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[quote=mooby;1166195]Are you successfully repressing the Shanahan years? Bruce has been here since Vinny got fired in 2009, everything between then and McC has been Bruce's drafts. Who was responsible for RG3? Is that all Dan or does Bruce deserve some of that blame too? We know Mike and Kyle didn't want him.[/quote]

Shannahan had complete control of the draft while he was here, BA was in charge for 13' and 14' only

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It will be interesting to see what happens a few days from now when free agency starts. If there's a spending spree then we'll know we're back to doing things the old way.

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Old spending spree would be signing Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffrey to record contracts. You can be aggressive AND reasonable at the same time.

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[quote=hutch17;1166226]Shannahan had complete control of the draft while he was here, BA was in charge for 13' and 14' only[/quote]

Shanahan was still here for the 2013 draft that brought in Reed and Thompson. Allen has been in charge of one draft, 2014, using McCloughan's scouting service. I very much doubt he's capable of being a full time personnel guy

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[quote=skinsfan69;1166227]It will be interesting to see what happens a few days from now when free agency starts. If there's a spending spree then we'll know we're back to doing things the old way.[/quote]

Signing Tony Romo would be the most "old skool" way of doing business. We should just burn it down if we make the dumbest move of the offseason.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166230]Signing Tony Romo would be the most "old skool" way of doing business. We should just burn it down if we make the dumbest move of the offseason.[/quote]

They're not that stupid but I'm getting nervous now that SM is basically getting his nuts cut off. I mean I was listening to the Junkies this am and apparently Snyder was at the Senior Bowl with Bruce. Why would Snyder be at a Senior Bowl? He's such a wanna be ...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1166232]They're not that stupid but I'm getting nervous now that SM is basically getting his nuts cut off. I mean I was listening to the Junkies this am and apparently Snyder was at the Senior Bowl with Bruce. Why would Snyder be at a Senior Bowl? He's such a wanna be ...[/quote]

jesus...you know I think he sees Jerry having some success in Dallas and his ego just goes out of control.

discouraging to see him at the Senior Bowl.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2695694-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-missing-2017-nfl-combine-due-to-family-death]Redskins GM Scot McCloughan Missing 2017 NFL Combine Due to Family Death | Bleacher Report[/url]

Like really he that broken up about his 100 year old grandma that he miss out on the biggest part of his work year? This dude is drinking again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1166232]They're not that stupid but I'm getting nervous now that SM is basically getting his nuts cut off. I mean I was listening to the Junkies this am and apparently Snyder was at the Senior Bowl with Bruce. Why would Snyder be at a Senior Bowl? He's such a wanna be ...[/quote]

Not the first time he's gone and not the only owner to go. Several fly down for a day or so more for networking

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166244]Not the first time he's gone and not the only owner to go. Several fly down for a day or so more for networking[/quote]

Unless he told the scouts to go home so he can do their jobs I don't give a shit where DS goes.

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Shame on any of us for rushing to judgement....the man is allowed to have a personal life (and that means personal)

[U][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/m/fd3f0677-d7c2-33fb-8f6a-d8406b00eef4/ss_yellow-journalism-is-at-the.html]Yellow Journalism is at the heart of the inaccurate reporting around Scot McCloughan[/url][/U]

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[quote=Bangee7;1166397]Shame on any of us for rushing to judgement....the man is allowed to have a personal life (and that means personal)

[U][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/m/fd3f0677-d7c2-33fb-8f6a-d8406b00eef4/ss_yellow-journalism-is-at-the.html]Yellow Journalism is at the heart of the inaccurate reporting around Scot McCloughan[/url][/U][/quote]

Agreed, all traces back to Cooley's comments and it just blew up from there, not cool on many levels. And for the thought that the team should say something to dispel the rumors, the team or McCloughan don't owe anybody shit on this. If it's a personal matter it deserves to stay that way.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/03/03/chill-out-redskins-fans-this-scot-mccloughan-situation-is-perfectly-normal/?utm_term=.4489e46fd2c2[/url]

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[quote=Bangee7;1166397]Shame on any of us for rushing to judgement....the man is allowed to have a personal life (and that means personal)

