Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224583]He is under contract for 2 more years. He can't "leave." He ultimately has three choices:
1) Play and receive nearly 30 million dollars over the next two years.
2) Hold out and lose 30 million dollars over the next two years, and become a free agent in 2021 at 33 years old. He will never make back the money he missed.
3) Retire and lose 30 million over the next two years. The redskins hold his right forever, so he can never sign with another team.[/quote]

So is this a contract situation or a health injury situation ?

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[quote=Giantone;1224587]So is this a contract situation or a health injury situation ?[/quote]

There was only one "report" alleging it was completely about the medical situation with the tumor and he'd vowed to never play for the team again. But this came from a source that is not particularly credible. Within 24 hours, numerous credible sources refuted that report.

That said, we honestly don't know for sure because Trent hasn't spoken publicly, and even if he did, we couldn't trust him because players say all sorts of things when engaged in a holdout.

Based on the limited information we have, my guess is that the tumor on his head gave him a scare (as it would anyone). He realized life is short, he only has a few years left to make significant money, and he needs to make the most of it. He sees Oakland make a lesser player the highest played o-lineman in the league and he looks at the skins situation behind him. Nseke left for Buffalo. Geron Christian is still hurt. Erick Flowers looks horrible. Williams and his agent likely realized he will never have more leverage than he does now, so they decided to use it.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1224589]There was only one "report" alleging it was completely about the medical situation with the tumor and he'd vowed to never play for the team again. But this came from a source that is not particularly credible. Within 24 hours, numerous credible sources refuted that report.



That said, we honestly don't know for sure because Trent hasn't spoken publicly, and even if he did, we couldn't trust him because players say all sorts of things when engaged in a holdout.



Based on the limited information we have, my guess is that the tumor on his head gave him a scare (as it would anyone). He realized life is short, he only has a few years left to make significant money, and he needs to make the most of it. He sees Oakland make a lesser player the highest played o-lineman in the league and he looks at the skins situation behind him. Nseke left for Buffalo. Geron Christian is still hurt. Erick Flowers looks horrible. Williams and his agent likely realized he will never have more leverage than he does now, so they decided to use it.[/QUOTE]



Well, don’t worry. Bruce Allen “knows the truth”. He’s got everything under control.


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1224591]Well, don’t worry. Bruce Allen “knows the truth”. He’s got everything under control.


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When I heard that I thought 1 thing: horseshit.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1224586]If TW is wanting a new contract, and his agent has put out information to try and help him get a new contract, TW would be a complete idiot to "clear the air." What could he possibly have to gain by saying anything publically?



The thing some here are having a hard time remembering is that all these "reports" are ultimately meaningless. The only thing that matters is what's been said in the private conversations that TW and/or his agent have had with the team.



Neither side has anything to gain by making public statements. And while everyone is getting all worked up about this, we must remember that there is really nothing remarkable about the reports we've heard. Its the same kind of stuff that happens between dozens of players and their teams every year. There is no reason to be overly concerned until we get to maybe week 3 of the preseason.[/QUOTE]



Do you honestly believe he is making things up about our medical doctors and bluffing about leaving for a new contract? That happens all the time? What is the point of that? Players hold out for new contracts all the time without such charades. He is sick and tired of this idiot franchise and he aint never setting foot on a field in the B&G again....

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[quote=Chico23231;1224592]When I heard that I thought 1 thing: horseshit.[/quote]

Precisely

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=punch it in;1224594]Do you honestly believe he is making things up about our medical doctors and bluffing about leaving for a new contract? That happens all the time? What is the point of that? Players hold out for new contracts all the time without such charades. He is sick and tired of this idiot franchise and he aint never setting foot on a field in the B&G again....[/QUOTE]I would believe this if his decision was on principle only. But unfortunately for him that's not the case. His decision involves millions and millions of dollars and the quality of his life now and the future.

So this will be interesting how this pans out.


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[QUOTE=rickmmrr;1224600]I would believe this if his decision was on principle only. But unfortunately for him that's not the case. His decision involves millions and millions of dollars and the quality of his life now and the future.

So this will be interesting how this pans out.


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Nothing is going to be interesting, as we all know how this is going to end. Washington is going to grossly miss handle the entire situation, and Bruce Allen is going to fuck this up. We will be left with a scrub left tackle by opening day, while our rookie quarterback gets hammered from behind. Then Snyder will promote Allen again....

