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Yeah as really just hope that he can find a way to stay with the team. If they let him go, it would really be a mistake if they did.

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[quote=Brody81;1164264]I'm with you snake. From the tone of Cooley and Kevin it seems SM and or Dan is not in love with Kirk, and is willing to part with him for the right price.

I'm 43 and a lifelong Skins fan, but if they trade Kirk that will be it for me. I refuse to continue to support an organization that gets it wrong every time. That let's there ego or their bottom line effect there decisions. I mean really, did Kirk find Scott's liquor stash and poor it down the sink?? Why can't they for once be happy with our own guy and not always be looking for the shiny new car i.e. (Brad Johnson, Trent Green, Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, on and on again..) When is enough finally going to be enough..


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I'm with you 100%. We've all endured countless horrors since Snyder has owned the team. Letting his franchise QB walk will be the nail in the coffin for me. As much as I love this team, you are right we can't continue to support stupidity and ineptitude. I'm actually looking forward to continue to root for Cousins wherever he lands.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164266]Are you aware that both Jay Gruden and Bruce Allen recently said they are certain that Kirk will be a Redskin next season? BA was asked to give a number on a scale of one to ten of the probability that Kirk would be back next season and he said "ten".[/quote]

One of our posters here said that may be really nothing more than "coach speak", intended to drive up Cousin's asking price in terms of the trade, enabling Washington to get more for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1164224]With access to the results, great play by Kirk and I loved it. But I saw that play live (yes I stayed up for the Pro Bowl) and when I saw Alexander make the pick Cousins was off the screen, and I was repeating over and over "Cousins get down, Cousins get down...".

Then he streaks into the screen to catch Talib from behind and my heart was in my throat.

He popped up just fine, thank God. Gutsy play and it embodies everything we love about Kirk. But MAN was that F'ing STUPID![/quote]

[B]Football Player[/B]

Ever since SM walked into Redskins Park he has preached nothing but acquiring [B]Football Players.[/B] His method, stated by SM himself, is draft well, develop your own and reward those who have grown with you.

Kirk is ALL of that and more. The Pro-Bowl play shows us just how badly he wants to win. Because at the end of the day he doesn't care what game it is, he's a [B]Football Player.[/B]

I'll be extremely upset if we let Cousins go, not because of his talent (which I think is only improving and will continue to do so), but because of his attitude and grit. He has the exact Identity we're trying to establish here.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1164280]One of our posters here said that may be really nothing more than "coach speak", intended to drive up Cousin's asking price in terms of the trade, enabling Washington to get more for him.[/QUOTE]


Or maybe it's the truth and we should trust the football guys to make good football decisions. I can't see SM or JG letting him go to start over basically searching for another Cousins.

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When you step back and just think about this situation, forgetting all the reports and rumors and speculations for a moment, can you see any way we dont keep Cousins? Are these guys that are supposed be professional football decision makers really so stupid they would let a guy who just had two seasons like he had leave? No way, he will be back on a long term deal unless someone offers us an insane deal in exchange

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[quote=sevier2;1164319][B]Football Player[/B]

Ever since SM walked into Redskins Park he has preached nothing but acquiring [B]Football Players.[/B] His method, stated by SM himself, is draft well, develop your own and reward those who have grown with you.

Kirk is ALL of that and more. The Pro-Bowl play shows us just how badly he wants to win. Because at the end of the day he doesn't care what game it is, he's a [B]Football Player.[/B]

I'll be extremely upset if we let Cousins go, not because of his talent (which I think is only improving and will continue to do so), but because of his attitude and grit. He has the exact Identity we're trying to establish here.[/quote]

Absolutely!!! Well said!

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[quote=MTK;1164327]Or maybe it's the truth and we should trust the football guys to make good football decisions. I can't see SM or JG letting him go to start over basically searching for another Cousins.[/quote]

Gruden would be cutting his own throat if he were to let KC go without a full out war. He basically hitched his cart to KC during the first preseason.

SM, he's not really tied to KC 100%, but I am pretty sure they both put their reputations out there to get RG3 gone.

And at this point everything said has been that BA and DS are out of the player picking carousel (as much as the money man and owner ever are).


The ONLY point I've heard made for them letting him walk is that (other than DS) none of our FO has ever spent the kind of money that will be needed before. There is a first time for everything.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1164341]Gruden would be cutting his own throat if he were to let KC go without a full out war. He basically hitched his cart to KC during the first preseason.

SM, he's not really tied to KC 100%, but I am pretty sure they both put their reputations out there to get RG3 gone.

