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[URL="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/chevisjackson.html"][COLOR=#3391b5]Chevis Jackson[/COLOR][/URL] to fall to them in the third, which is risky considering how hard it is to find a quality corner after the 2nd round.

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Chevis Jackson in my mind is not fast enough to be a corner in the NFL, if he can bulk up he could probably make the transition to safety, and be a quality player.

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What do you guys think about the possiblity of the Skins trading up into the early second round to possibly grab a Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed, or Malcolm Kelly? Especially considering that Limas Sweed has a good chance of falling into the early 2nd round.

Or do we reach on a Joe Jurivicious/Kevin Walter type in Jordy Nelson or hope a guy like Jerome Simpson falls to us in the third? Remember the team is probably targeting Tony Hills and Mike McGlynn with that comp selection so lineman lovers fear not. The team will find a quality lineman in the third round

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i think campbell at 21 is a terrible value and only a 50/50 shot at even addressing our DL situation. maybe he's a younger phillip daniels, but that's not really what i want :/.

harvey's safer than merling, and the vikes like him more from what i've seen, so he's pretty much a lock to go 17 at the latest, though stranger things have happened.

either way, we're about 4 picks too late to get a high potential stud, and about 4-7 picks too late to have any real chance at a trade down offer (unless someone is SUPER high on a qb and needs to trade back in, but i don't see something obvious for our pick specifically, so that's probably not a great bet for us).

one of the cb's might make it though, albert might make it... both are better values than campbell. I don't really like ANY of the WRs so far, though hardy may be the one most worthy of taking a flyer on... groves is an okay pick, but he's not a DE. maybe he turns into another merriman, and if that's the case... he's better value than campbell, but i don't know him well since it's not a position of need and i like LBs better in the 2nd round. If he's like willis or lawson or merriman or... then he's a good pick. I'll look into it.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;437886]What do you guys think about the possiblity of the Skins trading up into the early second round to possibly grab a Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed, or Malcolm Kelly? Especially considering that Limas Sweed has a good chance of falling into the early 2nd round.

Or do we reach on a Joe Jurivicious/Kevin Walter type in Jordy Nelson or hope a guy like Jerome Simpson falls to us in the third? Remember the team is probably targeting Tony Hills and Mike McGlynn with that comp selection so lineman lovers fear not. The team will find a quality lineman in the third round[/quote]Avoid Thomas at all costs because he's a guy who couldn't climb his college depth chart for two seasons, then had a really good year in 07 and bolted before he had a chance to be a fluke. That's simply not first day material.

Sweed and Kelly are both good players, but if we were trading up from the 2nd round, the best deal I would offer would be the 2nd, and our 6th rounder. That's only going to move us up a few spots.

I'd rather sit tight at 51 and try to land Manningham, or just pick at a position of greater need if the value isn't good.

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[quote=That Guy;437906]i think campbell at 21 is a terrible value and only a 50/50 shot at even addressing our DL situation. maybe he's a younger phillip daniels, but that's not really what i want :/.

harvey's safer than merling, and the vikes like him more from what i've seen, so he's pretty much a lock to go 17 at the latest, though stranger things have happened.

either way, we're about 4 picks too late to get a high potential stud, and about 4-7 picks too late to have any real chance at a trade down offer (unless someone is SUPER high on a qb and needs to trade back in, but i don't see something obvious for our pick specifically, so that's probably not a great bet for us).

one of the cb's might make it though, albert might make it... both are better values than campbell. I don't really like ANY of the WRs so far, though hardy may be the one most worthy of taking a flyer on... groves is an okay pick, but he's not a DE. maybe he turns into another merriman, and if that's the case... he's better value than campbell, but i don't know him well since it's not a position of need and i like LBs better in the 2nd round. If he's like willis or lawson or merriman or... then he's a good pick. I'll look into it.[/quote]

The thing is that according to Vinny Cerato the front office puts a premnium on guys that the coaching staff has worked with (Fletcher, Smoot, Collins) and since Campbell had his best season with Palimero, the chances are that the front office will very comfortable drafting him. At this point I'm not arguing weather or not Campbell is a good prospect, rather I'm arguing that the chances of the front office taking Campbell on draft day are high. Right now I'd rate it at 70%.

With that said after watching film on Campbell (ie YouTube highlights) I came away impressed. The guy moves very well and seems to make good use of his long arms. He's also pretty good using rip and swim moves as well as redirecting inside when he has to. I also liked how he would lock up against offensive tackles on running plays and ride them until he got to the ball carrier. However the thing that surprised me was how quick and agile he is, which was even more shocking after seeing how stiff he looked during the combine when the defensive lineman were going through drills that tested their lateral movement.

Also Todd McShay said that sports hernias scare teams a lot, though at the same time I heard that Merling would be fully recoverd about a week before the draft. So I wonder, do the Redskins take the safe pick over the guy their familar with from a program they like. On top of that both Mayock and McShay, who spend an awful lot of time talking to team personel have Campbell going in the 1st round which tells me that Campbell is still considered a 1st round pick in many league circles.

