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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904126]I don't see how you can look at pre-draft Luck vs. Newton and say Newton is superior but to each his own. I will say I think RG3 vs "Killa" Cam will be a next generation QB rivalry a la Manning vs Brady.[/quote]

Sky is the limit for CAM, he's one of the most talented QBs thats ever came around, as for RGIII vs Luck? I think both are going to be good to great for years to come

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Sky's the limit for Cam, Luck, and Griffin.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904126]I don't see how you can look at pre-draft Luck vs. Newton and say Newton is superior but to each his own.[/quote]Likewise.
Elite arm talent, velocity, deep ball, throwing motion.
Elite size, build, durability, athleticism, speed, playmaking.
Leadership, charisma, work ethic, coachability.

Question:
Do you think Luck is gonna have as good a rookie year as Newton?

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[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/ranking-the-2012-free-agents-offensive-tackles/]Ranking the 2012 Free Agents: Offensive Tackles | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]
[QUOTE]Ranking the 2012 Free Agents: Offensive Tackles

2) Demetrius Bell, Buffalo Bills

Age as of 1st September, 2012: 28

2011 Grade: +6.8

Key Stat: Allowed pressure only once every 28 pass plays in 2011, up from 13.6 in 2010.

Behind the Number: Playing under a restricted free agent tag in 2011, Bell looked to be putting together the classic “contract season” performance until it was curtailed by injury. To his credit, Bell didn’t slip into poor performances of the past in a three-game stint at the end of the season, but is 401 snaps of true quality enough for a team to invest in him long term? Bell was Jason Peters’ replacement after he bolted for Philadelphia, but he was slow to repay the Bills’ faith in him. He has taken large strides since his first season as a starter in 2009 drastically reducing his pressures allowed and penalties conceded through 2010 and 2011. Another big stride in 2012 would see Bell join the league’s Top 10 left tackles. If multiple teams see that as a real possibility Bell’s market value could rise when free agency opens.[/QUOTE]
Please, please, please.....

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[QUOTE=30gut;904136]Likewise.

Elite arm talent, velocity, deep ball, throwing motion.

Elite size, build, durability, athleticism, speed, playmaking.

Leadership, charisma, work ethic, coachability.



Question:

Do you think Luck is gonna have as good a rookie year as Newton?[/QUOTE]



No. Cam's rookie season stats wise was nothing short of a virtuoso performance. I can only compare it to the way Big Ben hit the scene. I think Griffin will have the better rookie season but the three of these guys will be NFL faces for their careers. My predictions for rookie seasons:

Luck 3,300 yards 20 TDs 14 Ints 3 rush TDs (5-11)
Griffin 3,500 yards 20 TDs 12 Ints 7 rush TDs (9-7)

Griffin, as with Newton will have the better supporting cast but neither will hit Newton's 4,000 rookie record.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904138]No. Cam's rookie season stats wise was nothing short of a virtuoso performance. I can only compare it to the way Big Ben hit the scene. I think Griffin will have the better rookie season but the three of these guys will be NFL faces for their careers. My predictions for rookie seasons:

Luck 3,300 yards 20 TDs 14 Ints 3 rush TDs (5-11)
Griffin 3,500 yards 20 TDs 12 Ints 7 rush TDs (9-7)

Griffin, as with Newton will have the better supporting cast but neither will hit Newton's 4,000 rookie record.[/quote]

Luck doesn't throw INT's, i say less than 10 interceptions.

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^ He's a rookie. He'll throw 10. Hell he threw 10 interceptions THIS year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;904139]Luck doesn't throw INT's, i say less than 10 interceptions.[/quote]


Actually I think Luck will have around 15 Td passes and 12 Ints or so.. I can see RG3 at around 25 Total Td's because he can run for 5-7 or maybe more.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;904120]Although I have my preference for Robert Griffin III, I'm with you. I wouldn't mind drafting Andrew Luck either. I saw both of these young men play last year and they both were the best in the nation playing the quarterback position. Jim Irsay has a decision to make. If he opts to take RG3 then I'll be disappointed, but I'll also be very elated for the Redskins to land the young quarterback out of Stanford.[/quote]

Seriously. Why is this even a discussion? If by chance the Colts somehow magically decide to take RG3, we should be ECSTATIC. Most of us have been DYING to get Luck for the past 2 years, and now he's our second option and a let-down? We should feel comfortable with either in our system, and rest assured we have landed a top caliber prospect at QB.