And at this point everything said has been that BA and DS are out of the player picking carousel (as much as the money man and owner ever are).


The ONLY point I've heard made for them letting him walk is that (other than DS) none of our FO has ever spent the kind of money that will be needed before. There is a first time for everything.[/quote]

Yes, Cooley said as much - we do not have anyone on staff currently that has ever been part of a redskins team that has had to deal with a QB number this high. But like John Lynch said - right or wrong that's the going rate for a franchise QB

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I feel a little better about things after hearing BA and JG come out and say positive things about KC. Just still confused why they're not negotiating. The season has been over with for weeks and so far nothing. That makes no sense to me.

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Negotiations are almost always driven by deadlines. Simple as that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1164347]I feel a little better about things after hearing BA and JG come out and say positive things about KC. Just still confused why they're not negotiating. The season has been over with for weeks and so far nothing. That makes no sense to me.[/quote]

Preeeetty sure they can't negotiate until after the Super Bowl.

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[quote=mooby;1164361]Preeeetty sure they can't negotiate until after the Super Bowl.[/quote]

That's not true according to that ESPN Article on Cousins, called "Kirk Cousins has millions of reasons not to fear the franchise tag". They said that the skins have been free to re-negotiate with Cousins since the minute the regular season ended

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1164364]That's not true according to that ESPN Article on Cousins, called "Kirk Cousins has millions of reasons not to fear the franchise tag". They said that the skins have been free to re-negotiate with Cousins since the minute the regular season ended[/QUOTE]
Keim said that and there is no doubt he is one of the best, but I always remember the season ends after the Superbowl. Either way it likely will be around the deadline to tag him before a deal is done.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164280]One of our posters here said that may be really nothing more than "coach speak", intended to drive up Cousin's asking price in terms of the trade, enabling Washington to get more for him.[/quote]

Well, you have apparently gone full ShakySnake on this topic.

Let's compare our sources: My sources, the President of the Redskins and the Redskins Head Coach, say that it is a virtual certainty that Kirk will be with the team in 2017. Your source, one of our posters, says that what they said is just "coach speak". So you weigh the credibility of the sources and come to the conclusion that the Redskins might not re-sign Kirk, thus causing the sky to fall and forcing you to renounce your Redskins fandom forever.

Nice job of seeing right through those lying bastards at Redskins Park.

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The Skins will Sign Cousins..However when they do make him one of the highest paid QB's in the League and he struggles some and he has those moments with game on the line and does not get it done there will be pages and pages on these forums about what were the Skins thinking when they gave it all to this guy..Look I am pro Kirk however it is refreshing to see the Front office not jumping the gun and at least play out all options..This team is not a QB away from a Super Bowl team..period. in fact the Offense most likely won't have the talent next year than i did this year. Denver with a aging Peyton won super bowl last year in spite of Peyton because they had a stud team around them..Dallas was very good this year with a rookie QB but look at their OL and Running game and D. We need to sign Cousins BUT how much is to much and what is wrong with seeing what some desperate team may give up to get him..Are you guys saying you would turn down 3 number one picks for Cousins?? What would you Give him up for? i believe there is a team out there that might would do that .I would never trade him for one pick but 3 number ones...Yes I would .

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Other teams can't negotiate with Kirk Cousins right now, so there's really no rush. I'm sure the tires are being kicked right now in terms of contract negotiations, but you just won't hear much until the deadlines.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164373]Well, you have apparently gone full ShakySnake on this topic.

Let's compare our sources: My sources, the President of the Redskins and the Redskins Head Coach, say that it is a virtual certainty that Kirk will be with the team in 2017. Your source, one of our posters, says that what they said is just "coach speak". So you weigh the credibility of the sources and come to the conclusion that the Redskins might not re-sign Kirk, thus causing the sky to fall and forcing you to renounce your Redskins fandom forever.

Nice job of seeing right through those lying bastards at Redskins Park.[/quote]

Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164364]That's not true according to that ESPN Article on Cousins, called "Kirk Cousins has millions of reasons not to fear the franchise tag". They said that the skins have been free to re-negotiate with Cousins since the minute the regular season ended[/quote]

Because the only source I could find is an uncredible SB Nation article that says they can start negotiating after Jan 1st 2017 I will take your word for it.

But...

Counterpoint: How do you know they haven't been negotiating for a month already? I know it's hard but in this day and age it is possible to conduct negotiations in secret. Maybe they already came to a deal and are waiting until after the Super Bowl to announce it.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164411]Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....[/quote]

If you are right and Kirk Cousins walks, either in FA or trade, as highly unlikely as I think it is, I will kneel before your might and recognize your power as the soothsayer of Redskin country. (figuratively speaking).