[U][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/m/fd3f0677-d7c2-33fb-8f6a-d8406b00eef4/ss_yellow-journalism-is-at-the.html]Yellow Journalism is at the heart of the inaccurate reporting around Scot McCloughan[/url][/U][/quote]

What is this garbage? Written by a member of the Redskins Tweet Team? Yeah, no bias there. This junk is claiming things that were never actually reported by any actual media members. I get there are some thing that could have been handled better, but fuck this pathetic crap from this moron

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166412]What is this garbage? Written by a member of the Redskins Tweet Team? Yeah, no bias there. This junk is claiming things that were never actually reported by any actual media members. I get there are some thing that could have been handled better, but fuck this pathetic crap from this moron[/quote]

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

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[quote=MTK;1166404]Agreed, all traces back to Cooley's comments and it just blew up from there, not cool on many levels. And for the thought that the team should say something to dispel the rumors, the team or McCloughan don't owe anybody shit on this. If it's a personal matter it deserves to stay that way.[/quote]

They, including Scot, basically repratedly lied and said Scot would be at the combine

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1166413]Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.[/quote]

Just tired of it. My colleagues and I have not been doing this for our entire professional careers to get shit on because you (not you specifically) don't like the message. People have no idea how many sources are vetted and gone through over days, weeks, sometimes even months before stories are shared. How many times we use the term "personal matters" knowing full well what the specifics of it are, but we don't out of an understanding with the team. The media and pro sports teams have a mutually beneficial relationship and, speaking on behalf of the media side, we actually prefer when teams do well. The Redskins repeatedly fail to get this

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[quote=MTK;1166404]Agreed, all traces back to Cooley's comments and it just blew up from there, not cool on many levels. And for the thought that the team should say something to dispel the rumors, the team or McCloughan don't owe anybody shit on this. If it's a personal matter it deserves to stay that way.[/quote]

Problem is nobody seems to be telling the truth. If this is just about a funeral, what is there to hide? Why so secretive about something that is common knowledge? Is this a sort of coup in the making? Was
Cooley following orders or was he on to something?

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Things definitely could have been handled better all around.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166417]Just tired of it. My colleagues and I have not been doing this for our entire professional careers to get shit on because you (not you specifically) don't like the message. People have no idea how many sources are vetted and gone through over days, weeks, sometimes even months before stories are shared. How many times we use the term "personal matters" knowing full well what the specifics of it are, but we don't out of an understanding with the team. The media and pro sports teams have a mutually beneficial relationship and, speaking on behalf of the media side, we actually prefer when teams do well. The Redskins repeatedly fail to get this[/quote]


Just tell the god damn truth and whatever the situation is, it will be defused a lot quicker than lying or dragging the drama out. Right now, with the way it has been handled, it gives the impression
Cooley was right.

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[quote=MTK;1166419]Things definitely could have been handled better all around.[/quote]

Exactly. Matt, dragging what maybe nothing just makes for useless drama, and it gives credibility to
Cooley. Unfortunately ones now has to wonder if
Cooley is right.

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Whenever there is an opportunity to be professional, the Redskins usually pick the opposite. I don't care what the truth of the McLoughan absence is, it's the way they talk down to everyone with the information they hand out. It's just "cocktail chit chat", and a hundred other ways to act like they are actually ahead when it's clear they are behind. I knew that already, well if you did why didn't you say something.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1166422]Exactly. Matt, dragging what maybe nothing just makes for useless drama, and it gives credibility to
Cooley. Unfortunately ones now has to wonder if
Cooley is right.[/quote]

Cooley should have kept his mouth shut...u just can't do what he did. Just think, give me one positive outcome from his statement...there isn't one. completely dysfunctional, a redskin employee goes on the radio and says that. No good outcome, so Cooley actions were not right regardless

My immediate thought when Cooley said that...here we go again. Skins shooting themselves in the foot like always.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166448]Cooley should have kept his mouth shut...u just can't do what he did. Just think, give me one positive outcome from his statement...there isn't one. completely dysfunctional, a redskin employee goes on the radio and says that. No good outcome, so Cooley actions were not right regardless

My immediate thought when Cooley said that...here we go again. Skins shooting themselves in the foot like always.[/quote]

I agree, Cooley should have been suspended or given the boot. He started this, but what was his motive? The Redskins Organization is pathetic in terns of professionalism and just common sense.