At some point you really do have to feel bad for Jay Gruden. He really can’t catch a break. He’s already lost foster for the year, and now the best player on the entire team probably


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1224601]Nothing is going to be interesting, as we all know how this is going to end. Washington is going to grossly miss handle the entire situation, and Bruce Allen is going to fuck this up. We will be left with a scrub left tackle by opening day, [B]while our rookie quarterback gets hammered from behind
[/B]
At some point you really do have to feel bad for Jay Gruden. He really can’t catch a break. He’s already lost foster for the year, and now the best player on the entire team probably


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Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=5superbowls3wins;1224591]Well, don’t worry. Bruce Allen “knows the truth”. He’s got everything under control.


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He knows more than we do because he talked to Trent directly about it. He also did not refute any of the "reports" out there and refrained from commenting on things. He actually handled that particular exchange very well.

This should be something that the team and Trent's agent work out directly and privately - not through the media.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=punch it in;1224594]Do you honestly believe he is making things up about our medical doctors and bluffing about leaving for a new contract? That happens all the time? What is the point of that? Players hold out for new contracts all the time without such charades. He is sick and tired of this idiot franchise and he aint never setting foot on a field in the B&G again....[/quote]

This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with our country today. Whether its sports, politics, social issues, celebrity news, etc. People receive a sliver of information from their preferred clearly biased media source, get all riled up over a distorted version of events, and dig in deep on one side or the other.

You claim Trent is upset with the medical staff, sick of this franchise, thinks its an "idiot" franchise, and is never going to wear a redskins uniform again...

The claims you are making don't from Trent. Some of them come from a report that has since been refuted. Others, you've made up yourself. You are obviously projecting your own issues with the team onto Trent, and its clearly distorting your ability to view to analyze the situation reasonably.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Things have quieted down a bunch, I'd imagine Bruce reached out to Trent or his agent, just assuming here but there hasn't been any other "trade demands"

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224604]This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with our country today. Whether its sports, politics, social issues, celebrity news, etc. People receive a sliver of information from their preferred clearly biased media source, get all riled up over a distorted version of events, and dig in deep on one side or the other.

You claim Trent is upset with the medical staff, sick of this franchise, thinks its an "idiot" franchise, and is never going to wear a redskins uniform again...

The claims you are making don't from Trent. Some of them come from a report that has since been refuted. Others, you've made up yourself. You are obviously projecting your own issues with the team onto Trent, and its clearly distorting your ability to view to analyze the situation reasonably.[/quote]

Thank you for posting this. A lot of us know the dysfunction of our team, but some people here are too quick to believe everything they read/hear from people whose job is to get fans riled up so they can get ratings/clicks.

When there are contract disputes and holdouts, there are always pieces of misinformation out there leaked by the player's agent and the team. It always happens, regardless of the team.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1224604]This post encapsulates everything that is wrong with our country today. Whether its sports, politics, social issues, celebrity news, etc. People receive a sliver of information from their preferred clearly biased media source, get all riled up over a distorted version of events, and dig in deep on one side or the other.



You claim Trent is upset with the medical staff, sick of this franchise, thinks its an "idiot" franchise, and is never going to wear a redskins uniform again...



The claims you are making don't from Trent. Some of them come from a report that has since been refuted. Others, you've made up yourself. You are obviously projecting your own issues with the team onto Trent, and its clearly distorting your ability to view to analyze the situation reasonably.[/QUOTE]



Slow your roll man. Lol. Really I doubt my post encapsulates everything wrong with the universe. Haha. I am simply pointing out that players hold out all the time without some over the top stories made up for leverage, which btw is what you said! So it is ok for you to sight his “alleged” words to back up your point but not mine? Ok.
Also, who has refuted anything? Last I checked a teammate had backed it up.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224606]Thank you for posting this. A lot of us know the dysfunction of our team, but some people here are too quick to believe everything they read/hear from people whose job is to get fans riled up so they can get ratings/clicks.



When there are contract disputes and holdouts, there are always pieces of misinformation out there leaked by the player's agent and the team. It always happens, regardless of the team.[/QUOTE]



Im simply stating my opinion. Which is that TW had a problem with our medical staff, and is unhappy with his contract, and I believe he will never play for us again. That he is done with this train wreck franchise and wants out. Is that actually out of the realm of possibilities? Im not the one making up conspiracy theories that he is using a medical misdiagnosis for leverage on a contract. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1224607]Slow your roll man. Lol. Really I doubt my post encapsulates everything wrong with the universe. Haha. I am simply pointing out that players hold out all the time without some over the top stories made up for leverage, which btw is what you said! So it is ok for you to sight his “alleged” words to back up your point but not mine? Ok.
Also, who has refuted anything? Last I checked a teammate had backed it up.[/quote]

