Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;556865]JC has all of the talent you need in a QB, but i feel he has trouble makin quick reads and if he doesnt breakout soon we may see a change at the position. The Coltists will be out in full force if he continues to do well in OTA's and preseason and JC starts to stumble[/quote]

I think you're right. The league is filled with QBs who are physically gifted. The ones who make it are the ones who excel in the Xs and Os and can understand what the defense is going to do before they do it. Watch guys like Brees, Manning and Warner and you'll notice that the defense can't get to them because they get the ball out so quick, not necessariliy because their O-line is giving them all day to throw. JC should be more comfortable in Zorn's system, so I suspect we'll see a lot of improvement.

Zorn's success is directly tied to Campbell's performance.

As Campbell goes, so goes the team and as the team goes, so goes Zorn.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=Brian Orakpo;557627]If we make the playoffs with that 9-7 record I think it does. If not we let Zorn and Campbell walk imo.[/quote]

Not if we ride the defense's coat-tails into the playoffs. Zorn has to prove he can field a potent offense. That's what he was brought here to do. A lot of coaches could have produced more than 12 points a game over the last half of the season. I think Zorn has to do a lot better than that, and if he does this team could go far.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=44Deezel;568794]I think you're right. The league is filled with QBs who are physically gifted. The ones who make it are the ones who excel in the Xs and Os and can understand what the defense is going to do before they do it. Watch guys like Brees, Manning and Warner and you'll notice that the defense can't get to them because they get the ball out so quick, not necessariliy because their O-line is giving them all day to throw. JC should be more comfortable in Zorn's system, so I suspect we'll see a lot of improvement.

Zorn's success is directly tied to Campbell's performance.

As Campbell goes, so goes the team and as the team goes, so goes Zorn.[/quote]

Don't forget that Campbell was subjected to a lot of dropped passes and our receivers were less than stellar. I felt JC was reading defenses well based on his low ints.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

If the Redskins make the playoffs next year, Jim Zorn should stay. Period. I think he should be given more than just this season regardless, but I don't think he will if they regress and have a losing season.

I would say that 10-12 wins sounds about right for this team this season with a win or two in the playoffs. I have very high hopes for this group and I think there's a very good chance that they could tear it up this year, vaulting Zorn and Campbell onto the national stage and making it impossible for Dan Snyder to get rid of them.

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After everything settles, unless JZ just appears overwhelmed (which I can't see happening) I would bet that he has atleast this year and next. DS has no desire to start over yet again, regardless of what the media pundits would have you believe. So sayeth a know nothing web-pundit.

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[quote=jdlea;568804]If the Redskins make the playoffs next year, Jim Zorn should stay. Period. I think he should be given more than just this season regardless, but I don't think he will if they regress and have a losing season.

I would say that 10-12 wins sounds about right for this team this season with a win or two in the playoffs. I have very high hopes for this group and I think there's a very good chance that they could tear it up this year, vaulting Zorn and Campbell onto the national stage and making it impossible for Dan Snyder to get rid of them.[/quote]

You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.

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We are not even sure than Holmgren or Cowher would work for ANYONE. Besides, Holmgren has expressed a desire to move back to the SF Bay area.

Shanahan will "work for food." Gruden said on NFL Network that he wants to coach again. So out of the "Big 4" candidates mentioned, only those two are really lurking offstage.

Further, any of those 4 may pull a Parcells and say they want to be in upper management, not coaching, in which case we could hire Holmgren, just for example, and still keep Zorn.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

I do not think that 10 regular season wins, with a playoff win added, is too far from real possibility. Leaving reason aside, my hopes are for even more - especially if it includes a sweep of Dallas!

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

I will be happy if we get into the playoffs by backing in, but I expect to be very happy and see us winning the Division.

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[quote=Lotus;568810]I do not think that 10 regular season wins, with a playoff win added, is too far from real possibility. Leaving reason aside, my hopes are for even more - especially if it includes a sweep of Dallas![/quote]
How sweet would a late season sweep of Dallas be. Of course Dallas fans would be saying it was WP's fault, not that the Skins whooped 'em. (Yeah, I am picturing the party already :food-smil

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;568808]You're predicting from eleven to fourteen total wins for this team? Come on, man! I'm as much a Redskins fan as anyone, but even I think you've gone WAY overboard. Did we move to the AFC West while I was on vacation? I'd be very happy if we just back into the playoffs at 9-7.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;556792]The primary reason I'm thinking about this is because there are four big-time former NFL coaches who will probably be looking to return to coaching next season and[B] I don't think you-know-who can resist hiring a big-name Head Coach. The coaches to whom I'm referring are Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan[/B].

To try to answer my own question, I think that, at a minimum, Jim Zorn will need to take this team to the playoffs to keep his job. But that might not be enough. If we back into the playoffs as a wildcard and lose in the first round, I think that Zorn may still lose his job.

I'm suggesting that, with people who Dan Snyder will undoubtedly view as better coaches available, that the bar may be set unrealistically high for Jim Zorn this season.

Other than Zorn guiding the Skins to the second round of the playoffs, there is one other faint hope for DS retaining Zorn and thus maintaining continuity. That is, Snyder could hire Mike Holmgren in an executive capacity to oversee both Vinny and Jim Zorn and to serve as a close advisor to both of them. That might even work.[/quote]

Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.

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[quote=skinsfan69;568826]Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.[/quote]

Skinsfan69......Telling it like it is. :food-smil

Re: What must Jim Zorn accomplish this season to keep his job?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;568826]Vinny and Zorn may not be the strongest HC/GM combo but we've got to give them AT LEAST 3 years. Holmgren stunk last year and had his GM duties stripped while in Seattle, Gruden won a SB w/ Dungy's players and got fired cause he can't communicate w/ today's players, Cowher had the benefit of working for a great owner who stuck with him through some lean years, Shanahan really never did anything w/out Elway plus he drafted Maurice Clarret. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side.[/quote]

I totally agreed, but Dan Snyder is not going to wait. Zorn has got to make the playoffs, if not he is def gone along with JC. Vinny might survive.

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[quote=jdlea;568822]Yeah, I don't think it's out of the question that an 8-8 team who got better in the offseason could get to 10 wins and then go on to win a game or two in the playoffs. It's the second year under Zorn, JC's second year in the system and Thomas and Kelly will be better. I'm convinced this offense can get to 21-25 ppg relatively frequently which would result in a whole lot of W's.[/quote]

As long as the real team was the one that went 6-2 to start the season and not the one that closed out 2-6.