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[quote=SmootSmack;548239]No doubt

On a somewhat related note, interesting piece here by JLC. According to Sanchez,[B] he's been told he'd have to earn the #1 spot here. Which I think is a bit ridiculous. [/B]If you're going to take him, and especially if you're trading up to take him, because you think he's Matt Ryan then just hand him the keys from day one

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mark-sanchez-raves-about-his-v.html"]Redskins Insider - Mark Sanchez Raves About His Redskins Visit[/URL][/quote]

Promising Sanchez the keys to the car from day one would basically cancel out Campbell. His trade value would plummet, and he'd likely walk after '09. Not to mention what it would do to the locker room. Snyder was just going status quo. With Campbell on the team, Sanchez would have to compete for the job. That's a no brainer. That doesn't mean Campbell couldn't be traded after drafting Sanchez. At least we're not tipping our hand in that regard. Currently, telling him anything other than what we are would be foolish. At this point I'd say it's possible (however unlikely), that we're running a good bluff.

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[quote=GTripp0012;548240]The whole situation just doesn't add up. This is just one more fact in a line of them that draw no clear path.

[LIST][*]All reports use the word "smitten" to describe Snyder's attitude towards Sanchez. It's been many decades since anyone has used that term, and yet, multiple outlets use it within a day or so? Sounds like a direct leak.[*]We don't have a plethora of cap room, but we're supposedly trying to get in the top 5, where the rookie pool might end up exceeding our cap room.[*]Jay Cutler. We chased him hard because we thought he was the missing piece. We didn't get him, and now it's Sanchez? Really?[*]Cerrato pulled an eleventh hour trade down last year, and now were considering going [I]up?[/I][*]No one in the Redskins organization has ever tried to squash these rumors at all. All Snyder has done is thrown gasoline on the fire. He might just be this short-sighted, or he might be wise enough to leverage his position. Prior evidence suggests he's probably just shortsighted.[*]We've avoided adding pretty much any help in free agency after the Dockery signing, despite unexpectedly cutting Jason Taylor since then.[*]We're frank enough to tell Sanchez where he stands with us, but we're okay going "behind" Campbell's back (I say "behind" because if it is a smokescreen, Campbell's in on it).[*]Brian Orakpo might be a simultaneous smokescreen, or a last ditch attempt to divert attention from Sanchez.[*]We can't even outbid other teams who need Sanchez' services far more than we do.[/LIST]I don't know guys. This situation reeks of botched management. My best guess: the Skins were prepared to trade the farm for Sanchez, then got a grip and backed off, and are now using it as an elaborate smokescreen. An accidental smokescreen that looks perfectly executed because at one point, it was in fact plan A.

I'm thinking the allure of Mark Sanchez might have actually worn off before draft day. Who knows, if the draft was ten days ago, I think he's wearing B & G, and we're not picking in the first round next year.[/quote]

Good post I especially agree with the last part of that. But who knows he could still be playing in the B & G and we aren't picking in the first round next year.

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[quote=GMScud;548243]Promising Sanchez the keys to the car from day one would basically cancel out Campbell. His trade value would plummet, and he'd likely walk after '09. Not to mention what it would do to the locker room. Snyder was just going status quo. With Campbell on the team, Sanchez would have to compete for the job. That's a no brainer. That doesn't mean Campbell couldn't be traded after drafting Sanchez. At least we're not tipping our hand in that regard. Currently, telling him anything other than what we are would be foolish. At this point I'd say it's possible (however unlikely), that we're running a good bluff.[/quote]


Just trying to get everyone to sip the Kool-Aid I suppose, problem is we are the only ones drinking it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;548240]The whole situation just doesn't add up. This is just one more fact in a line of them that draw no clear path.

[LIST][*]All reports use the word "smitten" to describe Snyder's attitude towards Sanchez. It's been many decades since anyone has used that term, and yet, multiple outlets use it within a day or so? Sounds like a direct leak.[/quote]

The term was used just a couple of years ago with us and Calvin Johnson

[quote][*]We don't have a plethora of cap room, but we're supposedly trying to get in the top 5, where the rookie pool might end up exceeding our cap room.[/quote]

Not to mention a QB would be a the upper echelon of the rookie scale

[quote][*]Jay Cutler. We chased him hard because we thought he was the missing piece. We didn't get him, and now it's Sanchez? Really?[/quote]

As simple as ABC (Anyone But Campbell...or Always Bet on Colt)

[quote][*]Cerrato pulled an eleventh hour trade down last year, and now were considering going [I]up?[/I][/quote]

Another trade down would be nice

[quote][*]No one in the Redskins organization has ever tried to squash these rumors at all. All Snyder has done is thrown gasoline on the fire. He might just be this short-sighted, or he might be wise enough to leverage his position. Prior evidence suggests he's probably just shortsighted.[/quote]

What's the point of squashing them?

[quote][*]We've avoided adding pretty much any help in free agency after the Dockery signing, despite unexpectedly cutting Jason Taylor since then.[/quote]

Not counting Haynesworth, or even Robert Thomas (to a lesser extent)? Or the guys we brought back?