Your post doesn't reflect everything wrong in the universe, but it does reflect what i see as one of the biggest problems in America as it relates to how people react to information. People quickly form concrete, extreme views based on little and/or biased information and then dig their heels in. Most of the time, their interpretation is based less on an objective analysis of the facts and rather whatever fits in best with their own personal beliefs and biases. Its so reactionary - and its not just in politics, although i think its a way of behaving that started in politics but has expanded to all facets of how we consume information. I made this comment in response to your post, not to single you out as doing something unusual or especially egregious - almost everyone does it, but i just thought it was an interesting, non-political, example of this behavior popping up somewhere i didn't expect it (but should have). So i do apologize if it came off personal. That was not my intent.

anyway, back to the redskins stuff - all the local beat reporters followed up on it with their sources and they said it wasn't true.

Moses made vague comments that indicated he was on TW's side and he was glad TW was taking a stand, but those comments could have applied to anything. You can infer from that whatever you want. But AP is one of TW's best friends on the team (they played together in college and TW pushed the team hard to recruit AP) and AP said that he talked with TW all the time and TW had never said anything like that report.

Further, i'm not siting any "alleged" words to back up one side or the other. I'm only saying that we can't make ANY conclusions at all from those alleged words.

Sure, i have my personal theory, but its just a theory and only based on the facts we know: 1) TW is holding out, 2) TWs contract appears below-market compared to when he signed it, 3) TW had a surgical procedure to remove a benign tumor from his scalp. 4) TW has immense leverage due to the teams other options at LT.

My theory could be write or wrong, but i'm not basing it on anything but the facts that we know. If new facts become available, i'll adjust my take on the situation. But i'm certainly not projecting my own angst with the team onto Trent and declaring that he thinks certain things when the man has not said one word to know what he thinks.

Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1224609]Your post doesn't reflect everything wrong in the universe, but it does reflect what i see as one of the biggest problems in America as it relates to how people react to information. People quickly form concrete, extreme views based on little and/or biased information and then dig their heels in. Most of the time, their interpretation is based less on an objective analysis of the facts and rather whatever fits in best with their own personal beliefs and biases. Its so reactionary - and its not just in politics, although i think its a way of behaving that started in politics but has expanded to all facets of how we consume information. I made this comment in response to your post, not to single you out as doing something unusual or especially egregious - almost everyone does it, but i just thought it was an interesting, non-political, example of this behavior popping up somewhere i didn't expect it (but should have). So i do apologize if it came off personal. That was not my intent.



anyway, back to the redskins stuff - all the local beat reporters followed up on it with their sources and they said it wasn't true.



Moses made vague comments that indicated he was on TW's side and he was glad TW was taking a stand, but those comments could have applied to anything. You can infer from that whatever you want. But AP is one of TW's best friends on the team (they played together in college and TW pushed the team hard to recruit AP) and AP said that he talked with TW all the time and TW had never said anything like that report.



Further, i'm not siting any "alleged" words to back up one side or the other. I'm only saying that we can't make ANY conclusions at all from those alleged words.



Sure, i have my personal theory, but its just a theory and only based on the facts we know: 1) TW is holding out, 2) TWs contract appears below-market compared to when he signed it, 3) TW had a surgical procedure to remove a benign tumor from his scalp. 4) TW has immense leverage due to the teams other options at LT.



My theory could be write or wrong, but i'm not basing it on anything but the facts that we know. If new facts become available, i'll adjust my take on the situation. But i'm certainly not projecting my own angst with the team onto Trent and declaring that he thinks certain things when the man has not said one word to know what he thinks.[/QUOTE]



My objective analysis of the situation is I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT BRUCE AND THIS IDIOT FRANCHISE PISSED OFF OUR BEST PLAYER TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN.
I think where we differ is imo Bruce being a numb nutz and this franchise being capable of fucking up a situation are facts and not opinions. Lol
If we were the Pats Id say hey pump the brakes. This cannot be true, But we are the Skins and Im basing my opinion on almost 30 years of track record, not one solitary article or tweet.

