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[quote=SunnySide;1237332]Really? Thats surprising. He has been better than expected and can hold his own but I dont see him really move guys back or turning guys etc.

re this week, I looked up his snap count bc I know Christina played a good bit and found this.

Offensive Line (Team)- The team literally gained almost the exact same number of rushing yards after contact as they did total rushing yards (52 vs. 54 yards), which is not a good look for the O-line at all. The line was, at least, able to pave the way for first down runs on two of the team’s three short-yardage rushes.

Haskins was pressured on 32.6% of his dropbacks, which is not good, but isn’t a horrible showing, either. [B]The problem was that the team gave up a season-high tying 6 sacks. Now the line wasn’t actually credited with allowing any of those sacks,[/B] but they certainly at least played some role in all of them.
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/11/19/20965534/skins-stats-snaps-jets-redskins-offense[/url]

6 sacks and none credited to any O line player? Seems odd. I now wonder how they determine who does and does not get credited w a sack.

Good for Donald.[/quote]

Good to see some data back what I'm seeing from Trey Quinn, from the link:

Trey Quinn- The Skins’ slot man was thrown at four times, but only ended up with 2 receptions for 9 yards. To make matters worse, one of those two incompletions ended up being picked off at Washington’s own 14-yard line. The lone bright spot for Quinn was that he scored on a two-point conversion in the fourth quarter; it was his first two-pointer as a pro.

I’ve been telling you how bad Quinn has been from an efficiency standpoint for weeks now. This time around, I thought I would change things up by not just telling you his rankings in a bunch of metrics, but by instead comparing him directly with the other efficiency cellar dwellers. Quinn and the four other players in the table below are the worst I could find. refer to the link, its terrible


I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...

Re: QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

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I like the mullet, but this aint working out. Another Gruden Guy...[/quote]

How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237337]Tua to me has the potential to be a special player. I know he has had injuries but if you're the Redskins you can't pass on him if he is still there at 2 or 3. You have to punt on Haskins because Tua is the better player. You do exactly what the Cards did, maybe get a mid round pick and move on. If a new regime has the final say then it could happen. If Dan just hires someone who doesn't have final say, which will probably be the case then so be it.[/quote]

You really think with the Redskin's history they should be drafting a player that is coming off a dislocated hip? That is a pretty strange injury for a young football player to get.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237340]How much hate and criticism can we really give Mr. Irrellevant? The fact he wasnt cut in training camp year 1 means he surpassed expectations. I think it speaks more regarding the other guys on the receiving corps tbh. Its like making fun of Ethan Albright.

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If Mac Jones lights it up or plays well for Bama .... doesnt that kinda ding Tua's stock? I mean, the QB for Ohio State is lighting it up this year as well. 31 td to 1 int.

Also, any chance he comes back to bama (does he have another eligible year)?[/quote]

True but he was hyped by the media as well as the coaches...including gruden. I’m not making fun, just pointing out it’s foolish to have him on the field. Actually it’s negligent

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237341]You really think with the Redskin's history they should be drafting a player that is coming off a dislocated hip? That is a pretty strange injury for a young football player to get.[/quote]

Good point. It would be a huge gamble if they pull it off. But the best case scenario is Haskins improves and plays better.

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I think that we need to see if we can trade Trent Williams and see what we get before we make a decision on what to do in the draft. Let's say for example we get a second round pick for Trent. Then we can take Young if we know that we can replace Trent with the second from the Trent deal. If we don't trade Trent then I would trade down if we get a great offer because one player is not going to help with all of the needs we have. I wouldn't trade very far though.

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Trading down is so hard to plan for or be yay/nay for until the trade actually happens. Because if we get an RG3 type haul, trading down is the only choice. But if it's for like an additional 2nd, I'd be livid we didn't get Young or Thomas. Getting a stud is never bad.

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I’m not in favor of trading down UNLESS they are doing it to get Tua. We need elite talent in key positions. You get elite talent with a #2 pick.

Our defense has good and very good players but is horribly coached. Draft the BPA in Chase Young, dump Norman (CB) and Moreau (CB) AND get a very good DC and this defense could be in the top 10 -IN ONE YEAR.

Offense has many problems. If they decide Haskins is not the man OR will take far too long to mature, then trade down for more picks and then draft Tua. Dangerous strategy because of Tua’s injury. Trade down too far and we may not get TUA, who is falling to the second round.

