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[quote=SouperMeister;1179830]Case Keenum wouldn't be a bad Plan B if Cousins signs elsewhere. Keenum went after Josh Norman yesterday, making him look like a pretty ordinary CB.[/quote]

He also threw 2 HORRIBLE picks.

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Kirk is 3rd in the NFL in passing, that is really remarkable considering he lost his two best weapons and his star TE has missed all yr practically. Guy is playing with a young inexperienced WR group and a 33 YO TE that everyone considered to be done. OL hurt all year and no true running game.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1180792]Kirk is 3rd in the NFL in passing, that is really remarkable considering he lost his two best weapons and his star TE has missed all yr practically. Guy is playing with a young inexperienced WR group and a 33 YO TE that everyone considered to be done. OL hurt all year and no true running game.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]That really is crazy in a good way. I hope we get him signed before FA.

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He’s near the top of the league in basically every category. Stop the nonsense and get this guy signed pronto when the time comes.

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[quote=MTK;1180805]He’s near the top of the league in basically every category. Stop the nonsense and get this guy signed pronto when the time comes.[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;1180808]/end thread[/quote]

Where there's a will, there's a way. It's so obvious to everybody, except the people making the decision.

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[quote=MTK;1180805]He’s near the top of the league in basically every category. Stop the nonsense and get this guy signed pronto when the time comes.[/quote]

Yeah if we let him walk i really don't know how we could cheer for this team again.

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Stats are just numbers. They don't matter if they don't correspond to wins. We can be 4-6 with Colt.

JK, he was great Sunday, until Gruden decided to yell in an audible that wasn't an actual audible from the sideline. So damn stupid. We were already at the 35, even if we got stuffed we still could have had plenty of time to stop the clock. Rose has range from 52 easily. Gotta at least give him a chance at a GW.

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I would only bring back cousins if he doesn't try to break the bank. We should take a page from the patriots. when a player ties to make it about themselves and not the team they trade them for whatever they can get. There is no "I" in "team".....

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1180816]I would only bring back cousins if he doesn't try to break the bank. We should take a page from the patriots. when a player ties to make it about themselves and not the team they trade them for whatever they can get. There is no "I" in "team".....[/quote]

Yes, because the Patriots are the rule, not the exception. Look I agree with you that we shouldn't break the bank, but do you realize how much cap space we have? The money he has asked for isn't a whole lot more than what we're already paying him! We are literally giving him 24 million of our cap space this year, a long term deal will definitely not be much more than that. Look at the percentage of cap space we have open, it's definitely attainable. But for 2 years in a row they have tried to lowball him. If we do it again this year he walks.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34542/kirk-cousins-is-right-hes-playing-his-best-ball]Washington Redksins' Kirk Cousins is right: He's playing his best ball - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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If it doesnt crush our ability to sign other players in obvious areas of needs - Id be less upset about shelling out some $ - but I'm also weary of this from all the previous concerns I've been having lately, and also, the stat that ultimately means the most is Wins, and im afraid of ability to do this consistently, or in the post season, but hey i guess we'll see what happens and root the team on no matter what!

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I've waited until this season to be sold on KC... I think this season, he's even more impressive than last year (despite the losing record). All new receivers, no Reed, a patchwork o-line and a poor running game- and the dude is still killing it. Some of those passes he made against the Saints were absolute dimes under pressure.

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-fully-invested-in-taking-redskins-to-super-bowl-in-2018-or-beyond/?linkId=45046297[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180838][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kirk-cousins-fully-invested-in-taking-redskins-to-super-bowl-in-2018-or-beyond/?linkId=45046297[/url][/quote]

It's hard to not like Kirk Cousins. Even if he does move on from the Redskins, I'm always going to admire the guy. He's definitely one of the good guys in the league.

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DS and BA can go suck bag loads of d&$ks. There is really nothing more to say. Its dumb and dumber.