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Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/charley-casserly-explains-why-he-would-take-joe-flacco-over-kirk-cousins?utm_content=buffer872b7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164411]Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

[B]So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? [/B]Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....[/quote]

Nope, you know that the messenger is always the one that gets the arrows! j/k

If they don't sign KC then there will be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this site, that I would offer this piece of advice - don't say I told you so, don't even think it, stick with the Hey it's the Redskins duh, line of commenting, at least for the first month. By draft time, you can start saying how you called it.

Just friendly advice from a guy with a quiver full of arrows! :duel:

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164279]I'm with you 100%. We've all endured countless horrors since Snyder has owned the team. Letting his franchise QB walk will be the nail in the coffin for me. As much as I love this team, you are right we can't continue to support stupidity and ineptitude. I'm actually looking forward to continue to root for Cousins wherever he lands.[/quote]

What if they let him walk and he ends up playing like Joe Flacco? (definitely not worth the money) Would you feel different then? Denver fans are loving the fact their GM didn't throw Houston kind of money at Brock Osweiler. Crazy thing is, they weren't too far off on the money that was offered. Needless to say, they dodged a bullet. Not saying this is the same case, but it's something needs to be thought about.

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I think the Joe Flacco numbers might be a bit inflated based on the Super Bowl win (and his play during the playoffs that year). If someone offered him that contract and we didn't match it, I'd still be pissed because it seems every single year someone gets some insane contract. After that, it suddenly becomes the status quo.

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Just let the chips fall where they will. Both sides of the debate have legit points. It is a gamble either way. Kirk could get a huge contract and play mediocre or great or he can walk and play either way. Major decisions are always a gamble.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1164428]Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/charley-casserly-explains-why-he-would-take-joe-flacco-over-kirk-cousins?utm_content=buffer872b7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

I definitely understand Casserly's point. I keep going back to certain points in a quarterback's career that defines his career from that point forward. Such as John Elway and "the drive". I believe that drive is what told the rest of the NFL that John Elway was something special.

But, one thing about Redskins quarterbacks, even dating back to the glory years, the quarterbacks were never anything special. I would probably include Joe Theismann with that. While I believe he was probably the closest to being a franchise quarterback, there were quarterbacks in the league who were a heck of a lot better than him. Yet, the Redskins still won Super Bowls.

I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great.

So, having said all of that. I don't believe Kirk Cousins is going to be anywhere close to a John Elway, Joe Montana, or a Tom Brady. I don't even know if we will ever feel he can be a true franchise quarterback. But, I think with a solid team built around him and a great defense, he brings enough to the table to make a good run toward the Super Bowl. Based on that, I would sign him.

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Cousins at the pro bowl talking about Matt Cavanaugh moving to OC

“I love the fact that we’re not starting over,” Cousins said. “We’ve learned a certain way of doing things for a couple of years now and with Coach Cav as the coordinator, we’ll be able to keep that rolling, as opposed to having to start all over with a brand new system and terminology and philosophy.”

Doesn't sound like hes moved on. They will get him back.

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[quote=metalskins;1164469]
I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great. [/quote]

The rules have changed a lot since 1991 in favor of the offensive passing game.

This puts a lot more emphasis on the QB position.

[url=http://www.docsports.com/current/super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks.html]Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks - List of Winning Quarterbacks for Each Super Bowl[/url]

Look at the list, good to great QBs usually play in superbowls.

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From Cousins today on how having a long term deal would help him:
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^ I can't think of any reason why the lack of a long-term contract would inhibit Kirk's freedom to lead. This quote doesn't make any sense to me. "Permission" ??? "Leash"??? What the heck is he talking about?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164548]^ I can't think of any reason why the lack of a long-term contract would inhibit Kirk's freedom to lead. This quote doesn't make any sense to me. "Permission" ??? "Leash"??? What the heck is he talking about?[/quote]

I think he is talking about quite literally playing with a "leash" attached meaning - "I'm playing for my next contract / job - i have to make every throw perfect. I have to score X amount of touchdowns, I have to have X amount of passing yards every game". Once they invest in him, he will get to experience the full spectrum and have his bad game here or there (like any NFL QB), and not have to worry about being benched or not getting re-signed or anything like that.

I think knowing he is only year to year probably weighs on him, even though he is making damn great money on his one year contracts.

