Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=irish;886494]I agree, option 1 gives the team the best of both worlds.[/quote]a veteran qb who can no longer play, a rookie qb, and an extra 2nd or 3rd in this years draft? what worlds are these?

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[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]

Quite honestly I'd be happy with either option. And this is why I'm glad I don't make those decisions.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886493]Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning ([B]healthy[/B]), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big[/quote]

this is the problem. Manning could never play again, he may only play another season, he could be in and out of the lineup for the next several years...either of those happenings is a massive, epic fail. Tannehill is not ready to start, he cant even throw right now. He will be a project.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you



Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd



or



Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/QUOTE]

I'll take the RGIII package.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886493]Not necessarily. I was just throwing it out there as an option. Of the two choices I'd prefer Manning (healthy), RT, and picks. Largely bc I don't think the gap between RG3 and RT is that big[/quote]

Ok. I will take the RG3 package. Your reasoning makes sense but is largely based on your opinion of there being a small gap between RG3 & RT. I am no scout but from everything i have read and heard you are in the minority on that front. Most seem to think RG3 can start soon if not right away and may have the highest ceiling in the draft while most think RT is a good prospect but needs a year or 2 on the pine.

Just to be clear...I like the healthy Manning/RT package also but I like it less because I think we will need to decide before we are positive Manning is healthy. And if we find out he's not healthy after we pull the trigger then we are in big trouble with a washed up Manning and an RT that's not ready. That's the riskier option to me then parting with a couple extra draft picks.

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Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap

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I'd take the Manning deal with RT

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

I'm for trying to get Bradford from St. Lou but I don't think that's going to happen & I know Indy isn't giviing up the 1st pick but if your going to trade up why not try to get Luck, what about a 2012 1st & 2nd, 2013 1st & 3rd 2014 1st & 4th? would you do it. NOW that's all in get the QB you reallly want IMO.

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I am really hopping on to the RGIII bandwagon hard, both after hearing his interview on Sirius a few weeks back, and the Halsell interview that Matty posted. I don't know that we will get him, and worry about his style of play leading to injuries. But right now I would be ecstatic if we moved up to the 3rd spot and picked him up.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886471]Let me pose this question to you

Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd

or

Orton and trade up to get RG3 and lose a 1st/2nd[/quote]
Manning and trade down to get Tannehill and an additional pick in the 2nd/3rd.
But I think this trade down scenario is easier said then done.
Depending on what happens in FA we still have to worry about the Dolphins (who signed Mike Sherman (Tannehill's HC as their OC) and we still have the QB needy Seahawks too.


[quote=GTripp0012;886480]I don't think the Ryan Tannehill who played at Texas A&M showed much of any of this, certainly I don't think he's in the same category with his arm or even with his athleticism that Andrew Luck is.[/quote]And this is the heart of the difference in our views of Tannehill.
I think Tannehill has better arm talent and is vastly more athletic then you.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886509]Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap[/quote]

Thats the kicker for me too.

Id rather have placeholder like orton+RT+picks longterm versus RG3 minus picks (and realistically, speaking minus orakpo too, based on the trade scenarios you through a few weeks ago)

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=celts32;886508]Your reasoning makes sense but is largely based on your opinion of there being a small gap between RG3 & RT. I am no scout but from everything i have read and heard you are in the minority on that front. Most seem to think RG3 can start soon if not right away and may have the highest ceiling in the draft while most think RT is a good prospect but needs a year or 2 on the pine.[/quote]Even though I think Tannehill is an above average playmaker himself, I think Griffin clearly out classes everyone in this draft when it comes to playmaking and that is the trait I value most.
And he was certainly a more efficient QB in Baylor's offense then Tannehill was at A&M.
But in the NFL both will start from scratch in brand new systems and most pro systems will be closer to A&Ms then Baylor's.
But outside of those 2 areas I don't see where the a huge gulf in their skill set exists.
What factors do you see that create the vast difference in their skill sets?

I think there is as much to suggest that Tannehill could start week 1 as there is to suggest that he couldn't.
There is arguably more to suggest that Griffin would need to sit then there is to suggest that Tannehill would need to sit, [I][B]especially[/B][/I] in our offense.

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[quote=biffle;886491]I live in New England and listen to a lot of talk radio and we have late night sports talk on TV on Sundays. I can tell you the people (beat reporters, ex-players, etc) who cover and comment on the team feel that the team believes in Hoyer to a huge degree. Like they think they're sitting on a major asset, way better than Cassel was. And this isn't just "the coaches say he's good" talk, or a smokescreen, they are talking about a palpable sense they get from everywhere in the organization about Hoyer.

There is talk now that they are considering putting the first round tender on him. If you think about what that means, it means they are thinking it might not be worth risking losing him for "only" a 2nd round pick. And this is a guy who can walk for nothing in a year. So, essentially they are debating whether one year of Hoyer as a back-up is worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Just FWIW.[/quote]

Yeah he won't be easy to get, for sure

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;886514]I'm for trying to get Bradford from St. Lou but I don't think that's going to happen & I know Indy isn't giviing up the 1st pick but if your going to trade up why not try to get Luck, what about a 2012 1st & 2nd, 2013 1st & 3rd 2014 1st & 4th? would you do it. NOW that's all in get the QB you reallly want IMO.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is giving up 6 picks for Luck. The most I'd give for Luck is:

2012 1st rd.
2013 1st rd.
2014 2nd rd.

If you don't want it whatever

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;886509]Well remember in my scenario I'm talking RT plus picks vs RG3 minus picks. I think that, to me at least, closes the gap[/QUOTE]

I'd like to hear your RGIII vs "Clark Kent" Tannehill Smooty. Like why do you think the gap is so small.