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[quote=punch it in;1180840]DS and BA can go suck bag loads of d&$ks. There is really nothing more to say. Its dumb and dumber.[/quote]

If we let KC walk for nothing I may be done, that could be the last straw

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1180816]I would only bring back cousins if he doesn't try to break the bank. We should take a page from the patriots. when a player ties to make it about themselves and not the team they trade them for whatever they can get. There is no "I" in "team".....[/quote]

We currently have 4.1M in extra cap space.

Next year we will have 56.5M in cap space. Only player needing re-signing is Zach Brown (3-6M) and Cousins (26M)

24M = roughly the amount of cap we would have to work with AFTER resigning Brown and Cousins.

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/[/url]

** numbers per overthecap

(very little dead money next year, culliver, paea, d jax, bruton etc come off the books)

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[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/kirk-cousins-9915/market-value/]Kirk Cousins Contract Details, Salary Cap Breakdowns, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac[/url]

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He’s going to hit $30m a year or very close

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Snyder and Allen need to come strong, like Cooley said the other day they need to present him with a deal where he would truly be a douche to not take it.

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[quote=mooby;1180817]Yes, because the Patriots are the rule, not the exception. Look I agree with you that we shouldn't break the bank, but do you realize how much cap space we have? The money he has asked for isn't a whole lot more than what we're already paying him! We are literally giving him 24 million of our cap space this year, a long term deal will definitely not be much more than that. Look at the percentage of cap space we have open, it's definitely attainable. But for 2 years in a row they have tried to lowball him. If we do it again this year he walks.[/quote]

Not saying they didn't low ball him and I'm also not blaming Cousins either for not resigning. Cousins is a little above average - not a superstar but can manage a game and not lose for you if he has the right pieces around him (and a healthy o-line). Reality is he should have been resigned when Scot wanted to resign him but Allen and Snyder didn't want to do it then. This mess is all on them. Now they need to make an fair offer he can't refuse and won't hinder the team from added pieces to achieve the goal we all want - Lombardi Trophy....

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A little about average?

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I'm asking Santa to get Bruce Allen fired for Christmas!!

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As an Eagles fan I would love the fools in the front office let KC walk, guy is a top 10 QB easy who’s shown the ability to move the ball regardless of who lines up with him. He may force some throws but more often than not he makes the play. Imagine what he’ll do with some more talent (and time to develop rapport) at WR.

Granted I don’t get to see every game but I don’t understand the reluctance by some in the fanbase to embrace the best QB the team has had in 2 decades (sry Jason Campbell fans).

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[QUOTE=Eagles1;1181182]As an Eagles fan I would love the fools in the front office let KC walk, guy is a top 10 QB easy who’s shown the ability to move the ball regardless of who lines up with him. He may force some throws but more often than not he makes the play. Imagine what he’ll do with some more talent (and time to develop rapport) at WR.

Granted I don’t get to see every game but I don’t understand the reluctance by some in the fanbase to embrace the best QB the team has had in 2 decades (sry Jason Campbell fans).[/QUOTE]Yeah they need to sign the man

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Look who's 1 and 2

1 Tom Brady NE QB 279 408 68.4 37.1 3,374 8.3 306.7 26 3 167 40.9 64T 46 9 24 111.7

2 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 249 376 66.2 34.2 3,038 8.1 276.2 19 6 145 38.6 74 45 8 31 101.1

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]National Football League Stats - by Player Category | NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1180846]He’s going to hit $30m a year or very close[/quote]

Agree, Cousins bet on himself and won.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34633/now-established-kirk-cousins-in-better-position-to-lead-depleted-redskins]Now established, Kirk Cousins in better position to lead Redskins - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Dude is a baller and I hope we have him for the next 8 years

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1181297]Look who's 1 and 2

1 Tom Brady NE QB 279 408 68.4 37.1 3,374 8.3 306.7 26 3 167 40.9 64T 46 9 24 111.7

2 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 249 376 66.2 34.2 3,038 8.1 276.2 19 6 145 38.6 74 45 8 31 101.1

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]National Football League Stats - by Player Category | NFL.com[/url][/quote]

And that is with literally NO number 1 WR or TE playing, and a rookie RB.