The team has also mentioned that they like the depth at corner in the second round and the horde of corners they're bringing in for visits seems to confirm that they like the crop of 2nd round corners. On top of that they've also stated that they don't like the crop of 1st tier recievers and probably won't use a 1st round pick on one. So that leaves DL and OL as possible first round picks, and according to JLC, Blache was promised a D-Lineman early in the draft.

Ironically the selection of the other Campbell at 25 back in 2005 shows that the front office is willing to pull the trigger on guys projected to go in the early second while they're on the clock in the first.

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1. Phillip Merling DE Clemson
2. Limas Sweed- I think he's going to drop all the way into the 2nd. Did not impress in the combines.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=redskinmania;437916]1. Phillip Merling DE Clemson
2. Limas Sweed- I think he's going to drop all the way into the 2nd. Did not impress in the combines.[/QUOTE]

There is no way in Hades, Sheol, or Gehenna that Sweed drops to us in the 2nd round!

He may fall to the 2nd, but not to us all the way at the bottom of the 2nd.

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[B]On the rise[/B]

[B]1. Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU[/B] -- The draft process is grueling for all prospects, but Dorsey's path has proven to be especially arduous. The passing of his grandmother, combined with the Jan. 7 BCS title game pushing back the beginning of his training process, prevented Dorsey from taking part in the workout portion of the combine. Speculation then began to spread regarding a possibly lingering 2006 stress fracture injury that could have sent Dorsey's draft stock free-falling.
Since then, though, many teams have cleared Dorsey medically and his solid all-around showing at LSU's pro day helped ease any concerns regarding a 2007 knee injury. Dorsey has finally come full circle and is once again in the elite tier of talent for 2008.

[B]Draft projection[/B]: Best case is the Rams at No. 2 overall, worst case is the Chiefs at No. 5. The Falcons, who own the third pick, seemingly have the greatest interest in Dorsey at this point while the Raiders would consider him with the fourth pick as well.
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Will Branden Albert be protecting his quarterback as a left tackle in the NFL?


[B]2. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12197"][COLOR=#000000]Branden Albert[/COLOR][/URL], G/OT, Virginia[/B] -- The more film teams watch of Albert the more they seem to think he can play left tackle in the NFL. The early-entry prospect stood on his solid workout times from the combine but really made an impression on coaches and scouts with his nimble feet and natural balance during offensive line drills at Virginia's pro day.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: I still think Albert projects better at guard in the NFL, which explains my mid-first round grade. However, a few teams reportedly view him as the second-best left tackle in this class behind Michigan's [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12044"][COLOR=#000000]Jake Long[/COLOR][/URL] and there is now speculation that Albert could sneak into the top 10 overall.

[B]3. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11562"][COLOR=#000000]Tyrell Johnson[/COLOR][/URL], S, Arkansas State[/B] -- The Sun Belt's all-time career tackles leader has shot up many draft boards by answering questions regarding his speed and athleticism during the postseason process. Johnson (5-foot-11⅞, 202 pounds) turned in one of the most impressive showings among the defensive backs at the combine and built on that momentum with a 39-inch vertical leap, 10-foot-8 broad jump and smooth position-specific workout during Arkansas State's on-campus workout. In a weak safety class Johnson has value on Day 1.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Johnson should be among the top two safeties selected -- competing with [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12142"][COLOR=#000000]Kenny Phillips[/COLOR][/URL] of Miami but ahead of [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=12310&draftyear=2008"][COLOR=#000000]Dejuan Morgan[/COLOR][/URL] of N.C. State -- and most likely comes off the board in the second round.

[B]4. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11983"][COLOR=#000000]Jordy Nelson[/COLOR][/URL], WR, Kansas State[/B] -- Nelson emerged as one of the most productive pass catchers in college football last season with 1,606 yards and 11 scores on 122 receptions. While his 40-yard dash time of 4.51 doesn't do much for his cause, Nelson has shown fluid hips for his size, smooth route-running skills and reliable hands throughout the postseason. The more teams study his improvement as a senior the more infatuated they become with his pro potential.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: It is highly unlikely that Nelson will last until Day 2.

[B]5. [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12160"][COLOR=#000000]Steve Slaton[/COLOR][/URL], RB, West Virginia[/B] -- Slaton's outstanding showing last month at West Virginia's pro day was timely to say the least. The diminutive, oft-injured back is likely to max out a versatile scat back and return man in the NFL, but excellent showings in the 40 (4.42 and 4.45), vertical jump (35 inches), short-shuttle (4.26 seconds) and three-cone drill (6.75 seconds) ease concerns about injuries costing him a step.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Despite a deep crop of running backs, Slaton should come off the board early on Day 2 (third or fourth round) and land with a team in search of a complementary weapon in its running game.


[B]On the slide[/B]

[B]1. DE [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12230"][COLOR=#000000]Phillip Merling[/COLOR][/URL], Clemson[/B] -- Once considered a potential top-10 pick, Merling has seen his stock drop considerably during the draft process. The biggest issue is a recently discovered sports hernia injury which required surgery and prevents him from working out for NFL teams prior to draft weekend. As an early-entry prospect, Merling becomes an even greater risk since NFL teams are already working with limited time and data.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Merling is still a first-rounder but could slip to the bottom portion of the round.