Seems that ppl have fallen in love with the idea of RG3, partly because RG3's personality seems more magnetic. He's such a marketable prospect that would light up the big stage of Washington DC with his socks alone.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904142]^ He's a rookie. He'll throw 10. Hell he threw 10 interceptions THIS year.[/quote]

He's not your typical rookie, neither is Griffin who also has a low INT ratio.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;904142]^ He's a rookie. He'll throw 10. Hell he threw 10 interceptions THIS year.[/quote]

Both Griffin and Luck are no longer facing NCAA defenses. They are ready to step into the NFL where defenses are much more advanced and where defensive players are much more elite. Both of them will have their fair share of INTs. If Luck threw only 10 at Stanford last year, then he'll toss at least 15 picks as a rookie this year. RG3 only threw six picks last year at Baylor. But look for that number to climb to 12 to 14 in his rookie season. Both of these quarterbacks did an excellent job of protecting the football on the collegiate level last year. But the NFL is not the collegiate level.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;904146]He's not your typical rookie, neither is Griffin who also has a low INT ratio.[/QUOTE]




True but for either of them to come in and throw 20TDs and lets say 6 Ints would be some magical stuff.

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As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;904161]As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.[/QUOTE]

Sam has the same problem in stl so let's see if luck is really that much better

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[quote=skinsfaninok;904164]Sam has the same problem in stl so let's see if luck is really that much better[/quote]

Yeah but at least Bradford had Stephen Jackson in St. Louis. Granted that he wasn't in his prime, but he is much better than any RB currently in the Colts roster. I'll be curious to see how Bradford does if he gets a #1 WR.

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[quote=Ruhskins;904161]As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.[/quote]

It sounds like Luck, if drafted by Indianapolis, will be in the same no win situation that Colt McCoy has been facing the past few years. It's a good thing that the Colts have a chance to rebuild their roster through the draft and take advantage of the fact that they can select a promising prospect early in every round of the draft. Maybe Luck can manage Sam Bradford's 7-9 rookie record.

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[quote=30gut;904076]My point was never that Griffin should be taken over Luck that was the point you were arguing against.
My argument is that its a legitimate question.

And taking a pot shot at Gil Brandt's credibility? Tisk, tisk.
The man has forgotten more about football then most scouts/GMs out there he's one of the more universally respected people in scouting.

Re: Dungy being a defensive coach
I think were above being argumentative?
But, Dungy having actually played college QB himself and coaching Peyton Manning and being a former DC that actually games plan against these QBs has to count more in his favor then against it.[/quote]

I didn't take a shot at Brandt's credibility, I basically said if he had outright declared RG3 the number 1 QB prospect after a workout which took place the day before Luck's it would have undermined his credibility. But he didn't do that which leaves his credibility in tact.

As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.

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[quote=Ruhskins;904161]As talented as Luck is, he has no talent whatsoever around him...except maybe Reggie Wayne. The Colts have no running game, their o-line stinks, and so does their defense. It will be interesting to see what he is able to do with such a meh roster.[/quote]
I don't know about Luck have no talent whatsover.
They've got Wayne, Collie and Donald Brown.
Their pass protection is decent they gave up fewer sacks and Football Outsider rates them 18th in pass protection rating which is middle of the pack.
I agree that their OL doesn't run block very well but then again they also didn't run the ball very much.
I think their offense suffered greatly from having Curtis Painter under center for the bulk of the season.
Dan Orlovsky isn't anyone to write home about, but there offense looked much better with Dan under center then Painter.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;904354]As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.[/quote]That Dungy doesn't know anything about QBs! ;)

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[url=http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-polk-jr-is-at-it-again.html]IT IS WHAT IT IS...........: Mike Polk Jr. Is At It Again!!!![/url]

He's back.

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Loved our second week of free agency. We did: absolutely nothing except prep for the draft and re-open negotiations with Fletcher.

And that's a move in the right direction. No Meriweather or Cedric Griffin signings this week.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;904740][url=http://walkingdeadmanblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-polk-jr-is-at-it-again.html]IT IS WHAT IT IS...........: Mike Polk Jr. Is At It Again!!!![/url]

He's back.[/quote]

he is a classic. good stuff.

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[quote=GTripp0012;904794]Loved our second week of free agency. We did: absolutely nothing except prep for the draft and re-open negotiations with Fletcher.

And that's a move in the right direction. No Meriweather or Cedric Griffin signings this week.[/quote]

care to elaborate?

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Anyone see where the Browns are possibly going to take Tannehill @ #4 now? ESPN also put up a statistic on QB's taken in the first round in the last 15 years with highest number of INT's........

