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15 year olds, free sterilizations under Obamacare in Oregon....WITHOUT parental consent.

[url=http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamacare-mandate-sterilize-15-year-old-girls-free-without-parental-consent]Obamacare Mandate: Sterilize 15-Year-Old Girls for Free--Without Parental Consent | CNSNews.com[/url]

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It takes the.....FED to raise a child?

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What 15 year old would want to be sterilized? Really?

I could believe in an extreme case, like women (or girls) who are transgender and have no desire to have children.

But if I offered to chop your nuts off right now, I doubt you'd be jumping at the opportunity.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;932292]What 15 year old would want to be sterilized? Really?

I could believe in an extreme case, like women (or girls) who are transgender and have no desire to have children.

But if I offered to chop your nuts off right now, I doubt you'd be jumping at the opportunity.[/quote]


What? Didn't you know? That's the new hipster thing to do. Run down to your local clinic and get sterilized. All the cool kids are doing it! I imagine our deficit is going to really increase with all these hipsters. DAMN YOU KIDS!

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SS, you don't possibly think this is a bit of a strawman here?

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One of the first battles against the ObamaCare HHS Mandate, win for religious freedom...for now.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/27/catholic-business-owners-that-fought-off-obamacare-get-proclamation-from-denver/]Catholic business owners who beat back ObamaCare denied award from Denver | Fox News[/url]

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The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [b]YOU[/b] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [b]YOUR[/b] beliefs on other people.

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[quote=Daseal;934694]The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [B]YOU[/B] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [B]YOUR[/B] beliefs on other people.[/quote]Hold on here. It is no secret to anyone who seeks employment with a Catholic owned business, charity, hospital, etc. that you won't get contraception, abortion drugs or sterilization in a health plan. [B]YOU[/B] don't like it, don't work there. The business in the lawsuit is a private business and doesn't get any tax breaks from the fed.

Let's be real about this, contraceptives cost $ 30/mo. or less. If you as an employee [B]choose[/B] to work at a Catholic run organization, you make the choice to pay the $ 30 /mo.

This is a case of the federal gov't attempting to force/fine/coerce not just Catholic, but any business/hospital/charitable organization that holds religious beliefs that are counter to providing these services, to violate those beliefs. Whether you believe in contraception or not isn't the issue. The issue is; can the federal gov't force a business/charity/hospital to provide a service/product that is against a core belief. FYI, most Americans are on the side of a religious exemption.

To avoid this, Catholic organizations would need to employ and serve Catholics only....another deeply held religious belief that employment is available to all and service is to all.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;934824]Hold on here. It is no secret to anyone who seeks employment with a Catholic owned business, charity, hospital, etc. that you won't get contraception, abortion drugs or sterilization in a health plan. [B]YOU[/B] don't like it, don't work there. The business in the lawsuit is a private business and doesn't get any tax breaks from the fed.

.[/quote]

On this I will agree with SS. My wife teachs at a Catholic school.

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The first non-Catholic owned business joins the fight against the Obama Admin's assault on religious freedom....despite boycott threats from those who are so tolerant of others beliefs.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/growing-boycott-against-retail-chain-hobby-lobby-after-lawsuit-against-health/]Hobby shop chain faces backlash for stance against ObamaCare | Fox News[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;942736]The first non-Catholic owned business joins the fight against the Obama Admin's assault on religious freedom....despite boycott threats from those who are so tolerant of others beliefs.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/growing-boycott-against-retail-chain-hobby-lobby-after-lawsuit-against-health/"]Hobby shop chain faces backlash for stance against ObamaCare | Fox News[/URL][/quote]


So you think a" for profit"non religious busness can make the same argument as the Catholic church?

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[quote=Daseal;934694]The second a business tries to roadblock healthcare, I'd start dropping tax breaks/etc. If you're catholic/religious and don't believe in contreception, great. However, you don't have the right to push your views on other people. No one is forcing anyone to use contreception, but they want to make sure it is available to everyone that wants it. That is not stepping on anyones freedom or beliefs. If [B]YOU[/B] don't believe in it, than don't use it -- but don't force [B]YOUR[/B] beliefs on other people.[/quote]

But if you don't believe in it why would you want to pay for it? The person taking the job knows before hand the rules of working for the church.

While on the subject I have received several things from the Feds wanting me to fill out some paper work for this new Obama care. I'm not sure what they are looking for but for some reason I know its going to cost me money or someone their job.