[B]2. QB [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12009"][COLOR=#000000]Brian Brohm[/COLOR][/URL], Louisville[/B] -- Scouts complained that Brohm avoided some of the tougher throws they wanted see during his uninspiring on-campus workout last month. Some teams love his consistency and think he can thrive with the proper supporting cast in the NFL, while others simply think Brohm is too limited physically.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Likely to come off the board early in Round 2. Brohm is competing with [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12045"][COLOR=#000000]Chad Henne[/COLOR][/URL] (Michigan) and [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11486"][COLOR=#000000]Joe Flacco[/COLOR][/URL] (Delaware) to be second quarterback selected behind [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11586"][COLOR=#000000]Matt Ryan[/COLOR][/URL] (Boston College).

[B]3. WR [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11997"][COLOR=#000000]Early Doucet[/COLOR][/URL], LSU[/B] -- Doucet's pedestrian 40 times (4.56 and 4.68) at LSU's pro day verified the lack of deep speed he shows on film.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Among the top eight receivers selected, likely in the early-to-mid second round.

[B]4. OT [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11736"][COLOR=#000000]Sam Baker[/COLOR][/URL], USC[/B] -- Baker battled injuries during a disappointing senior season and the pre-draft process hasn't gone any better. Baker's lack of explosiveness was exposed at the Senior Bowl and he was equally underwhelming at USC's pro day, where he looked sluggish in position-specifics drills and ran times of 5.41 and 5.54 in the 40.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Should be the sixth offensive lineman selected but no longer projects as a first-round pick.

[B]5. RB [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12046"][COLOR=#000000]Mike Hart[/COLOR][/URL], Michigan[/B] -- As expected, Hart has not fared well during the pre-draft process. Declining a Senior Bowl invitation surprised scouts as the week of practice and the game itself would have been a better opportunity to showcase his skills than any workout session. Most recently, Hart opted not to run a 40 at Michigan's pro day, which means he's sticking with combine results of 4.69 and 4.72. He also had a few uncharacteristic drops during receiving drills on campus.
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Best-case scenario is late-third round, but a deep running back class does not help Hart's cause.

[I]Todd McShay is the director of college football scouting for Scouts Inc. He has been evaluating prospects for the NFL draft since 1998.[/I]

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Since we don't need Chad Johnson and can get a good receiver in the draft my first two selection are going to be:

1. Brandon Albert, G, UVA (Solid lineman)

2. De'cody Fagg, WR, Florida State (This guy will make all of the CJ lovers thank their lucky stars that we didn't trade for him)

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Does anyone recognize the guys at the start of this video :D

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Anyway I guess I'll take a stab at a Redskins Mock in light of the new information given to us by JLC.

1st - Trade to Falcons for 2-6 and 3-3 (The Skin's might be the lowest bidder for Atlanta to get back into the 1st round so they can take Brian Brohm)

2-6 - Trevor Laws - DT - Notre Dame [I](Vinny says: "So to add some more pass rush up the middle would be something we'd look at.")[/I]

2-21 - Brandon Flowers - CB - Virginia Tech (Heard that his 40 time has him dropping to the late 2nd early 3rd) [I](Vinny says: "Cornerback is deep, but not at the top of the draft")[/I]

3-3 - Duane Brown - T/G - Virginia Tech [I](Vinny says: "We're looking for a young lineman who can play center-guard or guard-tackle. You want to develop someone.")[/I]

3-21 - Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia [I](Vinny says: "A backup fullback to Mike Sellers is also a need because the West Coast offense requires more depth at fullback") [/I]

3-33 - Marcus Monk - WR - Arkansas [I](Vinny says: "Receivers are strong in the second or third round.")[/I] (Don't worry I'm not crazy, apparently Monk has been working his way up draft boards lately and at this point I figure that Nelson and Simpson are both gone)

5th - Jamar Adams - S - Michigan
6th - Rudolph Hardie - DE - Howard
7th - Andrew Crummey - C/G - Maryland
7th Comp - Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State
7th Comp - Kyle Wright - QB - Miami

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;438453]Since we don't need Chad Johnson and can get a good receiver in the draft my first two selection are going to be:

1. Brandon Albert, G, UVA (Solid lineman)

2. De'cody Fagg, WR, Florida State (This guy will make all of the CJ lovers thank their lucky stars that we didn't trade for him)[/QUOTE]

You were sober for the first pick, and then hit the pipe before the second one.

You must be related to De'cody, because that the only way that anyone would suggest that he be taken that high.

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This, at this point, has nothing to do with the Redskins but I thought I'd just put it out there that the Broncos reportedly really want to trade down out of the #12 spot.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;438556]You were sober for the first pick, and then hit the pipe before the second one.

You must be related to De'cody, because that the only way that anyone would suggest that he be taken that high.[/quote]

Actually it was just a goof to get the Chad Johnson lovers riled up. None of them fell for it.


Fagg...(no laughing)...suffered a possible career ending injury catching balls at the combine. It's just a jab saying that lame wide out would be a better acquisition for the Skins than CJ would.