Rex Grossman @15, Tim Couch @ 15, Patrick Ramsey @ 13, JP lossman @14 and Matty Ryan @ 19.

Kinda, sad that we had two of the QB's on that list and the Browns had the other. The rest of the league did ok.......lol

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[quote=Gtothearry;905297]Anyone see where the Browns are possibly going to take Tannehill @ #4 now? ESPN also put up a statistic on QB's taken in the first round in the last 15 years with highest number of INT's........

Rex Grossman @15, Tim Couch @ 15, Patrick Ramsey @ 13, JP lossman @14 and Matty Ryan @ 19.

Kinda, sad that we had two of the QB's on that list and the Browns had the other. The rest of the league did ok.......lol[/quote]

I'm not totally sure but I get a bit of a Big Ben vibe off Tannehill. Not as a person but rather as an afterthought that could go on to be special. Then again I would really bank on it.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;905299]I'm not totally sure but I get a bit of a Big Ben vibe off Tannehill. Not as a person but rather as an afterthought that could go on to be special. Then again I would really bank on it.[/quote]

He could turn out great but I think he is a big reach @ #4. I'd be fearful of his "potential" not developing as most say. He only has a handfull of games and ya never know how potential will mature.

I guess the same could be said for RGIII and Luck as well though. However, I like that they have a little more to judge them on.

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Tannehill started more D1 games than Cam Newton so it is not like he is lacking tape or even perhaps some necessary experience.

I think Tannehill is going to be very good. I think if you are QB-hungry you could do worse than taking him at #4. As Parcells said, better a round early (or in this case just a few picks early) than a pick too late.

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[quote=Gtothearry;905301]He could turn out great but I think he is a big reach @ #4. I'd be fearful of his "potential" not developing as most say. He only has a handfull of games and ya never know how potential will mature.

I guess the same could be said for RGIII and Luck as well though. However, I like that they have a little more to judge them on.[/quote]

Kiper and McShay predict that Tannehill will be a successful NFL quarterback. The fact that he only has 19 starts on the NCAA division 1 level might actually turn out to be a good thing. From the youtube videos I've seen of him, he's not that far behind Luck or Griffin III in terms of talent and ability. With the right coaching, he could be Joe Montana II.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;905793]Kiper and McShay predict that Tannehill will be a successful NFL quarterback. The fact that he only has 19 starts on the NCAA division 1 level might actually turn out to be a good thing. From the youtube videos I've seen of him, he's not that far behind Luck or Griffin III in terms of talent and ability. With the right coaching, he could be Joe Montana II.[/quote]

IMO opinion it's to early to tell how good/great/bad everyone of them will be no matter how excited I get over drafting RG3/LUCK. Tannehill has the least amount of work to grade so with him it's even harder.

The best weapon we can give our new qb is a very good offensive line.

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[quote=redskin37;905805]The best weapon we can give our new qb is a very good offensive line.[/quote]That's what I would think as well.
Meanwhile D.Bell is visiting the Eagles.

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ugh, i knew it.

maybe the redskins are ultra-confident that brown is oging to be ok and were going to stockpile some depth? bell was RT for the bills thoguh right?

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[quote=30gut;905807]That's what I would think as well.
Meanwhile D.Bell is visiting the Eagles.[/quote]

yeah, they'll probably sign either him or Marcus McNeil now that Peters is done for the year.

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[quote=PWNED;905826]ugh, i knew it.

maybe the redskins are ultra-confident that brown is oging to be ok and were going to stockpile some depth? bell was RT for the bills thoguh right?[/quote]

No Bell was their LT.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7760128&categoryid=2378529]Gruden Camp: RG3 - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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RG3 officially has a twitter account for those with twitter.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;906481]RG3 officially has a twitter account for those with twitter.[/quote]

Is it verified?

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[quote=Ruhskins;906493]Is it verified?[/quote]

yeah the baylor AD confirmed it.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/redskins-confidential/2012/04/redskins-email-report-more-rg3-talk-rabach-update/448791]Redskins email report: More RG3 talk; Rabach update | Washington Examiner[/url]

[QUOTE]Detmer also echoed what others have said:[B] Griffin's presence[/B] (and Andrew Luck for that matter) [B]will help in the run game[/B]. He'll also face a more reserved rush than other quarterbacks. What about the transition to taking snaps from under center rather than shotgun? Not a big deal Detmer said.
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Wait, a Rabach update? He better not come back. Doesn't sound like he'll play again anywhere with his health still not back after a year off, but the thought scares me.

Cutting him was the best move we made last season.