Unreal

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[quote=over the mountain;1180842]We currently have 4.1M in extra cap space.

Next year we will have 56.5M in cap space. Only player needing re-signing is Zach Brown (3-6M) and Cousins (26M)

24M = roughly the amount of cap we would have to work with AFTER resigning Brown and Cousins.

[url]https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/[/url]

** numbers per overthecap

(very little dead money next year, culliver, paea, d jax, bruton etc come off the books)[/quote]

That's a pretty optimistic view. Here's a list of the key guys who are not on the team in 2018:

- Cousins and Zach Brown, as you note
- Bashaud Breeland
- Shawn Lauvao
- Niles Paul
- Trent Murphy
- Will Compton and Mason Foster
- Junior Galette
- Spencer Long
- Ryan Grant
- Dustin Hopkins

Guys also not on the team in 2018. We won't miss these guys but it's still a body you have to replace.

- DeAngelo Hall
- Terrelle Pryor

You can argue that some on this list should be kept, others should be let go. But you can't argue that all should be let go. We'll use up most of our available cap space retaining many of our own guys on this list. And there aren't very many good candidates to cut and save some money. Su'a Cravens saves you $500K. Ziggy Hood saves you $1.2M. But you probably want to keep him.

We're looking at a draft-focused offseason. Maybe one significant free agent acquisition.

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Keep breeland, Foster, grant and Paul. Let everyone else go.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1181332]Keep breeland, Foster, grant and Paul. Let everyone else go.

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So you'd let Long and Lauvao walk, elevate Roullier to center, then who's your LG? You either have to acquire one or rely on a rookie.

If you keep Niles you bury Sprinkle as a gameday inactive until a TE gets hurt. As much as I like Niles it might be time to say goodbye.

If you let both Murph and Galette go then you've got Kerrigan, Preston Smith, and a bowl of D at OLB. I wouldn't do that, we'd be too thin. You'd have major needs at that spot.

And if you don't keep Hopkins I don't have a beef necessarily, but Rose isn't on the team either in 2018. You'd have to sign one of them. Or a different K. Can't get around filling that hole.

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Lauvao is a must walk...Long didn't play well this year but is the keeper of the 2. Ideally we would draft an Interior Oline within the first 3 rounds of the draft and let him compete to start at LG.

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I’d move Long to LG and start Roullier at C

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[quote=MTK;1181340]I’d move Long to LG and start Roullier at C[/quote]

I'd agree. You have a built-in depth option at the C position, Long slides to C quite confidently if something happens to Roullier.

We'll go into the offseason needing to acquire a guard for depth, but that's better than spending what it would take to resign Lauvao. You could do it with a G selected in the 5th round.

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nyschke(sp) in the saints game played really well at guard. but by doing that you lose a lot of your depth. roullier looked outstanding also, at center

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[quote=Schneed10;1181336]So you'd let Long and Lauvao walk, elevate Roullier to center, then who's your LG? You either have to acquire one or rely on a rookie.

If you keep Niles you bury Sprinkle as a gameday inactive until a TE gets hurt. As much as I like Niles it might be time to say goodbye.

If you let both Murph and Galette go then you've got Kerrigan, Preston Smith, and a bowl of D at OLB. I wouldn't do that, we'd be too thin. You'd have major needs at that spot.

And if you don't keep Hopkins I don't have a beef necessarily, but Rose isn't on the team either in 2018. You'd have to sign one of them. Or a different K. Can't get around filling that hole.[/quote]

Draft a LG or pick one up in FA.. Or even move TY

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Gotta love Kirk's big FU to Redskins management ( Bruce and Dan) regarding the condition of the field.

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An article came across my Yahoo sports app, or, The S, as I call it, stating how the Bruce Allen fucking up negotiations with Cousins narrative is simply going to continue. That Bruce put out a statement that the Redskins are really going to evaluate the last 5 games of the season to make a decision on Kirk. If I was Kirk I would tell this FO to fuck off. My opinion is they will transition tag him or w/.ever and try to get a pick out of the whole situation.