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Desean is really good. Does seem a tad overrated to me, but yeah, I'd take him here.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;969820]no, but put him at returner and run the endarounds that Banks does and I bet his numbers would go back up.

As for declining the last two years, one was a contract situation, then this year with injuries, and the state of the eagles in general, hard to fault Jackson alone.[/quote]

It's not just the raw number, it's the YPC and TDs and even the punt returns that you all are gushing over.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/careerstats]DeSean Jackson: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]


[B]Receiving:[/B]
2012- 15.6 average per catch
2011- 16.6 average per catch
2010- 22.5 average per catch

[B]Receiving TDs:[/B]
2012- 2
2011- 4
2010- 6
2009- 9


[B]Punt Return:[/B]
2012- -3.0 (this is a negative number, but he had one punt return this year)
2011- 6.7 average
2010- 11.6 average
2009- 15.2 average


Seems to me he checked out long ago.

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All the talk on Espn this morning is how great Luck is.RG3 needs to have a big game tonight for any chance at rookie of the year,IMO,plus we need to win
Theyre saying Luck has 5 4th qtr comebacks,blah blah blah.Not caring that much about his turnover ratio

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Quite possible we're seeing the Magic, Jordan, Bird era of QBs.

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[quote=NC_Skins;969823]It's not just the raw number, it's the YPC and TDs and even the punt returns that you all are gushing over.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/deseanjackson/1581/careerstats"]DeSean Jackson: Career Stats at NFL.com[/URL]


[B]Receiving:[/B]
2012- 15.6 average per catch
2011- 16.6 average per catch
2010- 22.5 average per catch

[B]Receiving TDs:[/B]
2012- 2
2011- 4
2010- 6
2009- 9


[B]Punt Return:[/B]
2012- -3.0 (this is a negative number, but he had one punt return this year)
2011- 6.7 average
2010- 11.6 average
2009- 15.2 average


Seems to me he checked out long ago.[/quote]

Anyone who knows anything about football would know Jackson is a good football player. I don't care about his stats, the guy can play. Is he a great player? No. Probably like a lot of players/coaches in Philly, he would benefit from a change of scenery.

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[quote=htownskinfan;969824]All the talk on Espn this morning is how great Luck is.RG3 needs to have a big game tonight for any chance at rookie of the year,IMO,plus we need to win
Theyre saying Luck has 5 4th qtr comebacks,blah blah blah.Not caring that much about his turnover ratio[/quote]

My question is how many of those turnovers were cause by a WR tipping the ball? The main thing is he overcame them somehow to have 5 4th quarter comebacks.

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I agree the D. Jax would be an upgrade over Banks - but that's just not setting the bar very high. I don't think he is an upgrade - for this offense - over Garcon, Morgan or Moss (Okay, maybe Moss - but do you think DJ would come here to be WR3/PR when plenty of other teams (Cleveland, SD, Jax, Seattle) would pay him to be a WR1/2?). We need blocking WR's in this offense and PG and JM fit the bill well. Throw in his injury history and I am just not impressed.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jackson is a good WR - not as good as he thinks he is and not worth what the Eagles paid him. I just don't see him being a good fit here for what they would have to pay him. Again, I think we have cheaper solid quality guys down the depth chart. We have to many other holes to pay him what he would want and to be our slot reciever/PR.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8704072/ed-reed-baltimore-ravens-says-powder-puff-football-making-nfl-worse]Ed Reed of Baltimore Ravens says 'powder puff' football making NFL worse - ESPN[/url]

The hit on Sydney Rice wasnt Powder Puff. But I understand where hes coming from.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;969829]My question is how many of those turnovers were cause by a WR tipping the ball? The main thing is he overcame them somehow to have 5 4th quarter comebacks.[/quote]

He may have a lot of turnovers, but he also has his team in the play-offs. Not denigrating RGIII in any way, my man-crush is full on. At the same time, Luck is no slouch and has been carrying the Colts in the same way RGIII has carried the Skins. A break here or there for either and the records of the two teams could easily be reversed.

Bottom line in this league and, particularly for QB's, is wins. Luck may turn the ball over occasionally, but he wins. Can't take that away from him.

I, for one, would love to see a regularly scheduled Luck v. Griffin Superbowl. Do that, and both make it to the HOF.

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As an aside, can you imagine RGIII with a defense comparable to Seattle's? We would be 12-0.

I deeply envy their PED taking CB's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;969828]Anyone who knows anything about football would know Jackson is a good football player. I don't care about his stats, the guy can play. Is he a great player? No. Probably like a lot of players/coaches in Philly, he would benefit from a change of scenery.[/quote]


He's good when he wants to be good. It's amazing to see how good players play when they want something. No way would I ever bring that guy here to this team. This is the type of player that Vinny Ceratto would go get. The guy who wanted to get paid, not the player who would do his best to be the best he could be. DeSean simply isn't that guy and the numbers show that. I mean, the guy quit on the team when he didn't get his contract. Got his contract, and still didn't do squat.

No thanks. I'll pass no matter how "good" he can be.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;969837]As an aside, can you imagine RGIII with a defense comparable to Seattle's? We would be 12-0.

