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[quote=GTripp0012;597564]But, considering you didn't mention any of the things that Campbell is actually struggling with, can we just assume you're guessing in the dark?[/quote]

I didn't say they were the accurate issues. I said these were the problems I see with JC. Now again I'm not a coach, but at this point I would be changing out JC to try to make a statement and maybe ignite a fire. that anyone can get benched at this point.

If you see other issues with the QB feel free to share, but don't point out O-line issues when I was simply talking about JC's issues. Unless you don't think JC has issues.

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I think Zorn is gone by noon tomorrow. Whoever we get, I hope they are an absolute asshole, who instills some discipline and work ethic in this group of underachievers.

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[quote=itvnetop;597566]After getting eviscerated by the NBC Sunday night crew, Peter King says Zorn is not on the hotseat- [B]they'd have to find three coaches to fill his three positions (Head and QB coach/playcaller). [/B]

Rodney Harrison said he doesn't understand what the Skins see in JC. Dungy doesn't put it all on JC, but thinks it's definitely a systemic issue within the organization. Patrick called us a fantasy team. Par for the course...[/quote]

That's untrue. Cause we have the OC Smith, and some lame assistant to Zorn as QB coach.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;597599]I think Zorn is gone by noon tomorrow. Whoever we get, I hope they are an absolute asshole, who instills some discipline and work ethic in this group of underachievers.[/quote]

Out of all the HC's mentions I only see a couple that fit your requirements....Cowher and Gruden. Gruden definitly knows the WCO not sure about Cowher.

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Pretty simple if you ask me. Zorn has demonstrated repeatedly that he is not head coach material.

Case and point for the jackasses that dispute every word I type.

Zorn, undisputedly and singlehandedly, cost us 7 points today. We lost by 5 to the worst franchise in the NFL. Nice knowing ya... Learn how to playcall and head coach on someone elses time...

Btw. Snyder, you are an idiot too. You hired a quarterback coach with no playcalling or head coaching experience to run what used to be one of the best franchises in the league. Go sue some more grandmothers you 5 4 piece of shit.

There, I feel slightly better.

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[quote=SBXVII;597594]I didn't say they were the accurate issues. I said these were the problems I see with JC. Now again I'm not a coach, but at this point I would be changing out JC to try to make a statement and maybe ignite a fire. that anyone can get benched at this point.

If you see other issues with the QB feel free to share, but don't point out O-line issues when I was simply talking about JC's issues. Unless you don't think JC has issues.[/quote]How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;597141]Going for it on 4th is the correct call. The play call was completely obvious and uninspired, but you should go for it there. You've got to assume your defense will not give up a 99 yard drive. They are supposed to be "great" right? (Yeah right). Not declining the penalty was completely inexcusable. He should be fired for that alone.

Still, Campbell did not play well. There is absolute no timing or rhythm to his game. He is inconsistent and you cannot absolve him from the problems on this team. The thing is that he is one of many problems. (Chad Rhinehart is not an NFL player and they had to help him all day long (because he was getting beaten the whole first half until they started giving him help on every play). But Campbell played very poorly today. I think you have to come to the conclusion that he is not the long-term answer for this team.[/quote]

The starting QB of any struggling team has to be accountable. Show me a really good QB that can only manage 7 points a game (yes, I discount garbage time TDs). Better QBs have been benched before. He missed a lot of plays out there (out of bounds onthe fade, Moss at the 5, ARE was WIDE open on the INT). His pocket awareness and footwork is awful and any pass he attempts after having to take a few steps are way off.

Rodney Harrison on Football Tonight in America:

"It's the QB. I don't know what they see in Campbell. He's a backup that's been elevated to the status of Starter."

Dungy basically threw the whole organization under the bus, which is obviously the bigger problem. I say start over. We've seen what rookie coaches can do with really good rookie QBs (Jets, Ravens, Falcons). Who's to say we couldn't be a threat next year with a new GM, Coach and QB. Seems to be the rule and not the exception these days.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597605]How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.[/quote]


Ok. Zorn is struggling and Snyder has been struggling for 10 years. If both of them left town tomorrow, I would throw a f-ing party.

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Tom Brady.

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I'd take the first available unemployed head coach over what we've got, and I'd make the change Monday morning. I'd also get rid of Vinnie because he just doesn't add anything to the team. I would even take Brian Billick.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597605]How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.[/quote]

Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597616]Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.[/quote]We should get rid of Campbell, plus any receivers who show promise this year.

We need to be a running team because that's what we were in the 70's and 80's. And the only way to get there is to get rid of all people who have had success throwing and catching the football in their careers.

