Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

The reason we are struggling in the run is mostly we are cleaning up at that second level...when we do that we ball.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Joe Burrow is Tony Romo 2.0 but a bit more accurate. He's going to be really good

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1240569]Lets calm down here[/QUOTE]



I see no problem it’s getting excited about getting a generational talent like Chase Young. However, I see the Redskin’s choosing to trade down for a boatload of lower picks as being an equal chance as getting Young.

The draft when Sean Taylor was picked was a contentious one for Redskin’s fans. I argued for an Edge pass rusher versus a Safety at the time. But there was no arguing what a difference Sean made for the team when he arrived . He was a monster hitter that WR feared. A player with that much talent can make a huge improvement to the defense or offense. He made watching the defense an exciting event.

No draft pick is a lock. But getting Chase could raise the defense up single-handedly and make our DL a monster part of our team.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Can we not call college players generational talents until they are in the hall of fame?

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=Warthog;1240632]I see no problem it’s getting excited about getting a generational talent like Chase Young. However, I see the Redskin’s choosing to trade down for a boatload of lower picks as being an equal chance as getting Young.

The draft when Sean Taylor was picked was a contentious one for Redskin’s fans. I argued for an Edge pass rusher versus a Safety at the time. But there was no arguing what a difference Sean made for the team when he arrived . He was a monster hitter that WR feared. A player with that much talent can make a huge improvement to the defense or offense. He made watching the defense an exciting event.

No draft pick is a lock. But getting Chase could raise the defense up single-handedly and make our DL a monster part of our team.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

Exhibit A: 49ers and Bosa. He’s made a huge difference, they were the shits last year with pretty much the same players, they were so bad they got the 2nd overall pick. Sound familiar?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240633]Can we not call college players generational talents until they are in the hall of fame?

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I am fine calling people generational talents, just because they have the talent doesn't mean they will develop into a HOF

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240637]Exhibit A: 49ers and Bosa. He’s made a huge difference, they were the shits last year with pretty much the same players, they were so bad they got the 2nd overall pick. Sound familiar?[/quote]

They have a good defense coordinator in Saleh. If we draft Young, we better have a defense coordinator that knows how to utilize the players.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=GridIron26;1240643]They have a good defense coordinator in Saleh. If we draft Young, we better have a defense coordinator that knows how to utilize the players.[/quote]

I agree, that will also make a huge difference

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

I didnt watch a lot of college ball this year and when I did watch Ohio State to see Chase Young (the Penn State game) he wasnt jumping off my TV screen.

The last thing I want the Skins to do is spend another high pick on an DL/Edge player bc thats all we do - Murphy, P Smith, Anderson, Sweat plus Payne/Allen as IDL. 5 1st or 2nd R picks in the past 5 drafts, thats 50% of our high drafts go to the front DL which isnt bad but man, what are we going to do.

Resigning Allen (1 yr left plus 5th yr option), Payne (2 yrs plus option), Ioannidis (3 yrs left?) will have to happen in 2-3 years. 2nd over all pick (Chase Young) will probably be 6.5M year 1 cap hit with a 11M 4th year cap hit.

The one position we have invested heavily in and we still need help sacking the QB. This is going to be an expensive unit, if I had to pick where to spend heavily it would be the DL so thats good. Id much rather have a heavily invested DL vs WR or RB or even secondary ...

Im down with taking Chase Young but we need to allocate resources to the other units on this team after him. Need a LT, TE1, FS, coverage/WLB, legit CB2 (not waiting on Moraeu or Moreland or D Johnson = depth talent imo), WLB, G, WR2 ....

Draft Chase Young but then turn your attentions to the other units ... this team is getting unbalanced and our DL has been average to poor this year. 28th in run D and guys are healthy?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1240641]I am fine calling people generational talents, just because they have the talent doesn't mean they will develop into a HOF[/QUOTE]To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240657]To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I mostly agree with you CRed but I always took Chase Young talk as being a "generational talent" for an edge rusher and generation being a shorter maybe 7-10 year window which is the life span of a good NFL player.

But the Bosas were generational talents at end, Myles garrett ... yeah "generational talent" may be over used but if Young is in the same company as garrett and the Bosas ... ill take that.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240657]To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I agree that the term is overused

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=SunnySide;1240650]I didnt watch a lot of college ball this year and when I did watch Ohio State to see Chase Young (the Penn State game) he wasnt jumping off my TV screen.

