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^Bones on FOX??

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891102]Look at the date though. April 25, 2010. That was still part of Locker's honeymoon phase with scouts.[/quote]


Yeah but still a true statement that people thought of Locker as a number one pick even higher then Luck at that point.

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[quote=The Goat;891112]That's pretty fascinating Lotus. Nerve regeneration in general is fascinating.

...it's really, really hard not to root for Manning on at least some level IMO.[/quote]

I agree, he's by far my favorite non-redskins player in the history of the NFL. Ultimately I think he will be considered a transcendent player, that altered the course for QBs in the future.

I hate to be "that guy," but if he were to sign with the Skins I think I'd get one of those new nike jerseys that day (so long as they're out)

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[quote=Mahons21;891117]I agree, he's by far my favorite non-redskins player in the history of the NFL. Ultimately I think he will be considered a transcendent player, that altered the course for QBs in the future.

I hate to be "that guy," but if he were to sign with the Skins I think I'd get one of those new nike jerseys that day (so long as they're out)[/quote]


To me he is a Colt and always will be; it will weird to see him differently. Like Montana as a Chief.

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[quote=mredskins;891138]To me he is a Colt and always will be; it will weird to see him differently. Like Montana as a Chief.[/quote]

Or McNabb unemployed

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If Peyton is Healing I wouldn't be surpised if the Colt's pay him the bonus and put the number 1 pick up for sale. Restock the whole team by selling Luck.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;891145]If Peyton is Healing I wouldn't be surpised if the Colt's pay him the bonus and put the number 1 pick up for sale. Restock the whole team by selling Luck.[/QUOTE]



I would be surprised if that pick goes anywhere.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;891148]I would be surprised if that pick goes anywhere.[/quote]

Unless someone offers you 10 first round picks why do you even consider trading away the chance to draft the best and safest QB prospect of this generation? If anyone should appreciate the fact that QB's don't grow on trees it should be this fan base.

Think of it this way. Who has been a better team over the last decade? The Ravens before Joe Flacco or the Colts with Peyton Manning? You know why the Steeelers dominated the AFC North for so many years? Because they had a freaking QB while the Ravens were using retreads like Steve McNair and late round developmental guys (read:Troy Smith). The type of QB's that a lot of fans here would have picked for us in the same situation.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891150]Think of it this way. Who has been a better team over the last decade? The Ravens before Joe Flacco or the Colts with Peyton Manning?[/quote]Wait, are you actually asking?

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While the Colts may have been better during the regular season, the Ravens have the same amount of hardware as the Colts over this time frame. Furthermore the Ravens can lose there best player and not turn into a 2-14 team.

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People tend to belive the media hype so much. Luck is not Peyton. No Matter how you spin it, if you can pull a Montana/Young type of transition for your team you better do it.
Not saying that they will.

But why can't the Colts take the opportunity to fleace us for picks, re-tool around
Peyton, draft tannehill to be his understudy and fill the other many holes in their roster that they will have this year?

Luck can still end up being a bust. Just sayin

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Colts aren't going to pay him $28M without even being able to see him throw.

They're clearly ready to move on, new coach, new GM, and soon to be new QB.

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IMO the best [B]RUMOR[/B] to come out now would be the colts looking to trade out of 1st, want to talk about St. lou making a trade right now.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891099]He's got one great year left in him if that and that year might not even be this year. It's very possible he could go the way of Favre. Started out great with the Jets, injuries started to get the best of him he failed down the stretch. Came back with Minnesota, got a little healthier, had a career year then the following year injuries got the better of him.

Either way Mannning is a band aid with a very short shelf life. 3 years tops if everything goes perfect.[/quote]

Your right, but lets drink from the half full glass and think that since he's better then anyone even at 60% then add in the fact we only lost some of our games by 7 points or less he would easily get us into the play offs. However part of our problem was not QB play but instead WR and TE play with dropped balls and tipped balls which were INT. So if we can bring in a couple really good WR's, and PM, this team should do a lot better in it's own division with trying to make the playoffs.

Now we all know the we should settle for nothing less then SB but getting to the playoffs would go a long way in keeping MS/Allen and staff and the consistancy this organization needs to get better.

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[quote=mredskins;891103]Oh gee what will I be watching 4/2 at 9pm?[/quote]

I hope to see all but since Luck will not be an option then I can pass. Since RGIII is either not an option or totally the option I might pass on him also. I'm more interested in seeing the 2nd tier QB's and how their interview turns out.

