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You take Thomas or Young. Then you’ve probably got a pro bowler for 10 years in a critical position.

The other issue is Trent Williams. If BA is fired and the team hires and OUTSIDE the organization, such an the Chiefs OC, Bienieny AND he gets a new contract with guaranteed money, would he play next year? This is ANOTHER reason to fire BA.

I could see us trading down IF Thomas or Young is gone. That gives us the ability to draft two OL talents. I believe in the drafting talent of Kyle Smith. If he is truly given free rein, he has a super record over the last two years!




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[quote=Warthog;1239941]You take Thomas or Young. Then you’ve probably got a pro bowler for 10 years in a critical position.

The other issue is Trent Williams. If BA is fired and the team hires and OUTSIDE the organization, such an the Chiefs OC, Bienieny AND he gets a new contract with guaranteed money, would he play next year? This is ANOTHER reason to fire BA.

I could see us trading down IF Thomas or Young is gone. That gives us the ability to draft two OL talents. I believe in the drafting talent of Kyle Smith. If he is truly given free rein, he has a super record over the last two years!




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If I didn't know any better I'd swear there's so many good reasons to fire Bruce Allen.

Organizational ineptitude

100 losses over 10 years

Possibly getting your star player to rejoin the team (delaying his replacement for at least a year)

Qualified HC/FO candidates might actually want to come here

FA's from other teams might be more interested in coming here

Might be able to finally crawl out of the dumpster

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Unless we are in a position to draft young, I say trade down. Some team will trade up for Tua.


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[QUOTE=mooby;1239942]If I didn't know any better I'd swear there's so many good reasons to fire Bruce Allen.



Organizational ineptitude



100 losses over 10 years



Possibly getting your star player to rejoin the team (delaying his replacement for at least a year)



Qualified HC/FO candidates might actually want to come here



FA's from other teams might be more interested in coming here



Might be able to finally crawl out of the dumpster[/QUOTE]



Agreed! Excellent synopsis of the Bruce Allen amateur decade. He is EASILY the worst GM in the NFL. There are so many reasons to fire him. I think the real reason this will happen soon is because of the #FireBruceAllen movement, the poor record “on the field” AND because Dan Snyder has cultivated new advisors: Alex Smith and Urban Meyer.

Good riddance! I can’t wait until we no longer have to talk about this azz monkey.


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What is the tiebreaker for teams with the same record? . . .right now it looks like the 2nd or 3rd pick. . . Young or Thomas?

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I know we need a LT, you just can’t pass on a pass rusher like Young. I’ll take my chances with Young, then draft a LT, TE, FS in that order. We can get a pick for TW, I would trade Kerrigan and also get a pick.

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I would trade back if we got a great haul of picks. We need way more help than just a pass rusher. If we stay in the top ten, we will still be able to get a starting LT and have more picks to use on a TE, S, CB etc.

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1240422]I would trade back if we got a great haul of picks. We need way more help than just a pass rusher. If we stay in the top ten, we will still be able to get a starting LT and have more picks to use on a TE, S, CB etc.[/quote]

You can get picks from trading TW, Kerrigan.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/redskins-lose-giants-may-eventually-be-big-winners-chase-young-sweepstakes[/url]

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If they get them traded before the draft then we'll have and idea of who they can get with those picks. Maybe a second for TW? RK maybe a fourth?
If we don't get at least a two for TW I would trade back.

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I really don't think extra picks mean a damn thing if you don't know how to draft the right players and put them in positions to be successful. We have so many drafted players here that are either not any good or underperforming.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240428]I really don't think extra picks mean a damn thing if you don't know how to draft the right players and put them in positions to be successful. We have so many drafted players here that are either not any good or underperforming.[/quote]

Let’s see McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Martin, Moreland, Haskins, haven’t done anything or shown promise?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240428]I really don't think extra picks mean a damn thing if you don't know how to draft the right players and put them in positions to be successful. We have so many drafted players here that are either not any good or underperforming.[/quote]

That is why getting a new GM is vital.

And FWIW I doubt Kerrigan has much trade value. He is coming off a mediocre season and has a contract worth almost $12 million.

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The talent level between the worse teams and best teams is not as big as you think. I will say that the QB is the one position that has to be good for team to succeed.. however the COACHES and schemes and preparation have a lot to do with success.. if I’m wrong then why do some teams regardless of injuries and players getting older etc are still able to win ... this team has players but has totally been mismanaged... we made bad FA moves .. getting rid of proven players and end up paying more for less production.. to continue to rely on injury prone players is crazy ... this team under the right leadership certainly has the chance to compete if not win this division .. It all starts next week after Dallas .. we will see then

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240429]Let’s see McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Martin, Moreland, Haskins, haven’t done anything or shown promise?[/quote]

Sims was undrafted

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Chase Young has to be the pick, this team has needed a top tier Pass rusher for years and he's sitting there at 2? U have to take him

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1240432]Sims was undrafted[/quote]

Yes, I know but someone in the front office signed him as a FA after the draft, so I count free agents as the players drafted. Same shit!