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[QUOTE=Skinny Tee;438564]Actually it was just a goof to get the Chad Johnson lovers riled up. None of them fell for it.


Fagg...(no laughing)...suffered a possible career ending injury catching balls at the combine. It's just a jab saying that lame wide out would be a better acquisition for the Skins than CJ would.[/QUOTE]

In retrospect, I chuckle.

:)

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;438560]This, at this point, has nothing to do with the Redskins but I thought I'd just put it out there that the Broncos reportedly really want to trade down out of the #12 spot.[/QUOTE]

If we were to land the 12th spot, what would we be comfortable giving up and who would we(you) take at 12th overall?

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;438583]If we were to land the 12th spot, what would we be comfortable giving up and who would we(you) take at 12th overall?[/quote]

Well considering the flavor the week is Offensive Line the guys the team would be looking at is Chris Williams (T/G Vanderbilt) who Joe Bugel is really high on, and Branden Albert (thats right SkinsFanSince91, jk but that is who they'd probably target at the 12th spot should they move up).

The price is probably a 1st and a 2nd, but with that said it would be harder to fill other needs down the line. Personally I would really prefer a trade down, but at the same time I wouldn't complain if we got a versitle OL prospect that could really prevent a drop in LT play should Samuals ever go down (knock on wood to ward off evil spirits) while at the same time provide a viable starting option at LG or RG.

Jeff Otah (T Pitt) is also a possiblity, as he seems to have the size to play Guard but I haven't heard anything about his potential to move inside.

Also Malcolm Kelly's stock just dropped BIGGGGGG TIME today. It's possible that he could be available when we pick in the 2nd round. I'd label the odds at 45% for now.

[B]Oklahoma (April 9)[/B]

Twenty-five NFL teams sent representatives to Norman, Okla., to see four key players in a follow-up to last month's school pro day. Prospects worked out indoors on Field Turf. And as an added quirk to the event, the person throwing passes in the position drills was a former quarterback from arch-rival Nebraska -- Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch. Bengals WR coach Mike Sheppard ran the receiving drills and Bengals assistant DB coach Louis Cioffi ran the DB drills for Smith and Walker......

» TE Joe Jon Finley (6-6 3/8, 252: Ran the 40 in 4.85 and 4.86, had a 31 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.16 short shuttle, 7.11 cone drill, ran position drills and kept everything else from the combine.

[B]» WR Malcolm Kelly (6-3 7/8, 227): Ran the 40 in 4.75 and 4.68, had a 32-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.24 short shuttle, 7.00 cone drill, and ran position drills. Kelly looked very good.[/B]

» DB Reggie Smith (6-0 1/8, 192): Ran the 40 in 4.65 and 4.61, had a 39 ½-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.03 short shuttle, 6.70 cone drill, ran position drills.

» CB Marcus Walker (5-10 3/8, 194): Ran the 40 in 4.65 and 4.62, had a 37-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.10 short shuttle, 6.90 cone drill, ran position drills.

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Possibly Ryan Clady as well at 12.

I'd rather trade down though. I know I've spoken a lot about Atlanta, but another one would be trading down with Jacksonville (although we're actually going after many of the same players supposedly) and picking up their #26 overall pick as well as their high 3rd.

So let's say we did that and went something along the lines of

1. DE Merling (if the Jags haven't taken him at #21)
2. WR (best available)
3. OL McGlynn/Hill
3. OL Scheuning
3. DT Harrison
5. DB Bowman

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1. Devin Thomas
2. Calaias Campbell

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[quote=Dirtbag359;438420][B]2. QB [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12009"][COLOR=#000000]Brian Brohm[/COLOR][/URL], Louisville[/B] -- Scouts complained that Brohm avoided some of the tougher throws they wanted see during his uninspiring on-campus workout last month. Some teams love his consistency and think he can thrive with the proper supporting cast in the NFL, [SIZE=4]while others simply think Brohm is too limited physically.[/SIZE]
[B]Draft projection[/B]: Likely to come off the board early in Round 2. Brohm is competing with [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12045"][COLOR=#000000]Chad Henne[/COLOR][/URL] (Michigan) and [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11486"][COLOR=#000000]Joe Flacco[/COLOR][/URL] (Delaware) to be second quarterback selected behind [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11586"][COLOR=#000000]Matt Ryan[/COLOR][/URL] (Boston College).[/quote]Are their really Scouts on an NFL team payroll so old and crusty to think that Brian Brohm is too limited physically? Chad 'freaking Pennington is about as physically limited as QBs come, and he's a career 88.9 rated Passer.

Brohm plays a position where physical limitations (save, perhaps height in order to see the field) are a complete myth.

My gut says McShay is BSing here, but if he's not, some team better start cleaning house on it's scouting staff, because they ain't drafting the right guys this season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;438630]1. Devin Thomas
2. Calaias Campbell[/quote]Thomas is overrated garbage. 1 year JUCO, <100yds receiving his Sophomore year, breaks out as a junior with 79 catches, and bolts before people realize his season was a fluke. Stay far, far, far away from Thomas.