4/11
4/16
4/18
4/19
4/23
4/24

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[quote=SBXVII;891181]Your right, but lets drink from the half full glass and think that since he's better then anyone even at 60% then add in the fact we only lost some of our games by 7 points or less he would easily get us into the play offs. However part of our problem was not QB play but instead WR and TE play with dropped balls and tipped balls which were INT. So if we can bring in a couple really good WR's, and PM, this team should do a lot better in it's own division with trying to make the playoffs.

Now we all know the we should settle for nothing less then SB but getting to the playoffs would go a long way in keeping MS/Allen and staff and the consistancy this organization needs to get better.[/quote]

The thing I've learned over the past few years is that every season is different, well except for us in terms of the end result but thats another story. Still the point is we can't really expect those 7 point games to be there next year. It's a nice footnote to fall back on but I mean this time last year I thought Ryan Torain was going to continue to be a beast when healthy, I was dead wrong. I also thought a healthy Landry would dominate, wrong again. I also never imagined the 49ers doing what they did.

I will say this. I think with RG3 the running game alone will be much improved. I'm a broken record on this now but when you have a QB with RG3's running ability running bootlegs off handoffs the cutback lanes break wide open.

On top of that as Matty pointed out we just need a QB in the passing game that won't be good for two turnovers a game. RG3 at the very least can be that as a rookie and possibly more I mean this is a guy that after 3 games had [URL="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/25/after-three-games-baylors-robert-griffin-iii-has-more-touchdowns-than-incompletions/"]more TD's then incompletions[/URL].

I believe that with Griffin at QB we can be a viable playoff contender in our first year. I mean it was after all a successful running game and strong defense that allowed the Falcons to get to the playoffs with Matt Ryan (whose line the previous year gave up more sacks then any team in the league) so why not us?

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17543030/redskins-choices-manning-griffin-or-new-coaching-staff-in-2013]Redskins' choices: Manning, Griffin or new coaching staff in 2013 - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice[/url]

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In the event that Washington is unable to trade up, I would say that throwing a boat load of dough to Peyton Manning would be better than drafting Ryan Tannehill. The Redskins could sign Manning, and then draft Brandon Weeden or Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins to be Manning's successor. Then in the draft, we could focus on building the team accordingly. We could use the first round draft choice on a right tackle, or maybe Justin Blackmon.

I still like the idea of drafting Robert Griffin III, but if we are unable to move up, then Peyton Manning wouldn't be such a bad signing. Hopefully, Kyle Shanahan will be intelligent enough to tweak the offense to how Manning plays quarterback instead of trying to micro manage him into being a Shanahan robot, which in turn would cause conflict.

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Here we go
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Unfortunately the commentary is in something that ain't ingles but the point remains the same. This guy is real. And for those who say TCU wasn't that great of a defense keep in mind they were #1 from 2008 to 2010. They dropped to 32nd this year in part because of this game where Griffin dominated them.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;891249]In the event that Washington is unable to trade up, I would say that throwing a boat load of dough to Peyton Manning would be better than drafting Ryan Tannehill. The Redskins could sign Manning, and then draft Brandon Weeden or Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins to be Manning's successor. Then in the draft, we could focus on building the team accordingly. We could use the first round draft choice on a right tackle, or maybe Justin Blackmon.

I still like the idea of drafting Robert Griffin III, but if we are unable to move up, then Peyton Manning wouldn't be such a bad signing.[B] Hopefully, Kyle Shanahan will be intelligent enough to tweak the offense to how Manning plays quarterback instead of trying to micro manage him into being a Shanahan robot, which in turn would cause conflict.[/B][/quote]

Hopefully Kyle will be mature enough to acknowledge his football acumen is just a fraction of Manning's and he'll shut up, sit back and try to learn all that he can. This is, of course, a 2nd best alternative to the scenario where Kyle's not part of any scenario whatsoever. My intuition, and I would put money on this, is Manning's biggest hesitation about coming here is Kyle's presence.