The last thing I want the Skins to do is spend another high pick on an DL/Edge player bc thats all we do - Murphy, P Smith, Anderson, Sweat plus Payne/Allen as IDL. 5 1st or 2nd R picks in the past 5 drafts, thats 50% of our high drafts go to the front DL which isnt bad but man, what are we going to do.

Resigning Allen (1 yr left plus 5th yr option), Payne (2 yrs plus option), Ioannidis (3 yrs left?) will have to happen in 2-3 years. 2nd over all pick (Chase Young) will probably be 6.5M year 1 cap hit with a 11M 4th year cap hit.

The one position we have invested heavily in and we still need help sacking the QB. This is going to be an expensive unit, if I had to pick where to spend heavily it would be the DL so thats good. Id much rather have a heavily invested DL vs WR or RB or even secondary ...

Im down with taking Chase Young but we need to allocate resources to the other units on this team after him. Need a LT, TE1, FS, coverage/WLB, legit CB2 (not waiting on Moraeu or Moreland or D Johnson = depth talent imo), WLB, G, WR2 ....

Draft Chase Young but then turn your attentions to the other units ... this team is getting unbalanced and our DL has been average to poor this year. 28th in run D and guys are healthy?[/quote]

P. Smith left us and has 12 sacks with one game left to play. Like everyone else said we need a new DC badly, because a front of Ionnadis, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Young, and Anderson should rival one of the best in the league if coached properly.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240657]To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

[B]You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole. [/B]

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

No kidding, my favorite is trying to guess how many 100 year weather events we will have this winter.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1240662]P. Smith left us and has 12 sacks with one game left to play. Like everyone else said we need a new DC badly, because a front of Ionnadis, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Young, and Anderson should rival one of the best in the league if coached properly.[/quote]

Preston is also getting a good bit more snaps with GB. I wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt another games worth (50 snaps or so) if not 2 games worth more.

He had two 8 sack years with us. I liked Preston but I dont think he is worth the 4/52M, good thing is GB is really only on the hook for 2 years w only 16M guaranteed. He was worth it to GB who had that DE cupboard bare and it is working for all parties involved.

he is more valuable to GB then he was to us.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Smith also has a big time Egde rusher on the other side which he never had here

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

you have to take Chase Young, he's the most dominant player in this class.. I get there are bust every draft but u can't pass up his potential.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1240668]you have to take Chase Young, he's the most dominant player in this class.. I get there are bust every draft but u can't pass up his potential.[/quote]

Agreed - someone would have to make us an RG3-level trade offer for me to consider passing on him and trading down.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1240668]you have to take Chase Young, he's the most dominant player in this class.. I get there are bust every draft but u can't pass up his potential.[/QUOTE]



Chase Young isn’t doing much vs Clemson except trying to rip Trevor Lawrence’s head off after someone else’s sack. With our crappy player development and coaching, you gotta wonder if our D needs are as bad as we think they are. I ping pong on this, but at the moment I like trading down and adding a second rounder at OL, DB or LB. We’re in rebuild, we need bodies.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Maybe Chase returns to OSU after the loss. Who knows?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

He had multiple pressures last night, it's not always about sacks. He allowed others to make plays as well. There is no way he passes up #2 money for what? A chance to get hurt next yr?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

I know it won't happen (probably any of it), but if the Lions win their early game, we could beat the Cowboys if the Giants win their game against the Eagles and still have the 2nd pick, right? I mean, IF the Giants win and we were able to beat the Cowboys to keep them out of the playoffs while KEEPING the 2nd pick, it would be a perfect day. Would Miami have to win too though?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

I personally feel we need to trade down if we get the right deal. We can address a lot of needs if lets say Miami wanted to come up and get Tua.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1240811]I know it won't happen (probably any of it), but if the Lions win their early game, we could beat the Cowboys if the Giants win their game against the Eagles and still have the 2nd pick, right? I mean, IF the Giants win and we were able to beat the Cowboys to keep them out of the playoffs while KEEPING the 2nd pick, it would be a perfect day. Would Miami have to win too though?[/quote]

That's a lot of gymnastics to work through just so we can win and still claim the #2 pick. Would you really be happy with 4-12 if one of those wins came against the Cowboys?

We gotta focus on the bigger picture, take an L today and secure the #2 draft pick. At that point you either get the cream of the non-Joe Burrow crop, or you get to trade it for a bounty of picks to improve the team. Both of those are winning scenarios.

