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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597854]I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. [B]Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm[/B]. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.[/quote]

I wish our guys played as well as Cody Grimm.

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[quote=HTTR;597835]What? Snyder is the architect of this mess. He's responsible for Vinny, he's responsible for Zorn, he's responsible for the revolving door of coaching, he's responsible for setting a tone of DC being the place over-the-hill players come to collect a paycheck. He's also playing us fans for suckers, and geez are we sucking![/quote]

This isn't worth getting into again so I won't bother

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[quote=Paintrain;597301]In my 30 years of being a Redskins fan, this is an all time low. Worse than losing the 1 game to the 1-15 Cowboys. Worse than losing 38-9 in the Super Bowl. Worse than any Spurrier loss or even the Coach 'Robinskie' era. We lost to a team that hadn't won a game in 20 months. Any team would be embarrassed by today's effort and result. It just happens to have happened to us.

So now what? I think Dan Snyder has to now acknowledge that it's not working. This is not just a loss, this is an organizational failure. This is a failure of management, coaching and players. This is an organizational opportunity to reset. If Snyder reacts by firing Zorn tomorrow, that would be a typical, old Snyder knee jerk reaction. I hope he gets the realization that it's not working and takes a few measured steps to correcting the course of the franchise.

What I'd like to see Snyder do tomorrow is start the search immediately for a President of Football Operations. Instead of operating from the sideline up, we need drastic change from the front office down. There are some people available (Casserly, Holmgren, Floyd Reese, Bruce Allen) that Snyder could bring in now and allow them to take the season to evaluate the roster, the front office staff and the coaching staff. He doesn't need to make a move on Zorn or Cerrato. Someone needs to come in and be our Parcells or Joe Banner. We need an experienced front office person to come in and set the direction for the football team. Let them make the decisions on the coach and GM.
[/quote]Good post. I hope Snyder was on the phone with Holmgren earlier tonight. I'm not on the Shanahan thing, but hopefully this shakes Danny up into getting the true PoFO / GM we need.

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[quote=GTripp0012;597450]Stafford didn't really show me anything except his accuracy with a football is no better than mine.[/quote]

LOL Good 1 he misse more WR than a high school QB. I guess our defense is really bad.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;597746]I completely agree with the person who made this post..I think I can say with confidence now these 3 things:
Zorn Won't be here next year
Campbell won't be here next year
We won't go to the playoffs this year[/quote]

I can say this as well that if all 3 of the things happen then we wont be in the playoffs next year either.

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I wondering when the players will call for a players on meeting to fix this mess. Good players don't balme the coaches they blame themselves. Players play and coaches coach. Zorn doesn't block, catch, pass, tackle, kick, or punt. Zorn is the HC so he gets most of the blame but our players have to play with more heart and emotion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;597964]This isn't worth getting into again so I won't bother[/quote]

Yeah you're running out of excuses...I can see why you can't rebuttle.

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[quote=roth74va;597506]I respectfully disagree, I see alot of talent on this team. We just dont have the coaches that have the foresight to adjust to their players and make things work. Zorn and Blache both are so intent on doing it their way, I hope they end up coaching Pop warner football somewhere.

And I dont think 1-15 Dallas team would be considered a "good team", but today is the lowest Ive ever felt as a lifelong Skins fan.[/quote]

I meant the 83 skins and the 89 skins were good teams.

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[quote=WaldSkins;597829]Snyder is the owner i want for this team. He will do anything and go get any player or coach to win. He's not a stupid man, if we have a poor showing this year i think he does the right thing and gets rid of VC and brings in a true GM.[/quote]

we all know snyder wants to win but he doesn't know how to win. money doesn't make a team. he needs to step aside and bring in a true football guy to run things.

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[quote=skinsfan69;598062]we all know snyder wants to win but he doesn't know how to win. money doesn't make a team. he needs to step aside and bring in a true football guy to run things.[/quote]There are a lot of really bad football guys though.

For every Thomas Dimitroff, there's three or four Rick Spielman's

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[quote=skinsfan69;598062]we all know snyder wants to win but he doesn't know how to win. money doesn't make a team. he needs to step aside and bring in a true football guy to run things.[/quote]

Couldn't be said better.

It's too bad our owner was successful at such a young age because he's never encountered the hardships or struggles of long term failure and how you overcome it.

This guy thinks he'll be successful just because everything he's ever touched before has turned to gold. That's great for him as an individual but the only thing that will turn this around is a personal sense of humility that one doesn't have all the answers to our current problems.

Realizing your previous success doesn't necessarily translate to future success will go along way here.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;598058]Yeah you're running out of excuses...I can see why you can't rebuttle.[/quote]

Snyder is responsible for Vinny being here. And if you want to make the argument that everything stems from that decision that's fine

But you're right I have no rebuttal for when I say Zorn wasn't Snyder's decision and the response is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging" or it wasn't Snyder's (or Vinny's) decision to trade multiple picks for Lloyd and Duckett, and the reason is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging" or that is not all uncommon for owners to meet with potential draft picks and the response is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging"

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[quote=SmootSmack;598148]Snyder is responsible for Vinny being here. And if you want to make the argument that everything stems from that decision that's fine

But you're right I have no rebuttal for when I say Zorn wasn't Snyder's decision and the response is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging" or it wasn't Snyder's (or Vinny's) decision to trade multiple picks for Lloyd and Duckett, and the reason is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging" or that is not all uncommon for owners to meet with potential draft picks and the response is "Snyder needs to stop micromanaging"[/quote]

Vinny has been with Dan Snyder even before he was owner. Vinny consulted Dan Snyder's purchasing group even before he owned the team way back in 1999.
[URL="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-569399.html"]Redskins' Group Adds Consultant - The Washington Post | Encyclopedia.com[/URL]

Marty Schott's first order of business when he came to DC was to fire Vinny Cerrato, which he did successfully.
[URL="http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-40226285.html"]Redskins Fire Vinny Cerrato - AP Online | Encyclopedia.com[/URL]

How did Vinny find his way back into the organization again? What normal employee is let go by an organization and just comes back to serve in the same capacity as before? Why not just choose another player personnel person after Schotty let Cerrato go?

It's safe to say that Cerrato and Snyder have more than a business relationship with each other. To think that Snyder doesn't have significant influence over Cerrato is absurd.


I personally don't think it comes down to Snyder micromanaging as it comes down to Snyder managing via his proxy, Cerrato.

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[quote=12thMan;597833]I agree about Portis. He doesn't break or run through tackles anymore, he's not the cutback runner that he used to be and certainly doesn't have that 2nd gear to break away. I think he's still a starter in this league, but I think Gibbs 2.0 took has taken it's toll on CP. He's still all heart though.[/quote]

100% agree. Love the guy, but he's not a game changer anymore. He's a very good RB and does alot well, but he's not the guy that he used to be. Who is?

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Changing just the coach/s wont work because they will still have to coach these no-heart no energy bums. There are a whole lot of players on this team that need to go because they are too comfortable in their position on this team. Zorn will never be confused with Lombardi but look at what he's trying to coach/motivate.