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[quote=CultBrennan59;874291]My last word on tebow for the next few days; Beat NE, then I'll be a huge believer.[/quote]

You sound like the same people this year, saying first "quarterback a team to a win, then ill believe", then was "ok bring a team back back in the last 5 minutes of a game, then Ill believe", then "ok get the team into the playoffs, then ill believe". Last week it was " ok win a playoff game, then ill believe".

When you look back at the body of work in his truly first year of QB-ing its impressive. Does he need to improve throwing the ball, of course. But everything ive seen says he can do it by just what he has done this year alone. Hatters still gonna hatte no matter what.

Is it overkill by the media? Of course, when is it not these days?

Does Tebow get too much of the credit? The QB ALWAYS gets too much credit or too much grief when things are going good or bad. Its the nature of the position. The real hero of that game hands down was D. Thomas with 4 receptions for 204 yards, 1td and one hellava stiff arm.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874049]Denver won the toss so we are about to find out if god is a Broncos fan[/quote] Well , the Steelers do have a RB that seems to be on the side of our enemy's over seas :) Too bad poor steeler fans !!!

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[quote=Hog1;874349]Perhaps, in the off-season he'll shoot himself in the leg while frequenting a strip joint...and then you can feel more....comfortable with him.....[/quote] Exellent Hog !! Or maybe he can grope and molest a young lady like the other QB . Tebow has never said that god won the Broncos a game , he just has a strong belief / faith .

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[quote=Giantone;874342]so what , it was the only football on.[/quote]
Since when does the NFL play two playoff games at the same time ???

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[quote=Chico23231;874390]You sound like the same people this year, saying first "quarterback a team to a win, then ill believe", then was "ok bring a team back back in the last 5 minutes of a game, then Ill believe", then "ok get the team into the playoffs, then ill believe". Last week it was " ok win a playoff game, then ill believe".

When you look back at the body of work in his truly first year of QB-ing its impressive. Does he need to improve throwing the ball, of course. But everything ive seen says he can do it by just what he has done this year alone. Hatters still gonna hatte no matter what.

Is it overkill by the media? Of course, when is it not these days?

Does Tebow get too much of the credit? The QB ALWAYS gets too much credit or too much grief when things are going good or bad. Its the nature of the position. The real hero of that game hands down was D. Thomas with 4 receptions for 204 yards, 1td and one hellava stiff arm.[/quote]

To Tebow's credit, he did give his props to Thomas.

But Thomas wouldn't be catching that 80 yard pass if they hadn't established the run so well...and Tebow was a part of making that running game go.

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[quote=Chico23231;874390]You sound like the same people this year, saying first "quarterback a team to a win, then ill believe", then was "ok bring a team back back in the last 5 minutes of a game, then Ill believe", then "ok get the team into the playoffs, then ill believe". Last week it was " ok win a playoff game, then ill believe".

When you look back at the body of work in his truly first year of QB-ing its impressive. Does he need to improve throwing the ball, of course. But everything ive seen says he can do it by just what he has done this year alone. Hatters still gonna hatte no matter what.

Is it overkill by the media? Of course, when is it not these days?

Does Tebow get too much of the credit? The QB ALWAYS gets too much credit or too much grief when things are going good or bad. Its the nature of the position. The real hero of that game hands down was D. Thomas with 4 receptions for 204 yards, 1td and one hellava stiff arm.[/quote]

I just feel like this 'magical run' that tebows having is going to come to an end sooner rather than later. NE exposed him in the two teams last meeting. Beat NE in the playoffs than I will believe that he is an NFL worthy starting QB. Show me that you can slide protections the right way, that you can audible to the right play, that you can make the good 20 yard out-route passes. Because you're going to have to do this against NE. Beat a quality team with little, to no injuries, then I'll become a full believer of TT being a good nfl starting QB. Like I said earlier I loved tebow when he was at Florida, always thought he's a great college QB, but NFL he has to single win me a game on his own. Keep in mind his Defense has be playing great, his OL is very young and good giving him lots of time to throw, and his WR's are one of the better cores in the league.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874464]I just feel like this 'magical run' that tebows having is going to come to an end sooner rather than later. NE exposed him in the two teams last meeting. Beat NE in the playoffs than I will believe that he is an NFL worthy starting QB. Show me that you can slide protections the right way, that you can audible to the right play, that you can make the good 20 yard out-route passes. Because you're going to have to do this against NE. Beat a quality team with little, to no injuries, then I'll become a full believer of TT being a good nfl starting QB. Like I said earlier I loved tebow when he was at Florida, always thought he's a great college QB, but NFL he has to single win me a game on his own. Keep in mind his Defense has be playing great, his OL is very young and good giving him lots of time to throw, and his WR's are one of the better cores in the league.[/quote]"You just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I will only believe in you if you run up numbers against the Patriots defense."

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[quote=GTripp0012;874476]"You just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I will only believe in you if you run up numbers against the Patriots defense."[/quote]

Makes perfect sense doesn't it??

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[quote=GTripp0012;874476]"You just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I will only believe in you if you run up numbers against the Patriots defense."[/quote]

lol - perfect

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;874409]To Tebow's credit, he did give his props to Thomas.

But Thomas wouldn't be catching that 80 yard pass if they hadn't established the run so well...and Tebow was a part of making that running game go.[/quote]

What game were you watching? LeBeau put 8 and 9 guys in the box escentially shutting down the running game and forcing Tebow to beat them by throwing, which he did. This is the first game he made a lot of different throws. Didn't just pull it down and run it, but extended the play with his legs looking to throw. McGahee rushed for 60. Tebow for 50. Not exactly establishing the run so well. I think Tebow showed a lot of improvement in this game especially considering it was a good Steelers defense. All you hatters goin' to hat no matter what Tebow does.

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Even if he can get it done against NE....
After last night, let's see what he can do against that Alabama D.

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[quote=GTripp0012;874476]"You just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I will only believe in you if you run up numbers against the Patriots defense."[/quote]

Read the damn post. He beat a battered up pittsburgh defense with out 3 of its starting DL, and their FS (as well as their offense missing some of their key starters Mendenhall, A healthy big ben, their OL always shifting guys around). It wasn't a traditional good steeler defense (nor team), it was a mediocre one, which he still almost lost to...And I'm just saying beat NE with Belichick whose considered a defensive wiz that is nearly unstoppable to beat when he has a bye week to plan for your team. Plus he beat them last time with his defense and made Tim look like the bad QB we always debate about. Beat NE then I'll think he's a good NFL QB, he still hasn't shown me consistency to give me a definite answer. Keep in mind he lost 3 straight before this post season win on this 8-8 team.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874532]Read the damn post. He beat a battered up pittsburgh defense with out 3 of its starting DL, and their FS. It wasn't a traditional good steeler defense, it was a mediocre one, which he still almost lost to...And I'm just saying beat NE with Belichick whose considered a defensive wiz that is nearly unstoppable to beat when he has a bye week to plan for your team. Plus he beat them last time with his defense and made Tim look like the bad QB we always debate about. Beat NE then I'll think he's a good NFL QB, he still hasn't shown me consistency to give me a definite answer. Keep in mind he lost 3 straight before this post season win on this 8-8 team.[/quote]

I have no idea why no one mentions the fact that Big Ben was hobbling around the field. I think the injuries on defense happen and they really shouldn't be an excuse. To add to that, Ryan Clark's replacement did a decent job out there. However, not having Ben at 100% was a pretty big deal; at healthy Ben turns those 2 FGs into TDs. Still, it doesn't take away from the Broncos play, but it is hard to disregard the fact that it would have been a different game had Ben been healthy (which is the Steelers fault for playing him against the Browns).

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Denver needs to beat NE, not Tebow.

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[quote=Mattyk;874540]Denver needs to beat NE, not Tebow.[/quote]

The key for Denver will be getting to Brady. If Dumervil and Von Miller can get to Brady, Denver can win this game.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874532]Read the damn post. He beat a battered up pittsburgh defense with out 3 of its starting DL, and their FS (as well as their offense missing some of their key starters Mendenhall, A healthy big ben, their OL always shifting guys around). It wasn't a traditional good steeler defense (nor team), it was a mediocre one, which he still almost lost to...And I'm just saying beat NE with [B]Belichick whose considered a defensive wiz that is nearly unstoppable to beat when he has a bye week to plan for your team[/B]. Plus he beat them last time with his defense and made Tim look like the bad QB we always debate about. Beat NE then I'll think he's a good NFL QB, he still hasn't shown me consistency to give me a definite answer. Keep in mind he lost 3 straight before this post season win on this 8-8 team.[/quote]

This doesn't matter. New England is 31st in defense. They can't stop anyone. Hatters are going to say, "Tebow didn't do anything because the NE defense sucks. I'll only believe in him if he beats Team X in the conference championship."

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[quote=Ruhskins;874541]The key for Denver will be getting to Brady. If Dumervil and Von Miller can get to Brady, Denver can win this game.[/quote]

Agreed, this one falls on Denver's D.

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In all honesty, as far as "Really Good" teams are concerned....NE may set up fairly well for Denver. I cannot imagine they can win it, but then I could not see them beating Pitt...
Soooo, T has shown he can actually throw a decent ball....Deep, followed by more of the same. Denver is weak against the pass. Are they still playing wideouts at D-back? I know they can run against them. Denver should be able to score points against NE and if the D can chase Tom around some....who knows.
Tough to keep pace in a shootout...

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I have a hard time believing DE gets by NE. I kind of saw it coming in the Pitt game considering Pitt's injuries and DE at home.

The game that intrigues me is Hou/Bal. I can see Hou winning that game if TJ and the O weapons get going.

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[quote=SkinzWin;874508]What game were you watching? LeBeau put 8 and 9 guys in the box escentially shutting down the running game and forcing Tebow to beat them by throwing, which he did. This is the first game he made a lot of different throws. Didn't just pull it down and run it, but extended the play with his legs looking to throw. McGahee rushed for 60. Tebow for 50. Not exactly establishing the run so well. I think Tebow showed a lot of improvement in this game especially considering it was a good Steelers defense. All you hatters goin' to hat no matter what Tebow does.[/quote]Dude, I'm a Tebow liker who thought that he's gonna make it since he'll put in the work.

Ok, put it this way. The [I]threat[/I] to run was established, and in large part due to Tebow being a legit "extra" running threat. Thay's why the Steelers had to commit extra players to stopping it instead of playing their usual game. That left them vulnerable on the back end and that was what precisely done them in at the end. In essence, Tebow's ability to run helped Tebow the passer make those beautiful throws to those wide receivers.

5.0 YPC for Tebow isn't bad, even with a small sample size and the total yardage was above the average amount of yards the Steelers gave up in the regular season (99.8 yards per game)

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;874552]Dude, I'm a Tebow liker who thought that he's gonna make it since he'll put in the work.

Ok, put it this way. The [I]threat[/I] to run was established, and in large part due to Tebow being a legit "extra" running threat. Thay's why the Steelers had to commit extra players to stopping it instead of playing their usual game. That left them vulnerable on the back end and that was what precisely done them in at the end. In essence, Tebow's ability to run helped Tebow the passer make those beautiful throws to those wide receivers.

5.0 YPC for Tebow isn't bad, even with a small sample size and the total yardage was above the average amount of yards the Steelers gave up in the regular season (99.8 yards per game)[/quote]

I understand that and agree. I was just trying to make the point that I didn't think the Broncos "established the run so well" in this game as stated considering the Steelers were stacking the box in order to stop them from running the ball since they were the #1 rushing offense in the league during the regular season.

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[quote=Mattyk;874547]Agreed, this one falls on Denver's D.[/quote]

For sure. Denver looked pretty good against them early in the game when they first played. Then Denver's defense decided to stay on the field the entire second quarter and the game got away from them.

Even though NE hasn't been that great in the playoffs in recent years, it's gonna be really tough for the Broncos to go into Foxborough and win. As much as I'd love to see the Tebow stuff continue, I don't see it happening this weekend. I hope I'm wrong!

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[quote=Hog1;874514]Even if he can get it done against NE....
After last night, let's see what he can do against that Alabama D.[/quote]

AMEN to that! There were probably a half-dozen guys on the Alabama defense who will be playing on Sundays very soon.

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[quote=SkinzWin;874545]This doesn't matter. New England is 31st in defense. They can't stop anyone. Hatters are going to say, "Tebow didn't do anything because the NE defense sucks. I'll only believe in him if he beats Team X in the conference championship."[/quote]

I know, NE's defense is playing awful this year, but they stopped him last time with the same guys is what else I'm trying to say. NE would be huge. But like people said, it's his defense that is key. NE forced 17 points of turnovers from Denvers offense, most of them off of Tebow, NE is the win Tebow needs not just from the non-believers, but for Elway as well. Keep in mind Elway is still reportedly trying to draft a QB. I'm done talking about Tebow. I hear his frickin' name every frickin' hour of the day where ever I am. As much as I hate NE, and Love Tebow from his college days, I also wish we can stop hearing about him everyday on ESPN. I wish we can fix his bi-polar play and he can make up his mind as to if he's a good qb or a bad one. One week he plays great, the next week he plays awful, the next good, you see the pattern.