Look at other teams in the league that have franchise QB's, even when they play bad, they have no real sense of worry unless its something horrible like Ryan Fitzpatrick and 6 INTs a game for every game or some shit. Eli Manning has had tons of 4 INT games but i bet he has never in the back of his mind thought 'Damn i might get cut if I do it again'. I think that's where Kirk is at with that quote.

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SS came by and dropped this nugget today when I asked him the chances of cousins getting a long term deal:

"I give it about a 45% chance at the moment. Scot and Jay are on the same page. Think others may need a little more convincing"

I don't know how to bring the post to this thread but it belongs here...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164549]I think he is talking about quite literally playing with a "leash" attached meaning - "I'm playing for my next contract / job - i have to make every throw perfect. I have to score X amount of touchdowns, I have to have X amount of passing yards every game". Once they invest in him, he will get to experience the full spectrum and have his bad game here or there (like any NFL QB), and not have to worry about being benched or not getting re-signed or anything like that.

I think knowing he is only year to year probably weighs on him, even though he is making damn great money on his one year contracts.

Look at other teams in the league that have franchise QB's, even when they play bad, they have no real sense of worry unless its something horrible like Ryan Fitzpatrick and 6 INTs a game for every game or some shit. Eli Manning has had tons of 4 INT games but i bet he has never in the back of his mind thought 'Damn i might get cut if I do it again'. I think that's where Kirk is at with that quote.[/quote]

Exactly!!!! No pressure on him or extra weight on his shoulders. He can just let it rip. Hopefully this won't lead him to regress a bit. He doesn't want to always have to look into the rear view mirror and can just concentrate on winning.

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[quote=Chico23231;1164550]SS came by and dropped this nugget today when I asked him the chances of cousins getting a long term deal:

"I give it about a 45% chance at the moment. Scot and Jay are on the same page. Think others may need a little more convincing"

I don't know how to bring the post to this thread but it belongs here...[/quote]

Love that Scot and Jay want him here, who's holding back? Allen? Stick to pants and picnics please. Snyder?? Say it aint so :(

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[quote=SirLK26;1164556]Love that Scot and Jay want him here, who's holding back? Allen? Stick to pants and picnics please. Snyder?? Say it aint so :([/quote]

I think it's Bruce...dude is useless

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Kirk-Cousins-on-his-future-I-want-to-be-where-Im-wanted-51061348]Kirk Cousins on his future: 'I want to be where I'm wanted'[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1164557]I think it's Bruce...dude is useless[/quote]

Smithers doesn't tell Mr. Burns how to run the business. It sounds like our worst fear could become reality if Monty himself has gone back to twisting the dials in the reactor control room.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1164557]I think it's Bruce...dude is useless[/QUOTE]



It's probably Little Danny. My guess is Kirk's jersey doesn't sell like a 1st round draft pick or high priced free agent. He probably feels he can't get a return on his investment. Or, he doesn't like Kirk because he won't hang out with him at the night clubs...



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[quote=SirLK26;1164556]Love that Scot and Jay want him here, who's holding back? Allen? Stick to pants and picnics please. Snyder?? Say it aint so :([/quote]

This is what i've said on the Cousins thing since the very beginning:

It's Snyder. It's been Snyder from day one. You guys can all believe that the team has turned the page and our FO works differently now, but it's the same old shit. It's a shame that a proud franchise like this is being held hostage by our completely inept owner. I have said it from the beginning, Snyder at the end of the day only cares about ticket sales and getting money. He has never been serious about getting a Lombardi, and how could he be as long as his games sellout and he is close to the top in Merchandise sales?

Why the F did he hire a general manger only for Snyder to be the one deciding everything behind the scenes? When Snyder lets Cousins go, the sky really will fall here at redskins park and everything will crumble. The disastrous seasons to come will remind you who has been the puppet master the entire time. Dan Snyder is playing fantasy football with human lives.

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We will be the only team in NFL history to let their starting QB go after having 2 consecutive seasons with over 4,000 passing yards. That's a fact, not an alternative fact, a real one.

Snyder has hated Cousins from day one because Cousins is a constant reminder of how Dan Snyder's personal pet project RG3 flamed out in the NFL. He is also a reminder of the superbowl winning coach that told Snyder flat out that you can't win with RG3 in the NFL, and who Snyder fired.

The redskins will draft another top QB so that Snyder can have his jersey sales again, but make no mistake, it will be someone that Snyder hand picks - Coaches and GM's be damned.

Why do we keep supporting this same old shit? As long as Snyder is here, we're not going to accomplish a damn thing. Time for folks to wake up