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Haskins last 2 games : 31 of 43 for 394 yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240435]Haskins last 2 games : 31 of 43 for 394 yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions[/quote]

You listening to the JP Finlay podcast too?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240436]You listening to the JP Finlay podcast too?[/quote]

No just looking at his numbers

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I am still trading down, too many holes to fill and the #2 pick over all is very valuable. Taking a WR at #2 would not be as wise move. Other than needing a tight end the receiving corps looks to have promise.

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At Number Two ???? You take Chase Young. Period.

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I hope we don't, but it wouldn't be surprised if we beat the cowboys and mess up the second pick

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Take Chase Young and gain a superstar at a key position for a decade or more. You gain extra draft picks by trading Trent Williams and Kerrigan. TW gets you the second rounder we lack and Kerrigan gets a fourth rounder.

If we have another outstanding draft like last year, we’ll do well -especially if draft guru Kyle Smith is our GM. Also, by dumping all of our perennial injured FA, we’ll have $80-90 mill in cap space to draft an excellent TE and for defensive players.

IF Snyder fires BA, and can entice a premiere HC (and DC) and keep Kyle Smith in the draft room, then this team has a LOT of POTENTIAL. Our 2019 draft class is outstanding. Haskins has shown his potential, even with a patch-work OL and crappy TE. If a potential HC can look PAST our 3 win season, we have a lot that a coach would want.


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Young or Thomas would be excellent choice for Redskins although if there's an opportunity to gain a king's ransom by trading away our pick, we must consider it.. For those people who want Young - look at Bears and Texans, they both have a superstar in Mack and Watt (and Clowney before this year) and yet those players couldn't do enough to bring the teams to playoffs. Or at least, not on a regular basis..

Redskins have a lot of needs other than Dline and QB. If we can get a king's ransom for our pick, I would be really tempted to accept it. I suppose it also depends on which team we are trading with. If it is a team that is likely to be average team or worse next year then I would go for it.

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[quote=GridIron26;1240469]Young or Thomas would be excellent choice for Redskins although if there's an opportunity to gain a king's ransom by trading away our pick, we must consider it.. For those people who want Young - look at Bears and Texans, they both have a superstar in Mack and Watt (and Clowney before this year) and yet those players couldn't do enough to bring the teams to playoffs. Or at least, not on a regular basis..

Redskins have a lot of needs other than Dline and QB. If we can get a king's ransom for our pick, I would be really tempted to accept it. I suppose it also depends on which team we are trading with. If it is a team that is likely to be average team or worse next year then I would go for it.[/quote]

All I’m gonna to say is, the 49ers have pretty much the same team as last year. What made a difference? Bosa. Chase Young would do the same for us, it would help our DB’s and LB’s tremendously.

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Chase Young would make Montez Sweat more productive on the other size and shorten the mount of time the corners have to cover. We can't pass on this guy and we should start Morgan Moses at QB so we can guarantee we have the #2 pick.

Trading down gets us what? 2 more Jon Allens? Solid player but opposing teams don't game plan for him.

Young and Sweat [U][I]COULD[/I][/U] be the new Manley and Mann.

I want some Young Sweat for 2020!

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Chase would be our next Sean Taylor on D.

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[quote=jamf;1240471]Chase Young would make Montez Sweat more productive on the other size and shorten the mount of time the corners have to cover. We can't pass on this guy and we should start Morgan Moses at QB so we can guarantee we have the #2 pick.

Trading down gets us what? 2 more Jon Allens? Solid player but opposing teams don't game plan for him.

Young and Sweat [U][I]COULD[/I][/U] be the new Manley and Mann.

[B]I want some Young Sweat for 2020![/B][/quote]

Ummm yeah, you just got on someone's watch list.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1240472]Chase would be our next Sean Taylor on D.[/QUOTE]



BINGO! Young would make the entire DL much,much better. That AND a premiere DC to properly manage this squad. This defense is totally handicapped by poor coaching. Manusky just sucks. He has completely VANILLA schemes, with little blitzing nor stunts. A really good DC will completely transform this defense into the top half of the NFL, even with the players we have now!

Add Chase Young, a CB or S draft pick(s) and some excellent FA with our $80-90 mill in free cap money (when we dump all our. FA ) and better coaching and this defense will be in the top 10 defenses, next year.


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[quote=Warthog;1240477]BINGO! Young would make the entire DL much,much better. That AND a premiere DC to properly manage this squad. This defense is totally handicapped by poor coaching. Manusky just sucks. He has completely VANILLA schemes, with little blitzing nor stunts. A really good DC will completely transform this defense into the top half of the NFL, even with the players we have now!

[B]Add Chase Young, a CB or S draft pick(s) and some excellent FA with our $80-90 mill in free cap money (when we dump all our. FA ) and better coaching and this defense will be in the top 10 defenses, next year.[/B]


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You guys act like this is going to the grocery store and picking up a few things for xmas dinner... lol. They don't know what they're doing in free agency. They rarely pay their own guys (like Murphy or Lo Alexander) but go out and overpay bums like Richardson or Collins.