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[quote=The Goat;891256]Hopefully Kyle will be mature enough to acknowledge his football acumen is just a fraction of Manning's and he'll shut up, sit back and try to learn all that he can. This is, of course, a 2nd best alternative to the scenario where Kyle's not part of any scenario whatsoever. My intuition, and I would put money on this, is Manning's biggest hesitation about coming here is Kyle's presence.[/quote]

I agree with you 1,000,000 %.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891099]He's got one great year left in him if that and that year might not even be this year. It's very possible he could go the way of Favre. Started out great with the Jets, injuries started to get the best of him he failed down the stretch. Came back with Minnesota, got a little healthier, had a career year then the following year injuries got the better of him.

Either way Mannning is a band aid with a very short shelf life. 3 years tops if everything goes perfect.[/quote]

wrong, completely disagree. Manning could play until he is 40 or 41, and that is 4 or 5 years. If anyone could do it, it is Peyton Manning.

And I cant wait to see the highlights of him tearing it up with a chip on his shoulder the size of Mt Everest.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;891249][B]In the event that Washington is unable to trade up, I would say that throwing a boat load of dough to Peyton Manning would be better than drafting Ryan Tannehill.[/B] The Redskins could sign Manning, and then draft Brandon Weeden or Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins to be Manning's successor. Then in the draft, we could focus on building the team accordingly. We could use the first round draft choice on a right tackle, or maybe Justin Blackmon.

I still like the idea of drafting Robert Griffin III, but if we are unable to move up, then Peyton Manning wouldn't be such a bad signing. Hopefully, Kyle Shanahan will be intelligent enough to tweak the offense to how Manning plays quarterback instead of trying to micro manage him into being a Shanahan robot, which in turn would cause conflict.[/quote]

I offer that it is not an either/or. We could sign PM and draft RT, letting Tannehill learn behind Manning. Then we'd be set with high quality quarterbacking for years.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;891248][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17543030/redskins-choices-manning-griffin-or-new-coaching-staff-in-2013]Redskins' choices: Manning, Griffin or new coaching staff in 2013 - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice[/url][/quote]

Pretty straight forward article. It's either Griffin III or Peyton Manning. I think the Redskins could win with either. But Mike Shanahan, after his failings with McNabb, his miscalculation with John Beck, and his irrational decision to go with Rex Grossman, has hurt the Redskins more than anything. This is his last chance to get it right. Maybe the sports writers are speaking for Daniel Snyder in saying that Shanahan will get canned if the Redskins don't start winning and soon. I doubt if he gets fired. He could very well be in Washington for all five years of his contract. But Mike Shanahan, must get it right this time around with his next major quarterback decision. Manning or RG3.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;891203]The thing I've learned over the past few years is that every season is different, well except for us in terms of the end result but thats another story. Still the point is we can't really expect those 7 point games to be there next year. It's a nice footnote to fall back on but I mean this time last year I thought Ryan Torain was going to continue to be a beast when healthy, I was dead wrong. I also thought a healthy Landry would dominate, wrong again. I also never imagined the 49ers doing what they did.

I will say this. I think with RG3 the running game alone will be much improved. I'm a broken record on this now but when you have a QB with RG3's running ability running bootlegs off handoffs the cutback lanes break wide open.

On top of that as Matty pointed out we just need a QB in the passing game that won't be good for two turnovers a game. RG3 at the very least can be that as a rookie and possibly more I mean this is a guy that after 3 games had [URL="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/25/after-three-games-baylors-robert-griffin-iii-has-more-touchdowns-than-incompletions/"]more TD's then incompletions[/URL].

I believe that with Griffin at QB we can be a viable playoff contender in our first year. I mean it was after all a successful running game and strong defense that allowed the Falcons to get to the playoffs with Matt Ryan (whose line the previous year gave up more sacks then any team in the league) so why not us?[/quote]

And then I completely agree with this one.

I guess i wouldnt be too upset if we got RG3 or Manning, but RG3 does seem to be the shinier and sparkly newer toy.

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[quote=Lotus;891261]I offer that it is not an either/or. We could sign PM and draft RT, letting Tannehill learn behind Manning. Then we'd be set with high quality quarterbacking for years.[/quote]

The only way for the Redskins to get Tannehill is to reach for him at #6. Even if the Redskins do sign Manning in free agency, and then draft Tannehill, that wouldn't be such a bad move so I agree with you there. But there are other options than Tannehill at quarterback. Either of the QB draftees would benefit with a few years behind Manning and possibly Grossman if he is re-signed.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;891268]The only way for the Redskins to get Tannehill is to reach for him at #6. Even if the Redskins do sign Manning in free agency, and then draft Tannehill, that wouldn't be such a bad move so I agree with you there. But there are other options than Tannehill at quarterback. Either of the QB draftees would benefit with a few years behind Manning and possibly Grossman if he is re-signed.[/quote]

You would have to sell Manning on the move before hand if you were to sign him. Any team he goes to he's going to want those early picks to go towards potential first year starters.

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Here it is in English
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My question is if we draft RGIII should we hire Steve Young as a QB consultant to help his transition into the NFL?

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According to the draft gods (magazine)...

Ryan Tannehill-

[B]Upside-[/B] Tannehill is one of the best athlete's in this QB class. A converted WR, he has excellent feet and balance, and he keeps his accuracy on the run. He has a quick release and a great feel for the subtleties of the position, looking off defenders and staying poised under pressure. He worked under former Green Bay Pakers coach Mike Sherman in a pro style offense.

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[B]Down Side-[/B] Arm strength is iffy. Tannehill has an awkward throwing motion and pushes the ball more than he flings it. Pass knockdowns aren't a big issue because of his size, but he doesn't stretch the field. Raw after only one full season as a QB.

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[B]Bottom Line-[/B] He probably need another year to get ready, but a potentially solid starter in a West Coast offense.

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[quote=The Goat;890971]This is still a great thread.

I suspect RGIII carries far higher bust potential than most believe him to carry. He's a highly mobile QB from a basic college offensive system and, more importantly IMO, it's unclear if his hearts in the game. Can he eat, sleep and breath for the game 46 weeks each year? Wasn't it just a cpl/few months ago he was considering a law degree and putting pro football on hold? Really? Really?? It's pro friggin football and you wanna be the next Johnny Cochran...what fine chap you are indeed, sir!!!

I hope there isn't a $ limit on PM. Peyton's never struck me as an unreasonable guy, so he'll accept there's "consensus" idea what he's worth in the market. We should beat that number by a few hundred thousand. The real ? is whether Peyton wants to sign here i.e. does he believe this bidding team, right now, gives him the best opportunity to win right now? I'll be ecstatic if he dons the Burgundy and Gold!!!

I'll put it on a t-shirt: [I]Peyton Manning: We're not ****in around anymore!!!
(Redskins Logo)
[/I][/quote]

I tend to agree with you on your sentiments concerning RGIII. I get hot and cold on the idea.

I have loved the idea of PM in the B & G since the talk came out in early Feb that we were really looking at him. SS seems to think we are on his short list of teams he would sign with, and now I am just ecstatic that it may be a real possibility that we get to see #18. To me it is the much less risky decision.

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Pro Football Draft Guide has the list in the mag as being

1- Luck
2- RGIII
3- Tannehill
4-Osweiler
5- Foles
6- Weeden
7- Coleman (Chattanooga)
8- Cousins
9- R. Wilson
10- Harnish (N. Illinois)
11- Moore
12- Lindley
13- Brantley (Florida)
14- D. Davis (E. Carolina)
15- J. Harris (Miami)
16- A. Corp (Richmond)
17- C. Keenum (Houston)
18- T. Hansen (Colorado)
19- D. Thomas (Oregon)
20- D. Persa (Northwestern)
21- G. Kinne (Tulsa)
22- M. Brown (Liberty)
23- A. Davis (Southern Miss)
24- J. Jefferson (LSU)
25- S. Garcia (S. Carolina)

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[quote=Mechanix544;891260]wrong, completely disagree. Manning could play until he is 40 or 41, and that is 4 or 5 years. If anyone could do it, it is Peyton Manning.

And[B] I cant wait to see the highlights of him tearing it up with a chip on his shoulder the size of Mt Everest.[/B][/quote]

Yep, I really hope it is here.

To those that say this is it for Shanny , then who would you really want to risk your coaching job with: Manning/Tannehill or another rookie OR RGIII and less young talent. If we don't trade up, I see the FO trading back and picking up some more pieces. If it's me, give me choice # 1.

This strategy will equal big wins and get this team relevant again for more than a year or two.

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[quote=Ruhskins;890778]By the way, if we get RG3, this needs to be an avatar. LOL.[/quote]

Dig it

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Video of PM throwing (Posted by Mort on Twitter)

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Keep em comin' Dirtbag.

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The story attached to the Manning video...

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7640741/source-indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-throws-duke-university-workout]Source -- Indianapolis Colts' Peyton Manning throws in Duke University workout - ESPN[/url]