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[quote=Giantone;942819]So you think a" for profit"non religious busness can make the same argument as the Catholic church?[/quote]We'll see. The Catholic for-profit business won in Colorado so far.

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[quote=firstdown;942823]But if you don't believe in it why would you want to pay for it? The person taking the job knows before hand the rules of working for the church.

While on the subject I have received several things from the Feds wanting me to fill out some paper work for this new Obama care. I'm not sure what they are looking for but for some reason I know its going to cost me money or someone their job.[/quote]you need to stop posting in the politcs section here, someone ratted you out to the ObamaCare police. I'll bet Microsoft and GE didn't get that paperwork. :silly:

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The Obama Care thread was closed so I'm posting this here. So I get a letter today from my Health Ins. provider saying they are going to cancel our policy because we did not fill out a form required by Obama Care. I had kept a copy of the form so I faxed it to them. What gets me is that they would actaully cancel my health ins for not fullfilling requirments for Obama Care. How the F&^K does that make sense? Isn't the goal to get people insured?

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No, the goal is for bleeding hearts to make sure that everyone gets insurance how Nancy Pelosi says they should get it.

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[quote=firstdown;961706]The Obama Care thread was closed so I'm posting this here. So I get a letter today from my Health Ins. provider saying they are going to cancel our policy because we did not fill out a form required by Obama Care. I had kept a copy of the form so I faxed it to them. What gets me is that they would actaully cancel my health ins for not fullfilling requirments for Obama Care. How the F&^K does that make sense? Isn't the goal to get people insured?[/quote]Sounds to me like the "Insurance Carrier" is inept,what makes you think Obama did it?

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[quote=Giantone;961851]Sounds to me like the "Insurance Carrier" is inept,what makes you think Obama did it?[/quote]

Because I was told it was a mandated that the form be filled out for them to insure me and in my case to keep my policy.

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[quote=firstdown;962157]Because I was told it was a mandated that the form be filled out for them to insure me and in my case to keep my policy.[/quote]

What was the form about? And has filling them out harmed your business and your existing policy? Or are you simply annoyed that you have fill out a form?

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[quote=firstdown;962157]Because I was told it was a mandated that the form be filled out for them to insure me and in my case to keep my policy.[/quote]


Mandated or Mandatory either way doesn't mean it's Obamas fault.All Insurance carriers demand paperwork filled out and if it's not ,yes you get dropped.That was going on before Obamacare and it will go on after.

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[quote=Giantone;962181]Mandated or Mandatory either way doesn't mean it's Obamas fault.All Insurance carriers demand paperwork filled out and if it's not ,yes you get dropped.That was going on before Obamacare and it will go on after.[/quote]

Your missing the point. The paper work is new and now required by the federal gov. to comply with Obam Care. If I don't fill out the paper work they cancel my insurance and isn't the purpose of Obama Care to get more people insured?

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[quote=firstdown;962185]Your missing the point. The paper work is new and now required by the federal gov. to comply with Obam Care. If I don't fill out the paper work they cancel my insurance and isn't the purpose of Obama Care to get more people insured?[/quote]

The point I'm trying to make is no matter what your insurance there is paper work ,be it goverment or whoever,and it must be filled out or you get dropped.

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More costs of Obamacare, approx. $ 8-12M / yr. annually in the City of VB alone. Property taxes either go up or City services go down. This is happening throughout the country. So much for no tax increases on anyone making under $ 250K.

Enjoy, this is what the majority voted for.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/projected-46m-deficit-slight-relief-beach-leaders"]Projected $46M deficit is slight relief to Beach leaders | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;965990]More costs of Obamacare, approx. $ 8-12M / yr. annually in the City of VB alone. Property taxes either go up or City services go down. This is happening throughout the country. So much for no tax increases on anyone making under $ 250K.

Enjoy, this is what the majority voted for.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/projected-46m-deficit-slight-relief-beach-leaders"]Projected $46M deficit is slight relief to Beach leaders | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL][/quote]


....and the crying continues.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;965990]More costs of Obamacare, approx. $ 8-12M / yr. annually in the City of VB alone. Property taxes either go up or City services go down. This is happening throughout the country. So much for no tax increases on anyone making under $ 250K.

Enjoy, this is what the majority voted for.