[quote][*]We're frank enough to tell Sanchez where he stands with us, but we're okay going "behind" Campbell's back (I say "behind" because if it is a smokescreen, Campbell's in on it).[/quote]

Campbell's our guy!!...until he's not

[quote][*]Brian Orakpo might be a simultaneous smokescreen, or a last ditch attempt to divert attention from Sanchez.[/quote]

The one guy VC has been most open about is Orakpo, don't know if that's a good thing,k since the start of this whole draft stuff back in January

[quote][*]We can't even outbid other teams who need Sanchez' services far more than we do.[/LIST][/quote]

We can...but probably shouldn't

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[quote=GMScud;548243]Promising Sanchez the keys to the car from day one would basically cancel out Campbell. His trade value would plummet, and he'd likely walk after '09. Not to mention what it would do to the locker room. Snyder was just going status quo. With Campbell on the team, Sanchez would have to compete for the job. That's a no brainer. That doesn't mean Campbell couldn't be traded after drafting Sanchez. At least we're not tipping our hand in that regard. Currently, telling him anything other than what we are would be foolish. At this point I'd say it's possible (however unlikely), that we're running a good bluff.[/quote]If that's true, this is the first time in the month of April that Snyder stayed the status quo.

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[quote=GTripp0012;548247]If that's true, this is the first time in the month of April that Snyder stayed the status quo.[/quote]

Not saying it will stay that way come Saturday, but for now, I'd say that's what we're doing with this particular situation. If I had to guess anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548246]What's the point of squashing them?[/quote]Well, what if we do want him, but at 13. And it gets to pick 11 or 12, and the Jets go up to get him because, even though there's no one between 11 and 17 that need a QB, they think we'll actually do it.

That's a successful smokescreen...but if they wanted him enough to grab him at 13, which seems to be the picture that Snyder is painting, cut the beast off at the head, and up your chance of getting him at your slot.

General draft logic says the Skins would only be acting this way if they really didn't care about Sanchez. But logic in general suggests that Jason Campbell is on the verge of something great, so I'm not sure any reasoning should be applied to this situation.

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The only thing that really appears to be clear from this process is that the 5 year hiatus of Snyder intervention appears to be over for good. Even Joe Gibbs' mark on this team can't last forever.

Again, that's not a death sentence. But it is the very thing that got us in deep crap in the early part of the decade.

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Wow, very lonely here in Mark Sanchez's corner.

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[quote=GTripp0012;548251]The only thing that really appears to be clear from this process is that the 5 year hiatus of Snyder intervention appears to be over for good. Even Joe Gibbs' mark on this team can't last forever.

Again, that's not a death sentence. But it is the very thing that got us in deep crap in the early part of the decade.[/quote]

He has the same level of involvement that he had the past five years. He has always been part of the process (along with Cerrato and Gibbs/Zorn) in the final weeks leading up to the draft. The only difference between him and other owners is that not all other owners will attend the dinner with the "client" Instead they'll meet him the next day in their office.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548252]Wow, very lonely here in Mark Sanchez's corner.[/quote]

Even lonelier in Beanie Wells' corner (seriously, I want to draft a running back...not at 13 though. Give me Rashad Jennings in the 5th)

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[quote=SmootSmack;548254]He has the same level of involvement that he had the past five years. He has always been part of the process (along with Cerrato and Gibbs/Zorn) in the final weeks leading up to the draft. The only difference between him and other owners is that not all other owners will attend the dinner with the "client" Instead they'll meet him the next day in their office.[/quote]Okay, but, the clear difference to me at least, is that being intricately involved in all processes while deferring to the football opinion of his coaches was a strong way to lead. I realize he was always around Gibbs, and Gibbs speaks highly of him. However, Zorn's opinion isn't carrying the same weight about Redskins Park. And without Gibbs there, it sure looks like Cerrato is having to answer to Snyder, and not Zorn, regarding scheme fits and stuff.

I mean, Blache never even really got a word in on Jason Taylor prior to the deal. I understand that was Cerrato's brainchild, but Cutler was CLEARLY Snyder, and I'm in agreement with you, if it was Cerrato's call, it's a no on Sanchez. I'm just not sure at the end of the day, it's not Cerrato making the case to Snyder (clear intervention), instead of Zorn making the case to Cerrato (non intervention).

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[quote=GTripp0012;548256]Okay, but, the clear difference to me at least, is that being intricately involved in all processes while deferring to the football opinion of his coaches was a strong way to lead. I realize he was always around Gibbs, and Gibbs speaks highly of him. However, Zorn's opinion isn't carrying the same weight about Redskins part. And without Gibbs there, it sure looks like Cerrato is having to answer to Snyder, and not Zorn, regarding scheme fits and stuff.

I mean, Blache never even really got a word in on Jason Taylor prior to the deal. I understand that was Cerrato's brainchild, but Cutler was CLEARLY Snyder, and I'm in agreement with you, if it was Cerrato's call, it's a no on Sanchez. I'm just not sure at the end of the day, it's not Cerrato making the case to Snyder (clear intervention), instead of Zorn making the case to Cerrato (non intervention).[/quote]

From all I've gathered, Zorn is a lot more involved than I would have thought and Cerrato a lot less involved. And I think as far as those three are concerned, Blache got what he wanted with Haynesworth so they don't need his input as much right now (not until draft day).

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I'll take A Smith, because as much as I like Rey and Orapko the defense wasn't the real problem, and we did add Albert..

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It occurred to me this morning, (probably way after everyone else), that the whole intent of the Cutler, and even moreso Sanchez, bluffs is to force Denver to use its early pick on Sanchez. This makes alot of sense to me, because clearly Denver picking right before us, and needing DE's, we want to impact their thinking and strategy as much as possible. Certainly, if Denver wants Sanchez, they would now believe that they have to get him no later than at their 12 spot.

Well that was my morning revelation. Wishful thinking sure leads to creative theories!