Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=Lotus;884192]For these reasons you'll see that I avoid the term "franchise QB" whenever possible and instead use adjectives describing QB quality or longevity.[/quote]I'm typically a bit more careless with my words (there is a lot of them after all) but I agree that to expect people to use loaded terms less often, it helps to set a strong example.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=NC_Skins;884193]You (and the others) remind me of this scene.

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You'll swing away blowing your chance to be a consistent winner, just so you can hit the big shot.

What happens if RGIII busts? You trade the farm again in 3 years for the next big thing? And that guy busts? You trade the farm again in 3 more years? The cycle continues until you finally hit the big one eh?...lol

There are times to take chances, and times you don't. We are in no situation to be taking many chances, much like Roy wasn't.[/quote]

-Ignore every point that doesn't help your argument
-Couch your nonsense and hyperbole in condescension
-Rinse
-Repeat

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

You wanna blame anyone for these arguments and threads: Matt Barkley.

If not for him it would be a guarantee that we would have either him or RGIII and wouldn't have to worry about trades. Now there's a guy I hope busts.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;884166]I'd still make the trade if they wanted 2012 and 2013 1st, 2012 2nd or 3rd and 2013 3rd[/quote]

Wow. Just wow.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;884072]Let's have a direct discussion. If you're the Redskins who do you pick?[QUOTE=Tandler].....of what likely will be two first-round picks, a second, and possibly other assorted selections.[/quote]

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/02/redskins-much-choose-between-manning-griffin.html]Redskins must choose between Manning, Griffin - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/QUOTE]

Peyton Manning.

I love Robert Griffin as a prospect but for me the difference between drafting him @6 as opposed to giving up the amount of resources Tandler suggests (2 firsts, a second and possibly more) is a deal breaker for me.

With Griffin the gamble is the same as with any rookie QB where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.

The gamble with Peyton Manning is much lower.
Its not a question of whether or not he'll 'become' a franchise or elite QB, he already has proven that he is elite.
The only question about Peyton is a health question.
I guess for me it boils down to the probablity of Peyton Manning being healthy vs probability of a rookie QB reaching 'franchise' or 'elite' status.

Further the risk of Peyton Manning can be mitigated by signing a journeyman QB and drafting a later round developmental QB.
And Manning reduces the urgency to have a QB of the future ready to play this year.
Peyton Manning buys time to either develop a mid/late round QB over time or to wait a year or a few before drafting the next Luck or Griffin in 2014 or 2015.

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So this ended up being a pretty good question. Not an obvious answer, despite the run on Griffin responses at the start of the thread.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;884200]Wow. Just wow.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I shock people.

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[quote=biffle;884198]-Ignore every point that doesn't help your argument
-Couch your nonsense and hyperbole in condescension
-Rinse
-Repeat[/quote]

You're quite clear about your stance. You are willing to blow the future of a good football team for a mere chance of having a QB, even if the odds are 40% of hitting the mark. I on the other hand am not. Not at this time. Get back to me when we shore up a few holes and add some more depth.

Also, I wasn't trying to be condescending either.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

The day that every football fan realizes that draft picks are just another currency like the dollar or euro will be a decent day for me, barring tragic events. And of course, using them wisely also matters.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=30gut;884201]With Griffin the gamble is the same as with any rookie QB where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.
[/quote]

The real world doesn't work that way. Griffin has virtually nothing in common with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, whether you're looking at backgrounds, education, skillset, production, character or temperments. Not to mention, Griffin will be stepping into a situation that will likely bear little resemblence to what the other 2 walked into.

So, to suggest the former's chances of success decline by some percentage because of the failures of the latter two is really wrongheaded, at absolute best.

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why would manning even want to come here? i don't see him coming here. i could see him ending up on some team that no one woul even imagine like the raiders.

and as for rg3 if he falls to 6 i'd love to see us take him, otherwise fall back and stock up. i think the worst thing shanny can do is make a move that gives up draft picks. if this franchise has changed for real there needs to be patience. i dont think that shanny is sold on rg3, and if he isn't 100% he can't afford to set this team back anymore. i say take a qb in the 2nd and another one later on. i know i'm in the minority but i am totally fine with having another building year. this team has been run into the ground the past decade with draft picks treated like garbage. this past year was a great draft and i would love to see another just llike it. let's be realistic and build this team the right way, you never know what can on the feild during game time. as much as i hate it when people brag about it we did beat the giants this year and the packers last year. it doesn;t mean we were a very good team but it does mean we can wina few tough games while we build the team for the future. httr!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;884207]The day that every football fan realizes that draft picks are just another currency like the dollar or euro will be a decent day for me, barring tragic events. And of course, using them wisely also matters.[/quote]

Vinny (and Joe Gibbs) treated it like it was monopoly money. :frusty:


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Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=NC_Skins;884204]You're quite clear about your stance. You are willing to blow the future of a good football team for a mere chance of having a QB, even if the odds are 40% of hitting the mark. I on the other hand am not. Not at this time. Get back to me when we shore up a few holes and add some more depth.[/quote]

I refer to my previous statement.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=biffle;884208]The real world doesn't work that way. Griffin has virtually nothing in common with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, whether you're looking at backgrounds, education, skillset, production, character or temperments. Not to mention, Griffin will be stepping into a situation that will likely bear little resemblence to what the other 2 walked into.

So, to suggest the former's chances of success decline by some percentage because of the failures of the latter two is really wrongheaded, at absolute best.[/quote]

Ah, conditional probability. How I did not expect to see you here. (nerd moment)

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote][QUOTE=30gut;884201]With Griffin the gamble [B][I][U]is the same as with any rookie QB[/U][/I][/B] where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.[/quote][quote=biffle;884208]The real world doesn't work that way. Griffin has virtually nothing in common with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, whether you're looking at backgrounds, education, skillset, production, character or temperments. Not to mention, Griffin will be stepping into a situation that will likely bear little resemblence to what the other 2 walked into.

So, to suggest the former's chances of success decline by some percentage because of the failures of the latter two is really wrongheaded, at absolute best.[/quote][/QUOTE]Where did I suggest Griffin chances of success decline?

I also missed the part of my post where I made any comparison of Griffin to Leaf or Jamarcus?

I'll chalk it up to an honest mistake.

Cheers-