Of course Quake, if we could land Campbell with the 51st pick...this could still be a solid draft even if the first round pick was a bust :D

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[quote=Dirtbag359;438623]

[B]» WR Malcolm Kelly (6-3 7/8, 227): Ran the 40 in 4.75 and 4.68, had a 32-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.24 short shuttle, 7.00 cone drill, and ran position drills. Kelly looked very good.[/B]
[/quote]

with people running 4.3's jumping 40 inches, long jumping 11 feet+ and hitting 4.0 shuttle and 6.6 in 3cone, that's an absolutely terrible pro day right there. that REALLY would change his place on my draft board, and it wouldn't be for "looking good".

New Mock Draft: Because I Can
 

1-21 - Trade with Falcons for 2-6 and 3-3 to prevent Dolphins from grabing the top QB prospect at top of the 2nd round. Most likely Chad Henne or Brian Brohm. This could just as easily be a trade with the other Indian team in Kansas City. Ironically that would lead us with an earlier 2nd pick but a slightly later 3rd. Basically whoever loses out on Ryan will possibly try to move up into the 1st round to make sure the Dolphins or the Packers don't select the QB they want. The Ravens are also a possiblity at this point.

2-6 - Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma - The team covets Kelly, and due to his drop in stock they have a hard time passing a guy like Kelly falling this far in the draft

2-20 - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - Blache gets his DT complete with his ability to collapse the pocket and get into the backfield

3-3 - Duane Brown - T/G - Virginia Tech - Per NFL.com[I] "The only thing that worries scouts about Brown is his learning ability, which could be an issue at the pro level. A coach that will both light his fire but bring him along slowly while revamping his technique might find gold with Brown."[/I] If that doesn't say Joe Bugel I don't know what does. This pick could also be a corner like Charles Godfrey out of Iowa if Brown is gone

3-21 - Owen Schmitt - FB/RB - West Virginia - The best player available and if the team ends up trading Betts then this would be an excellent pick.

3-33 - Zach Bowman - CB - Nebraska - The front office gets a potential first round talent that might be able to hold down the fort until either he develops or the Redskins can find a better prospect next year. They could also take a chance with a less known guy like Dwight Lowery.

5-21 - Wallace Gilbert - DE - Alabama - Team finds a potentail replacement for Phillip Daniels at LDE

Thats all for today

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#21- TALIB

I LIKE HIM AND A HEALTHY ROGERS/SMOOT for the future with WEAPON X LANDRY holding it down!

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1st- Branden Albert OG Virginia
2nd- Malcom Kelly, or Jordy Nelson WR
3rd- Reggie Smith CB/S Oklahoma
3rd- Marcus Howard DE/OLB Georgia or Calais Cambell if he falls this far
5th- Adrien Arrington WR Mich
6th- Colt Brennen QB Hawaii
7th- Corey Lynch S Ap. St
7th- Alvin Bowan
7th-another D-lineman

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/10/groves-had-heart-surgery/]ProFootballTalk.com - GROVES HAD HEART SURGERY[/url]

Some peopel have us selecting DE, Groves out of Auburn in the draft. I think this bit of news hurts his draft stock.

They say this surgury shouldn't affect him but I still wouldn't take that chance in the first round.

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I think that if the Redskins trade back into the draft then a guy they'll look at in the early third will be Kendall Langford, which would give Blache that relentless interior pass rusher that he wants, while Duane Brown would give Bugel the type of lineman with enough upside to make him crazy. For example we could easily see a draft that looks like

Early 2nd - Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma
2-20 - Duane Brown - T/G - Virginia Tech
Early 3rd - Kendall Langford - DT/DE - Hampton
3-21 - Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
3 comp - Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
Early 5th - Corey Lynch - S - App State
5-21 - Chad Rhinehart - G/T - Northern Iowa
6-20 - Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
7-21 - Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State

The same thing could happen at 21, though instead the team would wait until the 5th round to select a corner or they'll add a stop gap some time after the draft.

Also I think this might have been posted elsewhere, but I don't think it hurts to post it again.

[B]Cardinal rules[/B]

[B]Brohm likely to be No. 2 QB taken in draft; more mail[/B]

Posted: Tuesday April 8, 2008 12:39PM; Updated: Thursday April 10, 2008 11:47AM

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Louisville's Brian Brohm had a career-high 12 interceptions in 2007, but balanced it with a personal-best 30 touchdown passes.
Gary Bogdon/SI


[IMG]http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif[/IMG][B]MAILBAG[/B]
[B]Peter King will answer your questions each week in Monday Morning Quarterback: Tuesday Edition.[/B]
[IMG]http://i.cnn.net/si/images/1.gif[/IMG]With the draft 18 days away, the two questions I'm hearing everywhere are these: Who will be the second QB taken and how high will he go?
Answer: Louisville's [B]Brian Brohm[/B], and I think a team will have to be selecting in the 20s to get him.