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Let's also trade for JaMarcus Russell, just so we have no incentive to actually put the ball in the air.

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They brought up a good point this evening on "Sunday Night In America". Zorn isn't going anywhere right now. If you fire him this week, you have to replace him with three guys. A QB coach, OC, and HC.

They also put a lot of blame on Campbell...saying he's a backup QB who doesn't deserve to be a starter. Not quite sure about that, although he isn't championship material.

Tony Dungy feels the problems are on the organizational level (yeah we've been saying that for some time.) Which of course means the only way to ever correct that is to hope Snyder sells the team and the new owner cleans house from top to bottom.

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[quote=itvnetop;597566]After getting eviscerated by the NBC Sunday night crew, Peter King says Zorn is not on the hotseat- they'd have to find three coaches to fill his three positions (Head and QB coach/playcaller).

Rodney Harrison said he doesn't understand what the Skins see in JC. Dungy doesn't put it all on JC, but thinks it's definitely a systemic issue within the organization. Patrick called us a fantasy team. Par for the course...[/quote]

Man I would love Dungy to come be a part of the Redskins. He identifies the issue right away, a systemic issue within the organization. It all starts from up top. Snyder has disgraced this frachise with his reign as owner and made us an unstable, inconsistant, embarrassment. Snyder needs to give up all football decisions to a real GM. Vinny needs to be fired. Snyder's way of fantasy football-like running of this ship has gotten old and it doesnt work. I like our team and our talent on it, but Zorn is not a head coach. I still support Blanche at this point.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597616]Because in the end it's always Jason Campbell's fault apparently.

Poor Campbell, the team should let him walk at the end of this season, the FO doesn't want him, the fans don't like him.[/quote]


It isn't Cambells fault. He has a f-ing unqualified eccentric idiot manning the ship. Norv is 1 billion times better than this god d--- jackass.

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If there's one trade I would make right now, it would be Santana Moss for Michael Bush from the Raiders. Bush is a beast, I think he could be better than Jacobs of the Giants.

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I'd love to know what Zorn is teaching. It seems he has a hang up on foot work and throwing motion, but is he actually teaching anything else?

I'll say again the reason our WR's look like College rejects is cause they have a college coach teaching them. They need a professional WR coach.

I like Buges but I think the league has figured out his system. Other teams seem to get so much more out of no names and we keep getting less. Zone blocking seemed to be what other teams were using while Buges hated it. Maybe I'm way off here.

A DC that knows how to use his talents better. I'm just tired of the whole pass rush from the CB/LB position scheme. I know Blache has tried to incorperate the line this yr, but it looks pathetic.

In a nutshell I'm tired of all the excuses as to why it's not any specific persons fault. We hear it's not the coach's cause the players are not executing. We hear it's not the players cause it's the piss poor play calling. We hear it's not either of those cause Vinny can't get decent people. We hear it's not Vinny's either cause DS can't keep his hands off the team. Is there any other excuse that has not been explored as of yet?

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[quote=GTripp0012;597625]Let's also trade for JaMarcus Russell, just so we have no incentive to actually put the ball in the air.[/quote]

LOL. The way people complain about JC, you'd think he put up Russell's numbers 12-21, 61 yds, 0 tds, 2ints

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The Redskins we all love are going to become the new Lions now. We are pathetic in every facet of the game and I am ashamed to say I am a fan. We GAVE the Lions the game today, we didnt try, execute block or tackle and I am sick. Suck of the offseason, sick of the inseason, sick of the GARBAGE performance we bring to the table each and every week of each and every year. Zorn and Co. got a LOT of lucky breaks last year, leading us the what we deserved, 8-8. Now we are going to be exactly where we belong, 5-11.

We draft shitty, play shitty, and are run shitty. We are the Lions of new so get used to it skins fans.

Hail.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597642]LOL. The way people complain about JC, you'd think he put up Russell's numbers 12-21, 61 yds, 0 tds, 2ints[/quote]Hey, dude is pushing 3 YPA now!

In the second half of the season, he can continue his assault on Andrew Walter's team record.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597634]If there's one trade I would make right now, it would be Santana Moss for Michael Bush from the Raiders. Bush is a beast, I think he could be better than Jacobs of the Giants.[/quote]

That is a dumb trade. If Zorn runs the ball 13 times a game it does matter who is at RB

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597634]If there's one trade I would make right now, it would be Santana Moss for Michael Bush from the Raiders. Bush is a beast, I think he could be better than Jacobs of the Giants.[/quote]

This would be great. CP had got to go as well, he has nothing in it anymore. I would rather see ANYBODY but he and Betts back there, Bush would just be FANTASTIC in comparison to what we have now.