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CC has not made his post-playing media career out of saying crazy things and making bs hot takes. He said what he said because he had reason to believe it was true based on either direct knowledge or enough contextual knowledge to put together pieces. At the absolute least he has a far better understanding of the people and dynamics of the situation and made an educated guess. Is there anyone who doesn't think SM is drying out at this point? Can't everyone just sort of accept that and move ? Why do we need to know the exact nature of his absence?

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Appearing on 106.7 The Fan in D.C., the Washington Post's Mike Jones referred to NFL Network's "report" of a three-way trade involving Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, and the 49ers as "fake."

Jones seems to believe Redskins president Bruce Allen used NFL Network's Ian Rapoport as a mouthpiece to spread the rumor as a misinformation tactic with the Redskins embroiled in front-office drama. Ultimately, the Redskins decided giving Jay Gruden a two-year extension would be better P.R. "Bruce was like, alright we gotta do something because my fake Ian Rapoport Redskins three-way trade thing didn't work to change the story." [B]Jones suggested the Redskins are now seen as so dysfunctional NFL agents are wary of their players signing with Washington because they're unaware of who's in charge. GM Scot McCloughan did not attend the Combine and is expected to be let go after April's draft. [/B]


just wow

more:


Appearing on 106.7 The Fan in D.C., the Washington Post's Mike Jones stated the Redskins and GM Scot McCloughan are "headed to a divorce."

Jones essentially stated that Jay Gruden's two-year extension was a P.R. move amid organizational chaos. "And that's the sad thing, because Scot is such a good dude," said Jones. "Loves football. Eats, drinks, sleeps it. You talk to guys who've worked with him in the league, and all he does is watch football and unfortunately drink. [B]There's frictions that are going on there between him and (team president) Bruce Allen ... some type of blowup. This thing is headed to a divorce.[/B]" Jones guessed McCloughan's exit will be made official after April's draft.

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Geez, what a disaster! If I'm Snyder, I think I let Allen go and keep McCloughan.

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Just a complete disaster 24/7...what in the hell is going on

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I'm not buying what Mike jones is selling. It just doesn't make any sense that Bruce Allen would make up a fake trade story and then sign his HC to an extension simply to cover up a feud with Scot M.

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Yeah, that's an expensive cover-up.

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Im buying it from Jones. Like to cross reference with the man, SS. Smoot, this sounding bout right?

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[quote=Chico23231;1166503]Im buying it from Jones. Like to cross reference with the man, SS. Smoot, this sounding bout right?[/quote]

What specifically?

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[quote=Chico23231;1166503]Im buying it from Jones. Like to cross reference with the man, SS. Smoot, this sounding bout right?[/quote]

I'm buying it too. Unfortunately, I totally believe the front office is in a very bad place.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but this is turning out to be worse than when Vinny Cerrato was here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166504]What specifically?[/quote]

The power struggle with McC vs Bruce......and that McC is gone after the draft?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166504]What specifically?[/quote]

Is Scot McCloughan getting fired?

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[quote=Chico23231;1166506]The power struggle with McC vs Bruce......and that McC is gone after the draft?[/quote]

Yeah most likely. Probably the only way he stays is if he just really wants to be part of an NFL team so badly he'll stay on the payroll at a minimized role. But it has not been good for a while. And the funeral excuse was a piss poor one

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Any rumors on who replaces Scot? Allen again? :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166508]Yeah most likely. Probably the only way he stays is if he just really wants to be part of an NFL team so badly he'll stay on the payroll at a minimized role. But it has not been good for a while. And the funeral excuse was a piss poor one[/quote]

thanks for the help.


:oink:

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1166509]Any rumors on who replaces Scot? Allen again? :([/quote]

Immediate future? Probably Doug Williams or Larry Michael ;)

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What a disaster! Complete and utter, disaster. When you make the Vinny Cerrato years look like the glory years, then you know you have a mess on your hands.