There are actually three QB candidates to be chosen after likely top-five pick [B]Matt Ryan[/B] of Boston College. Brohm is the clear favorite, followed by Michigan's [B]Chad Henne[/B] (he has an NFL-type release right now) and Delaware's [B]Joe Flacco[/B] (who has the biggest Howitzer in the draft). Now, the reason Brohm is inching up the charts from his high-second-round status of the postseason is because more and more teams -- like quarterback-needy Atlanta and Baltimore -- have been going to school on Brohm. They realize they were a little hasty in knocking him down from his top-five-in-the-draft level of 2007.

A year ago Brohm chose to stay in school for his senior season instead of coming out and getting picked high in the first round. And all anyone saw on Brohm's 2007 résumé were flaws. Product of the system. Robotic. Not nimble in the pocket. Still, under new coach [B]Steve Kragthorpe[/B], Brohm had his best all-around season, completing 65.1 percent of his passes and throwing for 30 touchdowns while the Louisville defense and running game struggled mightily. As one GM said to me at the NFL meetings last week in Florida, "I think we picked him apart too much last year." I agree. How can a guy be a round worse when he does what everyone in the NFL tells juniors -- stay in school? He not only stayed, he played well, albeit on a 6-6 team.

I think what you're going to see two Saturdays from now is a team like the Ravens, Falcons or Chiefs trade up from their perch high in the second round to try to get Brohm, assuming none of the three take Ryan earlier in the first round. The team that has the most ammunition to move up from a high-second-round perch is Atlanta, with six picks between 34 and 103. Plus, Brohm has impressed the Falcons in predraft film study; offensive coordinator [B]Mike Mularkey[/B], in particular, is said to be a Brohm fan.
Now onto your emails...

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Interesting to see someone mention that Carlos Rogers has lived up to expectations. It makes me wonder if the disdain for Carlos Rogers has to do more with us passing up Shawn Meriman than Rogers actual performance.

Also found these
[url=http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/02/16/carlos-rogers-x-factor-revisited/]Hog Heaven | MVN - Most Valuable Network » Blog Archive » Carlos Rogers: “X” Factor, Revisited[/url]
[url=http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2007/07/24/carlos-rogers-the-x-factor-of-the-2007-redskins/]Hog Heaven | MVN - Most Valuable Network » Blog Archive » Carlos Rogers: The “X” Factor of the 2007 Redskins[/url]

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
[B]Grade:[/B] 62 | [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209"]Key[/URL]
[B]Alert:[/B] None

[B]Comment: [/B]The 2005 first-round draft choice has lived up to expectations and continues to develop, starting 20 of 27 games over his first two seasons and gaining confidence with each repetition. He has long arms that he effectively uses to jam receivers out of their release in press coverage, knocking them off their routes and disrupting timing. He has loose hips that are fluid in transition in off coverage and the speed to turn and run vertically with wide receivers on deep balls. He has strong ball skills and can adjust to bad passes as well as track deep throws. He is able to snatch the ball or knock it down using his wingspan. His good technique and anticipation serve him well because he lacks the extra gear to run with elite receivers and does not have great recovery speed if out of position. As good as he is in man coverage, he is too soft in zone coverage at times and allows receivers too much room. That can be a problem because he likes to peek into the backfield and is susceptible to biting on play-action. When he guesses wrong he is not a good open-field tackler. Rogers could add size to his frame, but he has the athleticism to handle coverage assignments and the overall skills to have a long career.

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Those "Hog Heaven" articles were written by our very own GTripp

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;438650]Thomas is overrated garbage. 1 year JUCO, <100yds receiving his Sophomore year, breaks out as a junior with 79 catches, and bolts before people realize his season was a fluke. Stay far, far, far away from Thomas.

Of course Quake, if we could land Campbell with the 51st pick...this could still be a solid draft even if the first round pick was a bust :D[/QUOTE]

i thought the same thing about Thomas but something makes me want him

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;439438]Those "Hog Heaven" articles were written by our very own GTripp[/QUOTE]

that is cool

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I've just about had it with JLC's blog. It used to be a great source but right now it's at the point where I can learn more about the Skins on ES (aka the neverending sea of pointless threads).

And personally I love ES these days. Kids over there are so quick to click on the New Thread button, it's hilarious. Some of my personal favorites playing right now:
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244182"][COLOR=#ff9900]If Kenny Phillips gets drafted by a division rival(21 related)[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238518"][COLOR=#ff9900]Chris Wilson future Pro Bowl sack specialist?[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244215"][COLOR=#ff9900]Check Out my Mock Draft...give me your thoughts[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243858"][COLOR=#ff9900]Will Zorn win an NFC East game in '08?[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244054"][COLOR=#ff9900]If The Skins Had The 1st Overall Pick[/COLOR][/URL] - Smootsmack!! You didn't!!!
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244276"][COLOR=#ff9900]This is the best year to take a QB in the Draft!!!!![/COLOR][/URL]

Anyway heres more of the neverending bitching from JLC's blog. The post is so bad it doesn't really deserve it's own thread. Hell it doesn't really belong in this thread but one post in a 'sideways 8' page thread can't hurt. Can it?