3-13 or 4-12, it doesn't matter to me. We had a terrible season, which will climax on Monday with major changes. We won't even care about the L to the Cowboys next week.

Time to give the 4th stringers some PT Callahan. I'll be happy if we make it a competitive game but still take an L at the end.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1240819]I personally feel we need to trade down if we get the right deal. We can address a lot of needs if lets say Miami wanted to come up and get Tua.[/quote]

Rumor has it the defense will switch to 4-3 making some players expendable in addition to TW and Kerrigan. We can get some picks by trading these players.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

We should have changed to a 4 - 3 years ago. I never though we had the proper players for a 3 - 4.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240823]Rumor has it the defense will switch to 4-3 making some players expendable in addition to TW and Kerrigan. We can get some picks by trading these players.[/quote]

What rumour is this...... do prospective HCs have a prfeerence for 4-3 alignment?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1240819]I personally feel we need to trade down if we get the right deal. We can address a lot of needs if lets say Miami wanted to come up and get Tua.[/quote]

This would seem to be the main/only chance of trading down given Miami's 3 1st rounders and that Tua is the only prospect work such a trade assuming he is fit and well... unless Cincinnati screws up the first pick.... that sort of haul would only be achieved if a franchise passer is available..... don't bet your house on a trade down

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1240828]This would seem to be the main/only chance of trading down given Miami's 3 1st rounders and that Tua is the only prospect work such a trade assuming he is fit and well... unless Cincinnati screws up the first pick.... that sort of haul would only be achieved if a franchise passer is available..... don't bet your house on a trade down[/quote]

If the Bengals don't take Burrows the Redskins should take him in a heartbeat and trade Haskins. This isn't a knock on Haskins but Burrows looks like the real deal...... In any case teh new coach and GM will have to decide if Haskins is the long term QB

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1240824]We should have changed to a 4 - 3 years ago. I never though we had the proper players for a 3 - 4.[/quote]

It's been 10 years and we've never had legit personnel for a 3-4. This move is long overdue.

I can't understand how a d-line of Ioannidis, Payne, and Allen has been so ineffective against the run. Does Manusky ask them to eat up blockers so the linebackers can make plays like a true 3-4? Are the linebackers not good enough? I'm not smart enough to figure out why we've never been able to make it work but it's been a decade+ since we had a good defense.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=VTSkins1961;1240834]If the Bengals don't take Burrows the Redskins should take him in a heartbeat and trade Haskins. This isn't a knock on Haskins but Burrows looks like the real deal...... In any case teh new coach and GM will have to decide if Haskins is the long term QB[/QUOTE]


Zero chance the Bengals pass on Burrow



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

If the Bengals pass on Burrow we will have a kings ransom for that pick

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1240811]I know it won't happen (probably any of it), but if the Lions win their early game, we could beat the Cowboys if the Giants win their game against the Eagles and still have the 2nd pick, right? I mean, IF the Giants win and we were able to beat the Cowboys to keep them out of the playoffs while KEEPING the 2nd pick, it would be a perfect day. Would Miami have to win too though?[/quote]

Dolphins won. Lions could too. Who gets the 2nd pick if we win and the Giants lose in that scenario?

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1240873]Dolphins won. Lions could too. Who gets the 2nd pick if we win and the Giants lose in that scenario?[/QUOTE]Giants by strength of schedule - theirs is weaker

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

We are not winning, none and I mean none of our safeties or CB’s are playing today. All SCABS!!

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240875]Giants by strength of schedule - theirs is weaker

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

Damn it. Keeping the Cowboys out of the playoffs would be SOOO MUCH FUN, especially with half the team out today. I don't want that to happen at the cost of the 2nd pick though.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Ehhh, Lions are choking this away anyways.

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1240879]Damn it. Keeping the Cowboys out of the playoffs would be SOOO MUCH FUN, especially with half the team out today. I don't want that to happen at the cost of the 2nd pick though.[/QUOTE]I was ok 2nd or 3rd (young or thomas) but i would rather not be 4th....

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240881]I was ok 2nd or 3rd (young or thomas) but i would rather not be 4th....

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]

Agreed. Young at 2 would be awesome but I can live with Thomas at 3-4, if his combine/comprehensive scouting show him to be the 5 star LT he is said to be

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

Oops wrong stat

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk