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[quote=30gut;781360]Very very nice.
Vielen Dank.

I've got a book for you: Finding the Winning Edge
Its a hard book to trackdown but if you can get your hands on that book you'll love it.
Its one the best football books ever.
I'm actually not exxagerating.[/quote]

Thanks. Knew about it while searching for reviews on his other bio, but still haven't read it. Perhaps InterLibrary Loan will help me out when I can get some time.

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I still don't see the media's love affair with Locker. A 4 year starter in the same system should be rather sharp with his throws, etc. Every time he has the limelight in a nationally televised game the last two years I come away not impressed. Guy is inaccurate, throws floaters too often, and looks out of rhythm whenever he plays a big game(the ones I have watched anyway). Nebraska totally sucked in the bowl game, and Jake had to win it with his feet. The strategy was obvious to keep Locker from having to win the game with his arm, which has to raise some flags about his being able to excel at the next level. How can Cam Newton look so damn sharp with this his only year as a starter, and Locker looking sort of ragged. And please, don't give me this crap about how the Shanahans can groom the kid. The only titles Shanahan has won was with "The Natural" Elway who didn't need any grooming when he came under Reeves wing.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781239]What I found interesting was when Mayock broke down Locker's footwork. His base is initially very narrow and then becomes really wide. They then said that that was like an infielder's throwing motion. He actually was a pitcher and outfielder

Perhaps some of Locker's issues are fixable.[/quote]


Do you really want to use a #10 pick on a 50/50 proposition that Locker's problems are fixable? Cam Newton looks like a stud after only one year as a starter and Locker still comes off as a shaky underclassman after 4 years as a starting QB. Right now I like Gabbert and Ponder. Cam is hot, but to me is too much of a tease or gamble. I wish he would have gotten one more year in as a starter.

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At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;781591]Do you really want to use a #10 pick on a 50/50 proposition that Locker's problems are fixable? Cam Newton looks like a stud after only one year as a starter and Locker still comes off as a shaky underclassman after 4 years as a starting QB. Right now I like Gabbert and Ponder. Cam is hot, but to me is too much of a tease or gamble. I wish he would have gotten one more year in as a starter.[/quote]

Newton has horrible accuracy so NO THANKS

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[quote=GusFrerotte;781591]Do you really want to use a #10 pick on a 50/50 proposition that Locker's problems are fixable? Cam Newton looks like a stud after only one year as a starter and Locker still comes off as a shaky underclassman after 4 years as a starting QB. Right now I like Gabbert and Ponder. Cam is hot, but to me is too much of a tease or gamble. I wish he would have gotten one more year in as a starter.[/quote]

I said I found Mayock's comment interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable.

That does not mean I said "this is a reason we should take him at tenth in the first round".

That does not mean I said "so-and-so should not be taken".

That does not mean "Locker is better than every other QB out there".

I said what Mayock said was interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable. That is all. I did not even mention what I would do. What I would do, given my gigantic ignorance in all things draft, is burn a [nonexistent] 3rd rounder on him in a hypothetical world.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781592]At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.[/quote]

Umm, I'm all for trading out of the #10 pick in order to pick up more picks since we can use all the picks we can get, but.... I find it interesting how no matter where we are in the draft people have the oppinion that there is no draftee worth taking at any given spot. Unless of course it's in the 3rd round or beyond. In any event I'd rather see the Skins take Ponder or Dalton in later rounds at this point.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781593]Newton has horrible accuracy so NO THANKS[/quote]

I posted this in another thread but here you go with questions of Newton's accuracy.

Cam Newton Stats: 188.2 QB Rating, 2589 yds, 28 TD, 6 INT, 65.2 cmp%. With a passer rating of just .6 behind the nation's best. I want a pass rushing freak, but won't be terribly upset with a pick of Cam.

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Dalton is the sleeper and will be better than all of them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;781600]Dalton is the sleeper and will be better than all of them.[/quote]

I've been saying this all along I would love to draft him

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Andy Dalton

Completion % 66.1 Yds 2857 TD 27 Int 6 Passer Rating166.48

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781601]I've been saying this all along I would love to draft him[/quote]

He'll be the next Sammy Baugh ;) I really like him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781592]At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.[/quote]

If Miller is gone I think this makes the most sense. Minimize the risk of taking a qb by taking one later in the 1st or early 2nd.

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I'd rather load up else where with an eye for taking a qb next season unless someone falls to us that would just be silly to pass on. I'd be interested in taking someone like Mitch Mustain in the 6th or 7th round or as a UDFA. With all the hype he had going into college, it would be nice to see what he has to offer at the combine/pro day.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;781592]At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. [B]Miller will be gone [/B]and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.[/quote]

Not necessarily. Everyone said the same thing about Orakpo. I think if teams ahead of us don't make stupid reaches for players they want, like with Oakland taking Darius Heyward-Bey at #7, REALLY!?!, then he won't be there. But I'm not so certain teams won't reach for a certain need like they did last year. I'd love to have Miller. I've been pulling for him since the beginning of talk about this year's draft class.

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i hear aldon smith from mizz is picking up a lot of steam

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[quote=SkinzWin;781667]Not necessarily. Everyone said the same thing about Orakpo. I think if teams ahead of us don't make stupid reaches for players they want, like with Oakland taking Darius Heyward-Bey at #7, REALLY!?!, then he won't be there. But I'm not so certain teams won't reach for a certain need like they did last year. I'd love to have Miller. I've been pulling for him since the beginning of talk about this year's draft class.[/quote]

Miller is great, but is he a little on the small side? He looked like a strong safety in the sr. bowl.

While I would love to see another great OLB on this D, I would rather have more quality picks. As usual, this team is faced w/a draft lacking picks in the high value rounds w/no 3rd or 4th. Either way, if Miller falls like you mention above, it's good for us, either we take him or it increases the likelihood of a trading partner.

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[quote=freddyg12;781680]Miller is great, but is he a little on the small side? He looked like a strong safety in the sr. bowl.

While I would love to see another great OLB on this D, I would rather have more quality picks. As usual, this team is faced w/a draft lacking picks in the high value rounds w/no 3rd or 4th. Either way, if Miller falls like you mention above, it's good for us, [B]either we take him or it increases the likelihood of a trading partner[/B].[/quote]

Very true. I think it is more important to have size at the ILB position than outside in a 3-4 due to ILB having to take on interior linemen. The OLB doesn't have to be as big IMO because he will often be in coverage, therefore a need to be faster, or rushing the QB on the edge.

I think we do need more picks but I think Miller would be perfect in this system as he is both a great rusher and good in coverage. If he is not there then I am definitely with the trade back to get more picks group. You have to realize though, there may be no one wanting to trade and you might have to take someone.

I just hope if we can't trade out at #10 we don't take a QB. I think that would be a reach as there is so much defensive talent that is more worthy of #10 pick than any QB in this draft IMO.

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Actually, Miller at 9 would probably benefit the Cowboys, as someone would trade with them to avoid us taking him. Somehow, they are gonna screw our draft up :madani:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;781687]Actually, Miller at 9 would probably benefit the Cowboys, as someone would trade with them to avoid us taking him. Somehow, they are gonna screw our draft up :madani:[/quote]

I have totally been thinking of that too. Not just w/Miller per se, but anybody that might be on the board. JJ likes to trade back a la the tuna.

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[quote=SkinzWin;781682]Very true. I think it is more important to have size at the ILB position than outside in a 3-4 due to ILB having to take on interior linemen. The OLB doesn't have to be as big IMO because he will often be in coverage, therefore a need to be faster, or rushing the QB on the edge.

I think we do need more picks but I think Miller would be perfect in this system as he is both a great rusher and good in coverage. If he is not there then I am definitely with the trade back to get more picks group. You have to realize though, there may be no one wanting to trade and you might have to take someone.

[B]I just hope if we can't trade out at #10 we don't take a QB[/B]. I think that would be a reach as there is so much defensive talent that is more worthy of #10 pick than any QB in this draft IMO.[/quote]

That's my fear too, though if Gabbert or Newton were on the board I would be cautiously optimistic if we took either. I would like to see a trade back & get a qb late 1st or in 2nd.

I like what Smootsmack said; there was talk that they would draft a 2nd or 3rd round qb (pending trade of course) this year to develop as a backup, while going for a qb next year to be the long-term starter. That sounds like a good plan, basically plan to draft QBs 2 years in a row. One of them should become a decent starter.

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If Miller is gone at 10 I'd like to see us trade back, as mentioned, or take DE Cameron Jordan. This would add teeth to our front 3. If we are following the examples of teams like the Steelers and Ravens, we will invest first round picks on our defensive front 3.

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[quote=freddyg12;781691]That's my fear too, though if Gabbert or Newton were on the board I would be cautiously optimistic if we took either. I would like to see a trade back & get a qb late 1st or in 2nd.

I like what Smootsmack said; there was talk that they would draft a 2nd or 3rd round qb (pending trade of course) this year to develop as a backup, while going for a qb next year to be the long-term starter. That sounds like a good plan, basically plan to draft QBs 2 years in a row. One of them should become a decent starter.[/quote]

Um, that's not exactly what I said. I said it wouldn't surprise me if they took a QB this year and then again next year. But there's not necessarily talk of the Skins doing that

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/780723-post159.html[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;781696]Um, that's not exactly what I said. I said it wouldn't surprise me if they took a QB this year and then again next year. But there's not necessarily talk of the Skins doing that

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/780723-post159.html[/URL][/quote]

sorry dude, that was a misquote, just wanted to give you credit for the info., or as it turns out - the idea. It would be a good approach, my only fear is that Locker = Heath Shuler, who will = Gus Frerotte?

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[quote=freddyg12;781698]sorry dude, that was a misquote, just wanted to give you credit for the info., or as it turns out - the idea. It would be a good approach, my only fear is that Locker = Heath Shuler, who will = Gus Frerotte?[/quote]

It's cool. I just know that sometimes people misinterpret my posts here sometimes as "inside info" I don't want confusion. I try to make it pretty clear when it's something I've heard vs. something I think

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;781687]Actually, Miller at 9 would probably benefit the Cowboys, as someone would trade with them to avoid us taking him. Somehow, they are gonna screw our draft up :madani:[/quote]

True, but there could also be a player available to the cowboys on the board like a Marcell Dareus who they would need, or the could be very convinced that we get Cam Newton that they just keep that pick. Anything, and I mean Anything could happen.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/story/09000d5d81e058f1/article/packers-steelers-architects-draft-same-plan-to-reach-sbxlv]NFL.com news: Packers', Steelers' architects draft same plan to reach SBXLV[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;781595]I said I found Mayock's comment interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable.

That does not mean I said "this is a reason we should take him at tenth in the first round".

That does not mean I said "so-and-so should not be taken".

That does not mean "Locker is better than every other QB out there".

I said what Mayock said was interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable. That is all. I did not even mention what I would do. What I would do, given my gigantic ignorance in all things draft, is burn a [nonexistent] 3rd rounder on him in a hypothetical world.[/quote]


Not nailing you CP, just the media's love affair with Locker. I figured you were just going along with the article. I found it rather amusing how all the booth guys for the Nebraska vs Wash bowl game were fawning over the kid, even though his passing game was crap. The kid blows chunks for a 4 year starter. As for Cam, I rather get Gabbert or Ponder, but Cam gets the nod over Locker anyday. When guys were talking about Locker in here last year as a possible QB for us I gagged. Guy was a INT machine.

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[quote=Terpfan76;781660]I'd rather load up else where with an eye for taking a qb next season unless someone falls to us that would just be silly to pass on. I'd be interested in taking someone like Mitch Mustain in the 6th or 7th round or as a UDFA. With all the hype he had going into college, it would be nice to see what he has to offer at the combine/pro day.[/quote]

Well this won't help Mustain

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6083009]Ex-USC QB Mitch Mustain arrested on drug charge - ESPN Los Angeles[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;781692]If Miller is gone at 10 I'd like to see us trade back, as mentioned, or take DE Cameron Jordan. This would add teeth to our front 3. If we are following the examples of teams like the Steelers and Ravens, we will invest first round picks on our defensive front 3.[/quote]We have a winner. Great call.

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[quote=SmootSmack;782072]Well this won't help Mustain

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6083009]Ex-USC QB Mitch Mustain arrested on drug charge - ESPN Los Angeles[/url][/quote]

Yeah, I saw that last night and was going to post it... Went to bed instead... stupid Terps... stupid Dook...

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Looks like Locker fell off the map...

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6083208&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft2011%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6083208"]Kiper: Jake Locker drops off the latest big board[/URL]

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[quote=SkinzWin;782240]Looks like Locker fell off the map...

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6083208&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft2011%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6083208"]Kiper: Jake Locker drops off the latest big board[/URL][/quote]

Wait till combine he will jump back up

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[quote=SmootSmack;781704]It's cool. I just know that sometimes people misinterpret my posts here sometimes as "inside info" I don't want confusion. I try to make it pretty clear when it's something I've heard vs. something I think[/quote]

SS, you heard any wrap up senior bowl news about the Skins, who came out with greater interest than going into the week?

With the news of Moss gaining his expected free agency, any rumblings behind-the-scenes of the WR positions? We looking at anybody free agent wise or draft?

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[quote=Chico23231;783325]SS, you heard any wrap up senior bowl news about the Skins, who came out with greater interest than going into the week?

With the news of Moss gaining his expected free agency, any rumblings behind-the-scenes of the WR positions? We looking at anybody free agent wise or draft?[/quote]

No, I've been pretty busy with other stuff. No time to focus much on any Skins news the past couple of weeks

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[quote=SmootSmack;783327]No, I've been pretty busy with other stuff. No time to focus much on any Skins news the past couple of weeks[/quote]

Wait you mean you guys focus on other shit in life?!?! Jesus..... maybe my wife has a point when we argue about the Skins and how she thinks they are #1 in my life............ Blahahahaha yeah ok. She has a point. I just made myself laugh. . HTTR