[B](JLC's Blog Is) In The Tank[/B]

In a blog recently concerning the Redskins' spending, I made reference to owner Daniel Snyder's other businesses being "in the tank."
David Donovan, the Redskins' General Counsel, took issue with this and sent a letter to washingtonpost.com and The Washington Post complaining that the statement unfairly and inaccurately characterized Snyder's business acumen.
The businesses I had in mind were those with prominent local ties - his Red Zebra radio stations, and Six Flags theme parks. I was not referring to any of Mr. Snyder's other businesses. My opinion was based on the fact that Red Zebra's Arbitron ratings have been poor and fans have complained about its weak signals, particularly during broadcasts of Redskins games. As for Six Flags, its stock price fell from around $12 a share to less than $2 a share after Snyder led a hostile takeover of the company in 2005, installing a new CEO and winning shareholder approval to oust the existing directors.
Mr. Donovan counters that "Red Zebra has continued to expand in an industry in which other companies are shedding stations and expects to achieve double-digit growth during 2008 and 2009." He also says that Mr. Snyder neither owns nor manages Six Flags - he is "a stockholder and non-managing Chairman of the Board" so it is therefore not his business.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;439561]I've just about had it with JLC's blog. It used to be a great source but right now it's at the point where I can learn more about the Skins on ES (aka the neverending sea of pointless threads).

And personally I love ES these days. Kids over there are so quick to click on the New Thread button, it's hilarious. Some of my personal favorites playing right now:
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244182"][COLOR=#ff9900]If Kenny Phillips gets drafted by a division rival(21 related)[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238518"][COLOR=#ff9900]Chris Wilson future Pro Bowl sack specialist?[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244215"][COLOR=#ff9900]Check Out my Mock Draft...give me your thoughts[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243858"][COLOR=#ff9900]Will Zorn win an NFC East game in '08?[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244054"][COLOR=#ff9900]If The Skins Had The 1st Overall Pick[/COLOR][/URL] - Smootsmack!! You didn't!!!
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244276"][COLOR=#ff9900]This is the best year to take a QB in the Draft!!!!![/COLOR][/URL]

Anyway heres more of the neverending bitching from JLC's blog. The post is so bad it doesn't really deserve it's own thread. Hell it doesn't really belong in this thread but one post in a 'sideways 8' page thread can't hurt. Can it?

[B](JLC's Blog Is) In The Tank[/B]

In a blog recently concerning the Redskins' spending, I made reference to owner Daniel Snyder's other businesses being "in the tank."
David Donovan, the Redskins' General Counsel, took issue with this and sent a letter to washingtonpost.com and The Washington Post complaining that the statement unfairly and inaccurately characterized Snyder's business acumen.
The businesses I had in mind were those with prominent local ties - his Red Zebra radio stations, and Six Flags theme parks. I was not referring to any of Mr. Snyder's other businesses. My opinion was based on the fact that Red Zebra's Arbitron ratings have been poor and fans have complained about its weak signals, particularly during broadcasts of Redskins games. As for Six Flags, its stock price fell from around $12 a share to less than $2 a share after Snyder led a hostile takeover of the company in 2005, installing a new CEO and winning shareholder approval to oust the existing directors.
Mr. Donovan counters that "Red Zebra has continued to expand in an industry in which other companies are shedding stations and expects to achieve double-digit growth during 2008 and 2009." He also says that Mr. Snyder neither owns nor manages Six Flags - he is "a stockholder and non-managing Chairman of the Board" so it is therefore not his business.[/QUOTE]

Hot damn! I had no idea about that ES thread! I haven't read ES in weeks.

The Six Flags thing while technically true (not really being his business) it still seems a bit like a cop-out

As for Red Zebra, they will probably very soon announce some new additions to their station lineup in the DC area that will make them very potent

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Anyway, back to the thread right now I'm thinking

1. Merling or Campbell
2. Best available receiver

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;438944]1st- Branden Albert OG Virginia
2nd- Malcom Kelly, or Jordy Nelson WR
3rd- Reggie Smith CB/S Oklahoma
3rd- Marcus Howard DE/OLB Georgia or Calais Cambell if he falls this far
5th- Adrien Arrington WR Mich
6th- Colt Brennen QB Hawaii
7th- Corey Lynch S Ap. St
7th- Alvin Bowan
7th-another D-lineman[/QUOTE]

This is the best mock draft I have seen so far.

Props!

Its just that B. Albert may not fall that far to us anymore. So Who would you put in his place now, and how would that affect the rest of your draft?

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[quote=SmootSmack;439683]Anyway, back to the thread right now I'm thinking

1. Merling or Campbell
2. Best available receiver[/quote]1. Albert, Merling, Chris Willams, Trevor Laws, L. Jackson, Calais Campbell in that order.
2. Anyone who falls well past their draft slot at the following positions: CB, S, DT, DE, OG, OT, WR.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;440080]1. Albert, Merling, Chris Willams, Trevor Laws, L. Jackson, Calais Campbell in that order.
2. Anyone who falls well past their draft slot at the following positions: CB, S, DT, DE, OG, OT, WR.[/QUOTE]

Ok, so now this iwaht I am thinking about the draft

1. Quentin Groves/Godser Cherilus/Chris Williams
2. Jordy Nelson/Trevor Laws/Calais Campbell

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So this morning I was telling Matty (Matty and I talked a lot this morning) that rumors around here and Redskins Park were that Kelly might even be available late in round 2...and then BAM! He reportedly runs a 4.63 and a 4.66 in his private pro day.