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[quote=Green1;597646]That is a dumb trade. If Zorn runs the ball 13 times a game it does matter who is at RB[/quote]

Have you ever seen Bush play?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597634]If there's one trade I would make right now, it would be Santana Moss for Michael Bush from the Raiders. Bush is a beast, I think he could be better than Jacobs of the Giants.[/quote]

And do what with Clinton Portis? Bench him? Make him the QB? Have him replace Moss? LOL.

The question is will this trump the Campbell/Chris Simms trade suggestion.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597634]If there's one trade I would make right now, it would be Santana Moss for Michael Bush from the Raiders. Bush is a beast, I think he could be better than Jacobs of the Giants.[/quote]

You think Michael Bush is going to turn shotgun draw plays into 4 guys into a touchdown? Adrian Peterson would look like Ladell Betts in this joke of an offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597653]And do what with Clinton Portis? Bench him? Make him the QB? Have him replace Moss? LOL.

The question is will this trump the Campbell/Chris Simms trade suggestion.[/quote]

Portis might be gone next year and is suffering from bone spurs in hia ankles, I'm thinking ahead.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597651]Have you ever seen Bush play?[/quote]

Yeah but if your throwing the ball 40 times a game and the run blocking sucks who can run the ball?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;597655]You think Michael Bush is going to turn shotgun draw plays into 4 guys into a touchdown? [B] Adrian Peterson would look like Ladell Betts in this joke of an offense.[/B][/quote]
ANd this is why we will continue to be awful as old eggs. We refuse to draft young, viable talent to fill in the holes.

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now what....................[B]caps hockey[/B], thur. night. screw the redskins, i'm sick of their lackluster play.

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[quote=Green1;597660]Yeah but if your throwing the ball 40 times a game and the run blocking sucks who can run the ball?[/quote]

That's been the case in only the last 2 games. We need someone that can pound the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597605]How about you start with people who are actually struggling? Since you know, you have to walk before you run.[/quote]

Again I get the feeling you are talking about something other then the QB position. I was simply pointing out that JC has not developed well over 6 yrs. Nothing has changed. We have the same product on the field. You can't say JC is not struggling. I know the failure today is not all JC's fault but he sure did contribute to the problems.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597658]Portis might be gone next year and is suffering from bone spurs in hia ankles, I'm thinking ahead.[/quote]

And how are you fixing the offensive line?

I think if we trade anyone it should be for picks.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597666]And how are you fixing the offensive line?

I think if we trade anyone it should be for picks.[/quote]

Can't do anything about that till next year. We spent too much money on AH and your boy Hall when we should have signed some OL.

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Before this game I would have said package Portis, Moss and Campbell together and ship 'em to Detroit for 1st round picks the next 5 years but even THEY dontr want these chumps now.

God we are bad.

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[quote=wolfeskins;597663]now what....................[B]caps hockey[/B], thur. night. screw the redskins, i'm sick of their lackluster play.[/quote]

Unless something majorly changes I'm with you :) Atleast they are guaranteed some wins.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597668]Can't do anything about that till next year. We spent too much money on AH and your boy Hall when we should have signed some OL.[/quote]

F AH and and BIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG FU to D hall.

You both play like high schoolers.

You make me sick.

Open mouth; insert guns; kill 'selves; profit.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;597668]Can't do anything about that till next year. We spent too much money on AH and your boy Hall when we should have signed some OL.[/quote]

So, how is Michael Bush going to run with no offensive line?

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[quote=SBXVII;597665]Again I get the feeling you are talking about something other then the QB position. I was simply pointing out that JC has not developed well over 6 yrs. Nothing has changed. We have the same product on the field. You can't say JC is not struggling. I know the failure today is not all JC's fault but he sure did contribute to the problems.[/quote]I guess there are about three different lenses at which you can look at Campbell's development. In one light, he hasn't progressed as well as he probably could have under ideal conditions. On a second hand, the improvement has been steady and consistent. On a third, nothing Campbell has done could overcome overall offensive ineptitude.

And yeah, Campbell contributed to the problems today. He also had the kind of day throwing a football against the Lions defense that you would expect from a good QB.

But I wonder, if we can't win with Jason Campbell, exactly how do we win without him? Draft a quarterback and hope to get lucky? It's not like Sanchez would be anything but 1-2 here.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;597661]ANd this is why we will continue to be awful as old eggs. We refuse to draft young, viable talent to fill in the holes.[/quote]


You could handpick every offensive position and Zorn would f it up.

Zorn and Snyder could f up a PB and J.

I have never hated being a Redskins fan until today. I am embarassed.