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[quote=30gut;886299]I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is [I][B]next[/B][/I] years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
[I][B]But[/B][/I] trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.[/quote]I really wish someone could explain to me why Ryan Tannehill is such a favorite as a third QB in this draft. In terms of his components, he's not in the top three in any one thing (height, perhaps the exception after Osweiler), whether measured statistically or observationally. And it would seem logical, that if you break the quarterback class down into components and Tannehill comes out average or below average in most skills, that the fact that he combines all of those blah skills into one package shouldn't make a better prospect than guys (like Foles or Cousins) that do one or two things exceptionally well, but have obvious flaws in either their footwork or decision making.

It would seem that grading only on skill sets, Tannehill has absolutely nothing on Weeden or Osweiler, who are both more physically gifted quaterbacks. If grading him on the production he flashed in college, he's not Foles, he's not Cousins, and he's not 30% of Kellen Moore. I don't feel I'm being unfair to Tannehill at all by putting him solidly in the second round of a class I've already given five first round grades in. In doing so, I'm ranking him ahead of Weeden and Osweiler, who are two guys who can just do more with their arms.

I'm with you on Blackmon: he's my number one receiver in this class, but kind of like when Calvin Johnson came out and I couldn't see the separation between him and Dwayne Bowe (its more obvious now), I can't really tell you with any degree of certainty that he'll have a better career than Kendall Wright or Michael Floyd. Which is why I believe, ultimately, he isn't going to go second overall, even though the Rams need a receiver bad.

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Man, this is the NFL draft we are talking about . Other than Luck who knows where the rest will be taken.

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[quote=NC_Skins;886293]Let's slow up with the contender talk...lol Granted the kid had a great rookie year, but it's too soon to anoint him as the next great thing.


Also, being a pro-bowler doesn't mean much of anything, and the reality of it is he only got in because other QBs declined.[/quote]

Pro Bowler might not mean much but 4,757 total yards, and 35 total TD's against 17 turnovers does especially for a rookie.

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[quote=30gut;886299]I'm sure there is a school of thought in the FO that is similar to the above.

I guess I'm too trade up averse to advocate trading up for anyone other then a QB.
WRs scare the beejesus out of me and I like our receiving corps at present at have hopes for Hankerson.
I like Richardson but I don't see an Adrian Peterson when I look at him.
I also struggle with whether Kyle's playcalling will ever lend itself to 'featuring' a running back enough to reap the benefits a back like Richardson could provide over our current stable of backs.

I do agree about the compensation and I think it would be reasonable to trade up for Griffin if the cost is [I][B]next[/B][/I] years 1st as opposed to this years 2nd + another pick.
Personally I would try to trade with the Vikes in hopes of lowering the compensation.

I like the idea of staying put for Reif, I believe a sure fire way to prove every aspect of our offense is through upgrading the OL.
I'm old school in the sense because I believe 'winning' at the POA makes any scheme or any set of X's and O's better.

I already know you don't like Tannehill as much as I do but..
I would have to think that there is an element in the FO that wants to take Tannehill.

Maybe 6 is too rich for Ryan and in my heart of hearts I would like to trade down and get Tannehill and the 3rd/4th rated OT Martin or Adams.
[I][B]But[/B][/I] trading down is huge risk when you're gambling on a QB unless they have other QBs that they like later on in the draft like Weeden or Foles.

Then there is always the question of what happens to McCoy should the Browns take Griffin.
I'm probably alone in this but I think McCoy would be a really good fit in Kyle's offense and would provide an instant and meaninful upgrade to Rex and would still have a good amount of to improve before reaching his potential.[/quote]

Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above

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[quote=SmootSmack;886307]Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above[/quote]

Like who? Hoyer, Josh Johnson? Who are some of the under the radar guys?

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886307]Well iamsrk has already told us that we're getting Colt...so I don't know what you're worried about

I still think it's not Manning, not Orton, nor Flynn that we're getting in FA. My gut says we're adding one maybe two QBs before the draft. But not those guys mentioned above[/quote]

Please tell me who the redksins would sign if they dont go after flynn, orton, or manning? And what reasons do you have for those thoughts?

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[quote=NM Redskin;886309]Like who? Hoyer, Josh Johnson? Who are some of the under the radar guys?[/quote]

Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]

I know rex isn't the best, but you think clausen is a better back-up than rex? Rex would be a safer back-up IMO than jimmy. Their is no time to develop jimmy clausen and to see if it works. They need to win now. I could see hoyer possibly. Dont know if shannahan is going to trade any picks unless for RG III, who I dont think we are getting. We just have to wait and see. If they were interested in hoyer, I'm pretty sure that would be out their already.

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[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]So, basically, it's Weeden and Grossman next year?

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[quote=GTripp0012;886314]So, basically, it's Weeden and Grossman next year?[/quote]

It's going to be ugly if that's the case I think.

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Rex and the Redskins have been at a bit of a standstill with contract talks and Clausen can probably be had cheap.

I think they're going to let Rex test the market and then welcome him back if neither side finds something better

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;886316]Rex and the Redskins have been at a bit of a standstill with contract talks and Clausen can probably be had cheap.



I think they're going to let Rex test the market and then welcome him back if neither side finds something better[/QUOTE]

I find it hard to believe we can't find anyone better.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=SmootSmack;886312]Josh Johnson would likely not be a starter

Nor would Jimmy Clausen for that matter

Yeah I believe Hoyer is the main under the radar guy not being talked about

annnnnnnddddddd Mark Sanchez! :)

Seriously though, I just feel like Manning's not coming here because I don't get the sense there is a strong "passion" to bring him here from the group of decision makers. They're probably more passionate about Orton (they did nearly acquire him twice after all), relatively speaking. And...truthishly...Hoyer and Clausen are two names that always kind of stay in the conversation while others tend to come and go

So I could see trade a 3rd for Hoyer, sign Clausen, use the 2nd to get a Foles/Cousins type[/quote]

This plan is sort of like settling for a few things off the dollar menu instead of springing for the Big Mac that you really want...

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All those options are just depressing.

Re: Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;886319]All those options are just depressing.[/quote]

As I keep saying "Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst!"