He bitched and moaned only to drop from a 4.68 to a 4.63 (at best)? He's plumetting

So we can go

1. Merling
2. Kelly

or if Merling isn't there, we can possibly trade down out of the first round and into the early second and get Campbell or Jackson. Next Saturday is going to be fun

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;440152]So this morning I was telling Matty (Matty and I talked a lot this morning) that rumors around here and Redskins Park were that Kelly might even be available late in round 2...and then BAM! He reportedly runs a 4.63 and a 4.66 in his private pro day.

He bitched and moaned only to drop from a 4.68 to a 4.63 (at best)? He's plumetting

So we can go

1. Merling
2. Kelly

or if Merling isn't there, we can possibly trade down out of the first round and into the early second and get Campbell or Jackson. Next Saturday is going to be fun[/QUOTE]


Yes, it will be my friend. With 9 picks, yes, it will be.

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Interesting article from [URL="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com"]NFL Draft Countdown[/URL]. Personally I don't consider them the best source for information on prospects but they do provide very manageable info as well as college stats for all four years, which to me is a huge reason why I frequently visit their site. Anyway I thought it was funny that some of the players the Redskins were looking at were being compared to current Redskin players.

[B][U]Quarterbacks[/U][/B]

Matt Ryan - Matt Hasselbeck
Brian Brohm - Marc Bulger
Joe Flacco - Ben Roethlisberger
Chad Henne - Jon Kitna
André Woodson - David Carr
J.D. Booty - Brian Griese

[B][U]Running Backs[/U][/B]

Darren McFadden - Edgerrin James
Jonathan Stewart - Jamal Lewis
Rashard Mendenhall - Shaun Alexander
Felix Jones - Brian Westbrook
Chris Johnson - Tatum Bell
Ray Rice - Travis Henry
[B]Matt Forté - Ladell Betts - Redskins are currently looking into him[/B]
Kevin Smith - Chris Brown
Jamaal Charles - Willie Parker

[B][U]Fullbacks[/U][/B]

Peyton Hillis - Brian Leonard
Owen Schmitt - Mike Karney
Jacob Hester - Nick Goings

[B][U]Wide Receivers[/U][/B]

Devin Thomas - Javon Walker
Limas Sweed - Larry Fitzgerald
DeSean Jackson - Ted Ginn
James Hardy - Plaxico Burress
Mario Manningham - Isaac Bruce
Malcolm Kelly - Dwyane Jarrett

[B][U]Tight Ends[/U][/B]

[B]Dustin Keller - Chris Cooley - err not really looking but still interesting[/B]
John Carlson - Anthony Becht
Martellus Bennett - Marcedes Lewis
Fred Davis - Chris Baker

[B][U]Offensive Tackles[/U][/B]

Jake Long - Jamaal Brown
Ryan Clady - Jason Peters
Jeff Otah - Kareem McKenzie
Gosder Cherilus - Jonas Jennings
[B]Chris Williams - Chris Samuels[/B]

[B][U]Offensive Guards[/U][/B]

Branden Albert - Vernon Carey
[B]Chilo Rachal - Derrick Dockery[/B]
Roy Schuening - Steve Neal

[B][U]Centers[/U][/B]

Mike Pollak - Hank Fraley
Jeremy Zuttah - Chris Chester


D[U]efensive Ends[/U]

Chris Long - Mike Vrabel
Vernon Gholston - Shawne Merriman
Derrick Harvey - Will Smith
Phillip Merling - Trevor Pryce
Calais Campbell - Tommy Kelly
Quentin Groves - LaMarr Woodley
Lawrence Jackson - Kenechi Udeze

[B][U]Defensive Tackles[/U][/B]

Glenn Dorsey - Anthony McFarland
Sedrick Ellis - Casey Hampton
Kentwan Balmer - Vonnie Holliday
Trevor Laws - Chris Hovan

[B][U]Outside Linebackers[/U][/B]

Keith Rivers - Derrick Johnson
Erin Henderson - E.J. Henderson
Cliff Avril - Shaun Phillips
Xavier Adibi - Demorrio Williams

[B][U]Inside Linebackers[/U][/B]

Jerod Mayo - Al Wilson
Dan Connor - Paul Posluszny
Curtis Lofton - David Harris

[B][U]Cornerbacks[/U][/B]

D. Rodgers-Cromartie - Antonio Cromartie
Leodis McKelvin - Philip Buchanon
[B]Mike Jenkins - Carlos Rogers[/B]
Antoine Cason - Antrel Rolle
Aqib Talib - Chris McAlister

[B][U]Safeties[/U][/B]

Kenny Phillips - Chris Hope
Reggie Smith - Brodney Pool
DaJuan Morgan - Sean Jones
Tyrell Johnson - Daniel Manning

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So DRC reminds them of his cousin? Erin Henderson reminds them of his brother? Fascinating