I deeply envy their PED taking CB's.[/quote]

My Defensive wish list to Santa:

Chicago's Safeties
Seattle's Corners
Cleveland's DT's
Houston's DE's
Id Keep Skins LB's

Then lets roll.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;969830]I agree the D. Jax would be an upgrade over Banks - but that's just not setting the bar very high. I don't think he is an upgrade - for this offense - over Garcon, Morgan or Moss (Okay, maybe Moss - but do you think DJ would come here to be WR3/PR when plenty of other teams (Cleveland, SD, Jax, Seattle) would pay him to be a WR1/2?). We need blocking WR's in this offense and PG and JM fit the bill well. Throw in his injury history and I am just not impressed.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jackson is a good WR - not as good as he thinks he is and not worth what the Eagles paid him. I just don't see him being a good fit here for what they would have to pay him. Again, I think we have cheaper solid quality guys down the depth chart. We have to many other holes to pay him what he would want and to be our slot reciever/PR.[/quote]

Agreed. I certainly wasn't arguing that we ought to go all Vinny on him and sign him, just that he would do what Banks does, but better. I'm not big on bringing any eagle players in, not worth the stink.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;969735]Philadelphia is worse than they've been in 15 years. They may finish 4-12[/quote]

They're a lock for 3-13 on a 12-game losing streak.


I was at a 1-year old's birthday party with my kids this weekend and the Eagles fans were doing their stupid E-A-G-L-E-S chant and getting angry at everyone else (Ravens and Redskins fans). It's sad, yet so amusing this year.

C'mon, it was a baby party.

The excuse I got (in my face) when I shouted 31-6 as he was trash-taking the Ravens fan was "Well, the Redskins were so bad for so long they're bound to get lucky once".

Yeah. OK.

These two franchises are going to flip courses for a decade or so. The Eagles are going to be in complete dismantle and rebuild mode. The Skins will be perennial contenders.

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[quote=12thMan;969825]Quite possible we're seeing the Magic, Jordan, Bird era of QBs.[/quote]

No joke. It is a magical time for young QB's.

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[quote=htownskinfan;969824]All the talk on Espn this morning is how great Luck is.RG3 needs to have a big game tonight for any chance at rookie of the year,IMO,plus we need to win
Theyre saying Luck has 5 4th qtr comebacks,blah blah blah.Not caring that much about his turnover ratio[/quote]

I watched the Indy game yesterday. With all his pass attempts he's going have int's. My impression was they're putting a lot on his plate throwing it as much as they do. He threw a lot of bad balls as I would expect him to, but he also made a ton of plays too. I think he gets the nod for ROY because Indy was pathetic last year and now they're on track of a wild card.

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So apparently the Eagles have announced this morning Nick Foles will be the starter for the rest of the season

And let the 3-headed QB battle begin in New York!!!!!

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They're also fired another coach!

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eagles didn't beat the cowpokes, at least the beat the spread.

we're climbing up the beanstalk tonight!

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[quote=Monkeydad;969876]They're also fired another coach![/quote]

Really? Who?

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[quote=SmootSmack;969875]So apparently the Eagles have announced this morning Nick Foles will be the starter for the rest of the season

And let the 3-headed QB battle begin in New York!!!!![/quote]

So where does Michael Vick go next year? KC? Jacksonville? Oakland? Jets? Buffalo? Minnesota? Arizona?

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I didn't see the Jets yesterday but Sanchez threw 3 picks in 20 attempts? He REALLY needs a change of scenery.

I'd say vick could be in Buffalo or Minnesota. Apparently they are already getting past ponder up there. Knew that was coming, he was a bust from day 1

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[quote=skinsfan69;969888]I didn't see the Jets yesterday but Sanchez threw 3 picks in 20 attempts? He REALLY needs a change of scenery.[/quote]

Dallas would be a nice fit for him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;969883]Really? Who?[/quote]

Jim Washburn, DL coach.


But, you already knew that. There was a scrolling "Breaking News" with it on NFLN all morning.




I can't believe they're letting Reid suffer through Week 17 with this debacle.

12 game losing streak to end the year...it's happening.

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[quote=Monkeydad;969891]Jim Washburn, DL coach.


But, you already knew that. There was a scrolling "Breaking News" with it on NFLN all morning.




I can't believe they're letting Reid suffer through Week 17 with this debacle.

12 game losing streak to end the year...it's happening.[/quote]

Yeah, I did.

Thought you were talking about someone else in addition to Washburn

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[quote=skinsfan69;969888]I didn't see the Jets yesterday but Sanchez threw 3 picks in 20 attempts? He REALLY needs a change of scenery.[/quote]

Been paying attention to the other QBs we've been associated with the last couple years....Sanchise, Locker, Ponder...couldnt be happier we got RG3. Saw alot of struggling from that bunch yesterday.

Also got a chance to sit and watch Tannehill yesterday. Tannehill throws nice on the move, other than that still not impressed, seemed like he did in college, very average. Foles still looks better than him, like he did in college.

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[quote=Chico23231;969898]Been paying attention to the other QBs we've been associated with the last couple years....Sanchise, Locker, Ponder...couldnt be happier we got RG3. Saw alot of struggling from that bunch yesterday.