Trade TW. Use the trade down pick in first round for the best OT. We need two with Trent gone and Moses let go. Use the SE one round for Tua. Use the other second or third from trading TW for another OL.

I’d say go for BPA ( Chase Young), then draft very heavily for OL players. Trade all of our dead weight FA - Norman, Richardson, Moses, TW, Kerrigan, Scherff.


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[quote=Warthog;1237367]I’m not in favor of trading down UNLESS they are doing it to get Tua. We need elite talent in key positions. You get elite talent with a #2 pick.

Our defense has good and very good players but is horribly coached. Draft the BPA in Chase Young, dump Norman (CB) and Moreau (CB) AND get a very good DC and this defense could be in the top 10 -IN ONE YEAR.

Offense has many problems. If they decide Haskins is not the man OR will take far too long to mature, then trade down for more picks and then draft Tua. Dangerous strategy because of Tua’s injury. Trade down too far and we may not get TUA, who is falling to the second round.

Trade TW. Use the trade down pick in first round for the best OT. We need two with Trent gone and Moses let go. Use the SE one round for Tua. Use the other second or third from trading TW for another OL.

I’d say go for BPA ( Chase Young), then draft very heavily for OL players. Trade all of our dead weight FA - Norman, Richardson, Moses, TW, Kerrigan, Scherff.


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Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better.

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237370]Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better.

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th[/quote]

A bonafide stud franchise QB may be the only thing that can transcend the incompetence of this organization. You dont get many chances to pick from the cream of the crop QBs and if Burrow and/or Tua grade out high ... how can you pass up on that?

To take a Chase Young would be great but then you still need a FO that can build and hit on other pieces as well. We dont have a FO that can go 7/10 in personnel decisions. As we are seeing now, perhaps investing heavy in the front 4 doesnt allow you to carry a less invested secondary.

IDK .. i think a stub QB masks more problems than a stud pass rusher.

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Tua has had multiple injuries now, I am not sold that he can stay healthy so he's a no.

Burrow is great THIS YR but so was Haskins last yr so that's a wash IMO.

Joe is more accurate but Haskins has the better arm talent. Both are about the same on mobility.

There is no need to give up on Dwayne yet, I understand we wanted him to come in and light it up but he's got a shitty cast around him at WR in all honesty. Teams are doubling Terry now because they know he's the only legit option.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1237370][B]Again, drafting a QB makes zero sense. Tua, Burrow or whoever isn't going to come in and make this shitty team any better[/B].

Draft Chase Young and trade Kerrigan for a 4th or 5th[/quote]

Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237376]A bonafide stud franchise QB may be the only thing that can transcend the incompetence of this organization. You dont get many chances to pick from the cream of the crop QBs and if Burrow and/or Tua grade out high ... how can you pass up on that?

To take a Chase Young would be great but then you still need a FO that can build and hit on other pieces as well. We dont have a FO that can go 7/10 in personnel decisions. As we are seeing now, perhaps investing heavy in the front 4 doesnt allow you to carry a less invested secondary.

IDK .. i think a stub QB masks more problems than a stud pass rusher.[/quote]

Bingo. You can take Chase Young out of the game, or neutralize him. A great pass rusher doesn't impact the game like a QB can. I'd like to have Young, no doubt, but give me a potentially great QB that can turn it around. Look at what Lamar Jackson is doing? Put Flacco back on Baltimore and they're just an average team, maybe a Wild Card and done. Insert Jackson and they're a SB contender. Jackson is what RG3 was supposed to be for us.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237387]Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.[/quote]

Murray is also in a very QB friendly system with quick reads and RPO action due to his speed, he would be screwed in our system since we do not use RPO's.

I'd rather have Haskins over Tua, seriously the dude is made of glass, yeah he's accurate but if you are injury prone that doesn't matter.

If a team wants Haskins for a 1st then sure lets do it but that won't happen. Keep him and see what he can do

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[quote=skinsfan69;1237387]Two questions. Would you agree or disagree that we are in a similar situation as the Cardinals were last year? Second, has Murray helped the Cardinals become a competitive team? I would say yes to both and that is why it makes sense.

Burrow and Tua (more so Tua w/ me) I feel are two guys that could come in and make a team like ours competitive. Right now we are not competitive. But like I said, I'm hoping that Haskins is that guy, but he just has a real long way to go and may never be that guy.[/quote]

Having a new head coach/offensive staff is also a major factor in the cardinals improvement