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[quote=jamf;1240471]Chase Young would make Montez Sweat more productive on the other size and shorten the mount of time the corners have to cover. We can't pass on this guy and we should start Morgan Moses at QB so we can guarantee we have the #2 pick.

Trading down gets us what? 2 more Jon Allens? Solid player but opposing teams don't game plan for him.

Young and Sweat [U][I]COULD[/I][/U] be the new Manley and Mann.

I want some Young Sweat for 2020![/quote]

How? Sweat isn't winning his one on one match ups so I'm not sure what Young will do.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240429]Let’s see McLaurin, Harmon, Sims, Martin, Moreland, Haskins, haven’t done anything or shown promise?[/quote]

I didn't say we don't have pieces to work with. I said we have guys that are drafted that basically suck..

Allen, playing out of position but makes no plays
Montae, worst safety in the league. Pure arbage.
Holcolm, sucks but he is a rookie
Moses, sucks
Sprinkle, slowest TE in the history of the league
Sweat, no pass rush.
Guice, gets hurt every 15 carries

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1240486]I didn't say we don't have pieces to work with. I said we have guys that are drafted that basically suck..



Allen, playing out of position but makes no plays

Montae, worst safety in the league. Pure arbage.

Holcolm, sucks but he is a rookie

Moses, sucks

Sprinkle, slowest TE in the history of the league

Sweat, no pass rush.

Guice, gets hurt every 15 carries[/QUOTE]

There is glass half empty, then there is this view.

For one Jason Witten is definitely the slowest TE in the league.

Holcomb has been average to good. I wouldn't say he sucked at any point, maybe missed some plays, but that is different than sucking.

The defense in generally is on the scheme and coordinator.

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I didn’t know Chase Young was from Maryland and went to DeMatha, that’s more reason to make him a Redskin.

QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020
 

I think it’s hard to grade guys like Allen, Payne, and even Sweat when the defense is so poorly coached.

Secondly, the team has done a terrible job managing and picking up FA. That’s all in Bruce Allen! His grubby little prints are all over the bad FA decisions he’s made over the last decade. We’ve consistently picked FA who can’t stay healthy. Out of our top 8 FA, only two finished the season. The rest were hurt from the get-go or we got minimum production.

The easy answer is to get ruthless and trade or cut almost all the FA. Of all the FA besides Collins, they should all be dumped. We can get a second rounder for Trent and maybe a fourth for Kerrigan.

It’s time to rebuild. That’s what will be enticing to a new HC. Dumping all the FA will open up $80-90 mill in cap money.
Kyle Smith should be making the FA decisions, not Bruce Allen.

With Kyle Smith’s past two drafts, he’s done very well. We’ve got plenty of rookies from the 2018/9 draft and even UDFA who are playing well above their draft position. This team is young and hungry. With good coaching it can do far better than we are now.

Finally the new HC has a great choice - take Chase Young -BPA in the draft, or trade down from #2 for a king’s ransom in draft picks. Either choice is a winner.

A ton of cap money; Chase Young or a trade down for a boat load of draft picks; Kyle Smith is a very good judge of draft talent; and a lot of young players who are doing well even with poor coaching. All this is a diamond in the rough for a good HC - as long as Bruce is gone.






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[quote=Warthog;1240524]
A ton of cap money; Chase Young or a trade down for a boat load of draft picks; Kyle Smith is a very good judge of draft talent; and a lot of young players who are doing well even with poor coaching. All this is a diamond in the rough for a good HC - as long as Bruce is gone[/quote]

I totally agree, contrary to what the talking heads in the media say, I can't see why Dallas is attractive at all.... no new coach there will get the credit for building that team, Jerry wants all the credit..... and coaches, like owners and GMs, are egotists when it comes to getting credit. Assuming Bruce is gone as part of any deal then any new coach has a clean slate, a very low bar for success and will get all the credit as soon as (if) the skins get into the playoffs and will have 3 years at least to turn things around...... and a promising young quarterback in place.

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Were not getting Chase Young,this is the redskins were talking about and they will fuck it up somehow.If somehow we still have 2nd pick when draft gets here if I'm Chase Young I'm staying in school,I wouldnt go to the skins

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1240472]Chase would be our next Sean Taylor on D.[/quote]

Lets calm down here

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1240569]Lets calm down here[/quote]

Isn’t that how Sean was viewed before being drafted? Just a different position

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240488]There is glass half empty, then there is this view.

For one Jason Witten is definitely the slowest TE in the league.

Holcomb has been average to good. I wouldn't say he sucked at any point, maybe missed some plays, but that is different than sucking.

The defense in generally is on the scheme and coordinator.

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I do think the scheme does suck but I have seen too many times where a player is in position to make a tackle or a play and they can't or don't make it. It ain't all on Manusky.