Also got a chance to sit and watch Tannehill yesterday. Tannehill throws nice on the move, other than that still not impressed, seemed like he did in college, very average. Foles still looks better than him, like he did in college.[/quote]

I watched him too. Saw him overthrow a WIDE OPEN Hartline who had the coverage beat and was in stride to catch the ball at the 5 on a deep pass. I said to myself, that would have been an easy TD for the Redskins.

No one can touch Griffin's accuracy on deep passes. Now, if his guys would just catch the ball every time...it's always right there on their hands.

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[quote=Monkeydad;969900]I watched him too. Saw him overthrow a WIDE OPEN Hartline who had the coverage beat and was in stride to catch the ball at the 5 on a deep pass. I said to myself, that would have been an easy TD for the Redskins.

No one can touch Griffin's accuracy on deep passes. Now, if his guys would just catch the ball every time...it's always right there on their hands.[/quote]

lol yep saw the same play. Easy throw, down the center of the field with no pressure on him and actually not too deep. RG3 had a similar throw to Moss for a td last giants game.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/washburn-undermined-castillo-called-him-juanita-in-front-of-players/]Jim Washburn called Juan Castillo “Juanita” in front of players | ProFootballTalk[/url]

wow, Reid let this type of sh*t go on? thats kinda funny.

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[quote=Chico23231;969898]Been paying attention to the other QBs we've been associated with the last couple years....Sanchise, Locker, Ponder...couldnt be happier we got RG3. Saw alot of struggling from that bunch yesterday.

Also got a chance to sit and watch Tannehill yesterday. Tannehill throws nice on the move, other than that still not impressed, seemed like he did in college, very average. Foles still looks better than him, like he did in college.[/quote]

I don't know either, but Foles had a "easy" 2point conversion pass that he just whiffed on. He could have thrown to 2 different wide open guys and just put it out of the reach of the back guy.

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[quote=Chico23231;969903][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/washburn-undermined-castillo-called-him-juanita-in-front-of-players/"]Jim Washburn called Juan Castillo “Juanita” in front of players | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

wow, Reid let this type of sh*t go on? thats kinda funny.[/quote]


And Castillo didn't jump on him? Maybe Jim was right! :D

They're the most entertaining mess.

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Regardless of how our season ends, I am enjoying the heck out of the hot mess that Philly has become. It seems as soon as Reid went out to try and assemble the "Dream Team", the wheels came off the bus.

For years, they had had success adding a piece or two but never overcommitting (Javon "The Freak" Kearse being the exception) - essentially, being the anti-Vinny's. Then, I think out of a little desperation by Reid, and in an attempt to retool post McNabb, they blow wads of cash for parts that don't quite fit together.

Reid probably should have "taken a break" after the McNabb trade and walked away a winner who set the team up for future success. Instead, he is looking desparate and not particularly like the "Stand up guy" on which he has built his reputation.

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[quote=Chico23231;969903][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/washburn-undermined-castillo-called-him-juanita-in-front-of-players/"]Jim Washburn called Juan Castillo “Juanita” in front of players | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

wow, Reid let this type of sh*t go on? thats kinda funny.[/quote]

lol...that's pretty funny stuff.

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I guess we now know why Haynesworth and Washburn got along, they're both A-holes!!

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so juanita gets canned before washburn, great message to the team

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I heard last night that Stallworth was returning to NE, but not totally sure

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[quote=JoeRedskin;969943]Regardless of how our season ends, I am enjoying the heck out of the hot mess that Philly has become. It seems as soon as Reid went out to try and assemble the "Dream Team", the wheels came off the bus.

For years, they had had success adding a piece or two but never overcommitting (Javon "The Freak" Kearse being the exception) - essentially, being the anti-Vinny's. Then, I think out of a little desperation by Reid, and in an attempt to retool post McNabb, they blow wads of cash for parts that don't quite fit together.

Reid probably should have "taken a break" after the McNabb trade and walked away a winner who set the team up for future success. Instead, he is looking desparate and not particularly like the "Stand up guy" on which he has built his reputation.[/quote]
Reid's had a bad couple of years in just about every way possible. I think he maybe should have taken a break to get his life and family back in order. They had it going on there for a while but getting Banner run out of town and then all the extracurricular stuff has them listing hard. They are the very definition of hot mess.

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[quote=FRPLG;970769]Reid's had a bad couple of years in just about every way possible. I think he maybe should have taken a break to get his life and family back in order. They had it going on there for a while but getting Banner run out of town and then all the extracurricular stuff has them listing hard. They are the very definition of hot mess.[/quote]

Reid was the best coach in the division for the first half of last decade. The Eagles were a very good team at that time. Since then they've drafted pretty well and still made playoff runs. I don't know what happened to them this year. Aging roster? Players just not executing? Bad coaching? Regardless I never thought I'd see what I'm seeing this year out of an Andy Reid coached team.

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how's this for truth:

[QUOTE]Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt

Starting to get sense that the Redskins/Giants/Cowboys/Bucs may be cursing the replacement refs in Seattle as much as Packers did.
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