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[quote=punch it in;1224610]My objective analysis of the situation is I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT BRUCE AND THIS IDIOT FRANCHISE PISSED OFF OUR BEST PLAYER TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN.
[B]I think where we differ is imo Bruce being a numb nutz and this franchise being capable of fucking up a situation are facts and not opinions. Lol[/B]
If we were the Pats Id say hey pump the brakes. This cannot be true, But we are the Skins and Im basing my opinion on almost 30 years of track record, not one solitary article or tweet.[/quote]

It is pretty easy to err on the side of the Redskins powers to be screwed up, until proven otherwise, since Snyder has been owner.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1224611]It is pretty easy to err on the side of the Redskins powers to be screwed up, until proven otherwise, since Snyder has been owner.[/QUOTE]



Sad...but...oh so true

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1224611]It is pretty easy to err on the side of the Redskins powers to be screwed up, until proven otherwise, since Snyder has been owner.[/quote]

Yes, but there have also been plenty of bullshit stories put out there by some local and national media people who have a negative bias against the team and who live for these exaggerated stories.

I don't have a problem with people always thinking negatively about the team and front office, they (team/FO) have done very little to have any trust from the fanbase.

However, if you come in bitching and whining all the time because you are easily duped into believing some of these speculative stories in the media, well that shit gets old quickly.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224616]Yes, but there have also been plenty of bullshit stories put out there by some local and national media people who have a negative bias against the team and who live for these exaggerated stories.



I don't have a problem with people always thinking negatively about the team and front office, they (team/FO) have done very little to have any trust from the fanbase.



However, if you come in bitching and whining all the time because you are easily duped into believing some of these speculative stories in the media, well that shit gets old quickly.[/QUOTE]



So does defending Dick Snyder and the prince of darkness every time they get in their own way...[emoji849]

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Fans are tired of the bullshit....look at the local ratings and the empty stadium last year. The Trent story seems par for the course

Sorry the FO doesn't get a pass based on recent history. Its a clown show.

Also, past players dissatisfaction with the team doc and the way the team handled injuries is well documented....Keim has spoken about it being a concern. Also the team has been the most injured the last several years.

This is cumulative story at this point...the Trent situation just continues it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224618]Fans are tired of the bullshit....look at the local ratings and the empty stadium last year. The Trent story seems par for the course

Sorry the FO doesn't get a pass based on recent history. Its a clown show.

Also, past players dissatisfaction with the team doc and the way the team handled injuries is well documented....Keim has spoken about it being a concern. Also the team has been the most injured the last several years.

This is cumulative story at this point...the Trent situation just continues it.[/quote]

I never said that the FO should get a pass, I'm just tired of misinformed fans taking bullshit stories as the gospel in here.

Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224620]I never said that the FO should get a pass, I'm just tired of misinformed fans taking bullshit stories as the gospel in here.[/QUOTE]



Yeah because this team always comes out waving the redemption flag and smelling like roses. Hahaha. Where have you been for the last three decades dude?
Just stop with the fake news, nothing to see here bullshit. Where there is smoke there is always fire with this dumpster.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1224620]I never said that the FO should get a pass, I'm just tired of misinformed fans taking bullshit stories as the gospel in here.[/quote]


That's what you get when your GM/President only does national interviews(Combine, SB, Post Draft) and completely shuns the local press.
If Bruce isn't willing to deal with these issues head on, don't expect much leeway from the reporters that cover the team everyday.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1224620]I never said that the FO should get a pass, I'm just tired of misinformed fans taking bullshit stories as the gospel in here.[/quote]

its all good. I get it

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[quote=jamf;1224622]That's what you get when your GM/President only does national interviews(Combine, SB, Post Draft) and completely shuns the local press.
If Bruce isn't willing to deal with these issues head on, don't expect much leeway from the reporters that cover the team everyday.[/quote]

There are plenty of unbiased reporters in the local media:
- John Keim
- Michael Phillips,
- JP Findlay
- Craig Hoffman
- Tarik El-Bashir

You rarely hear these guys reporting a lot of the BS stories and often they are the ones that even tend to clarify or refute some of them. They also don't shy from criticizing the team, so they can't be accused from being yes-men.

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[quote=jamf;1224622]
If Bruce isn't willing to deal with these issues head on, don't expect much leeway from the reporters that cover the team everyday.[/quote]

What are you even talking about? Bruce DID deal with this issue head on.

Three days after the initial rumor came out, he spoke with a reputable, local, reporter - JP Finlay. He told JP Trent was a valuable player, that he'd talked with Trent directly about it, understood what Trent's concerns were, and that he'd keep the conversation confidential.

I will not defend any of Allen's bungling of dozens of situations, but he's handled this situation (at least publicly) in the correct way.

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Wow is the bar at an all time low for the Redskins FO, royally fuck with the football team as long as it is done internally.....

Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224624]There are plenty of unbiased reporters in the local media:

- John Keim

- Michael Phillips,

- JP Findlay

- Craig Hoffman

- Tarik El-Bashir



You rarely hear these guys reporting a lot of the BS stories and often they are the ones that even tend to clarify or refute some of them. They also don't shy from criticizing the team, so they can't be accused from being yes-men.[/QUOTE]



Keim, Phillips, and Bashir did an entire podcast about this exact issue lol, and did not refute any of it. They are all completely saying the same thing - Skins literally screwed with his brain, and he isn’t happy with his contract. They are hopeful he will be back but certainly not sure of it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1224529]sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.[/quote]

Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.

But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1224652]Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.



But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.[/QUOTE]



A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.

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[quote=punch it in;1224653]A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.[/quote]

Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1224665]Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?[/quote]

On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.

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[quote=Schneed10;1224670]On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. [B]Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10[/B].[/quote]

And keep your rookie, hopefully future franchise QB off the IR list.

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[quote=Schneed10;1224670]On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.[/quote]

Dense is a bit strong. Please read my statements a little more carefully. I was in agreement that Trent is a difference maker. My point is the team can succeed with a LT that is a notch or two below TWs skillset. I will remind you that the Eagles 'star LT' Jason Peters went on IR after 7 games in 2017 and did not play in the playoffs or Super Bowl that the Eagles won that season.

And we do not know if you have your 'Zeke/Saquon' yet. Guice coming back healthy and he can be a difference maker. I think he will beast it out. I am stoked about the RBs in the NFC East this season.....Saquon, Zeke, Guice.....rock on.

Holy shit. I am the Cowboys fan on this board and I am the only one with faith and hope for the Redskins? I need a drink.

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Dude...FFS, if you have been paying attention to the SKins the past couple seasons, most issues with the team concern the health and performance of the Oline. And now we are facing a crisis with the most important player of the of the line at the most important position, LT.

We need to get this solved and bring Trent back into the fold before camp starts.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224676]Dude...FFS, if you have been paying attention to the SKins the past couple seasons, most issues with the team concern the health and performance of the Oline. And now we are facing a crisis with the most important player of the of the line at the most important position, LT.

We need to get this solved and bring Trent back into the fold before camp starts.[/quote]

And one of the players who we've had health concerns with is.... wait for it...

Trent Williams.

He is 31 and has only been playing 75% of games lately. Due to the kind of injuries he's had and how often he's played hurt, John Clayton said on John Keim's podcast that he would probably have a shorter career than some other LTs. He's not a guy whose likely to be playing football in 5 years. He likely will be done in 2 or maybe 3. We have him under contract for 2 more years.

Its not like the team has done Trent wrong financially. When he signed his current contract, the team made him the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL. His contract is still among the top in the league. And again, he has not one, but two more years, on it. If Trent didn't want to play out that contract, he should have negotiated one with a shorter term.

Also, we don't need Trent "back in the fold" before training camp. He doesn't need the practice. His holdout will not extend into the regular season. This is really about the money and he won't want to miss the game checks. So this is not the "crisis" many are making it out to be.

The team may decided to restructure his current deal a bit to guarantee a little bit more of the money on it. Maybe give him an extra $500,000 bonus or something. But it would be downright foolish of them to give him any deal that would guarantee any new money beyond the next two years. All that would do is create a situation where we have a lot of money allocated to a player who will likely be missing more and more time as his health and performance declines.

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Per Trent's Social media, he is having a procedure today as well. [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D88gpSrWwAA-hb7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096[/IMG]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1224674]Dense is a bit strong. Please read my statements a little more carefully. I was in agreement that Trent is a difference maker. My point is the team can succeed with a LT that is a notch or two below TWs skillset. I will remind you that the Eagles 'star LT' Jason Peters went on IR after 7 games in 2017 and did not play in the playoffs or Super Bowl that the Eagles won that season.

And we do not know if you have your 'Zeke/Saquon' yet. Guice coming back healthy and he can be a difference maker. I think he will beast it out. I am stoked about the RBs in the NFC East this season.....Saquon, Zeke, Guice.....rock on.

Holy shit. [B]I am the Cowboys fan on this board and I am the only one with faith and hope for the Redskins?[/B] I need a drink.[/quote]

Because you're an idiot. Comparing this Redskins team to the 2017 Eagles is nothing short of asinine. The Eagles may have succeeded without Peters but THIS team will not succeed without Trent.

There's a massive difference in the rosters - they had two very good QBs and we're not sure we even have one. They had receiving threats all over the place (who stayed healthy) in Ertz, Jeffrey, Agholor, Trey Burton, etc, we have one proven one who can't stay healthy (Reed). It's a ridiculous comparison that makes you look like you watch football as often as my grandmother.