[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/2012/11/projected-46m-deficit-slight-relief-beach-leaders"]Projected $46M deficit is slight relief to Beach leaders | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL][/quote]

or they decide to stop spending to go after a pro NBA team or they stop paying for study after stupy for light rail. While I agree Obama care will hit everyones pockets the city is setting it up like its everyones fault but theirs when its running a deficit.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;961738]No, the goal is for bleeding hearts to make sure that everyone gets insurance how Nancy Pelosi says they should get it.[/quote]


I got mine. **** everybody else.



GOP should adopt this motto. Would suit them well.

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[quote=firstdown;966007]or they decide to stop spending to go after a pro NBA team or they stop paying for study after stupy for light rail. While I agree Obama care will hit everyones pockets the city is setting it up like its everyones fault but theirs when its running a deficit.[/quote]I'll be the last one to defend the NBA team debacle, and I voted against the Light Rail boondoggle. I'm pretty sure VB has to have a balanced budget by law.

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Wonkbook: Some very good news for Obamacare



[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/24/wonkbook-some-very-good-news-for-obamacare/?tid=socialss]Wonkbook: Some very good news for Obamacare[/url]
Obamacare got some very good news on Thursday.
In 2009, the Congressional Budget Office predicted that a medium-level “silver” plan — which covers 70 percent of a beneficiary’s expected health costs — on the California health exchange would cost $5,200 annually. More recently, a report from the consulting firm Milliman predicted it would carry a $450 monthly premium. Yesterday, we got the real numbers. And they’re lower than anyone thought.
As always, Sarah Kliff has [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/23/california-obamacare-premiums-no-rate-shock-here/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein"][COLOR=#0066cc]the details[/COLOR][/URL]. The California exchange will have 13 insurance options, and the heavy competition appears to be driving down prices. The most affordable silver-level plan is charging $276-a-month. The second-most affordable plan is charging $294. And all this is before subsidies. Someone making twice the poverty line, say, will only pay $104-a-month.
Sparer plans are even cheaper. A young person buying the cheapest “bronze”-level plan will pay $172 — and that, again, is before any subsidies.
California is a particularly important test for Obamacare. It’s not just the largest state in the nation. It’s also one of the states most committed to implementing Obamacare effectively. Under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger — remember how that really happened? — California was the first state to begin building its insurance exchanges. The state’s outreach efforts are unparalleled. Its insurance regulators are working hard to bring in good plans and make sure they’re playing fair. If California can’t make the law work, perhaps no one can. But if California can make the law work, it shows that others can, too.
And perhaps others will. We’re beginning to see competition drive down proposed rates in some exchanges around the country. Remember Maryland, where CareFirst [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/25/wonkbook-ready-for-obamacare-rashomon/"][COLOR=#0066cc]grabbed headlines[/COLOR][/URL] with a shocking 25 percent proposed increase in rates? More plans have streamed in with lower bids. Kaiser Permanente, for instance, is only increasing its rates next year by 4.3 percent — a modest increase that will make CareFirst’s proposal almost impossible to sustain. My guess is when the exchange actually opens in October, CareFirst will have dropped its price substantially. If they don’t, then Kaiser and others will grab all the market share.

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More Good News on the Health Care Mandate.

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/05/2101831/thanks-to-obamacare-major-insurers-have-to-give-back-36-million-to-california-small-businesses/?mobile=nc]Thanks To Obamacare, Major Insurers Have To Give Back $36 Million To California Small Businesses | ThinkProgress[/url]

"On Tuesday, Golden State small businesses and their employees got some great news: two of the state’s largest insurers will have to give them over $36 million in insurance rebates because of an Obamacare consumer protection.

[I]The health law forces insurers to spend at least 80 percent of the premiums they charge on paying for actual medical services, rather than administrative overhead or profits.[/I] That means more money for ordinary consumers — and less for profitable insurance companies.

The so-called “80/20 rule” put $1.5 billion back into Americans’ pockets in 2011 alone. The average rebate was $151 per family across all insurance markets, and in states where insurers blatantly gouged prices, average rebates topped a whopping $500 per family.

Now, the benefits for Californians with small business health plans are beginning to materialize. Blue Shield of California will be forced to pay back $24.5 million in rebates. Anthem Blue Cross will have to pay back another $12 million.

While cheering the latest numbers as a victory for California small businesses and their employees, consumer advocates argue that the insurance industry should try harder to proactively lower costs for companies and individuals.

“Health insurers should work to cut upfront premiums rather than reimburse consumers afterward,” said Jon Fox, consumer advocate at the California Public Interest Research Group Education Fund, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. “Millions of dollars in rebates are a clear sign that health insurers are overcharging consumers.” "