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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195007]I want nothing more than a MIN/WSH Nfc Title game, could u imagine the build up for that!!! I think both teams will be good too.[/quote]

I would love that!!!

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[quote=punch it in;1195006]I believe you are correct. I believe also that after the D pretty much sticking it to Stafford for the entire game they suddenly went into a pussy prevent D in crunch time. Cousins had an 80 % comp % in that particular dome. All this being said I think KC absolutely thrives in the dome and with that team - it suits him better. I also think Smith is the perfect fit for us and Grudens offense. If our D is improved - and it damn well should be- than I think us and Minny both come out of this smelling like roses.
If Guice is who I think he is than that should help Smith immensely also.[/quote]
KC's passer rating for the game was 71.9
Staffords was 83.7

KC's yds per pass was 6.9
Stafford's was 7.8

Let's not make it sound like he was superhuman and the rest of the team fluttered in the pit of misery.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195001]Way to make a mountain out of a molehill. I simply thought it was an odd statistic. Glad you all feel so up in arms about defending KC against an offseason musing.[/quote]

Yes it's definitely an odd stat, but probably nothing more than an anomaly, but what's also odd is suggesting Minny could possibly have a "disaster" on their hands based on that stat.

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[quote=MTK;1195012]Yes it's definitely an odd stat, but probably nothing more than an anomaly, but what's also odd is suggesting Minny could possibly have a "disaster" on their hands based on that stat.[/quote]

That was [B][I][U]probably[/U][/I][/B] an overstatement on my part.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195010]KC's passer rating for the game was 71.9

Staffords was 83.7



KC's yds per pass was 6.9

Stafford's was 7.8



Let's not make it sound like he was superhuman and the rest of the team fluttered in the pit of misery.[/QUOTE]



He was 30 for 39 with an almost 80% comp %. His rating was 107. No piks. One td. And our defense absolutely floundered after KC drove us down the field on the road for what should have been the game winning drive with about a minute left. He was pretty superhuman. He completely outplayed Stafford who was 18-29
KC - 301
MS - 266
KC had a 7.7 ypp and a rushing touchdown straight up the gut for like 15 yards.
I went back to 2014 and cant even find a preseason game against Detroit that resembles those stats?

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[quote=punch it in;1195014]He was 30 for 39 with an almost 80% comp %. His rating was 107. No piks. One td. And our defense absolutely floundered after KC drove us down the field on the road for what should have been the game winning drive with about a minute left. He was pretty superhuman. He completely outplayed Stafford who was 18-29
KC - 301
MS - 266
KC had a 7.7 ypp and a rushing touchdown straight up the gut for like 15 yards.
I went back to 2014 and cant even find a preseason game against Detroit that resembles those stats?[/quote]

He also fumbled 2 times, lost one. I was looking at [URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400874496"]ESPN[/URL] and the 71.9 was their QBR number. The 6.9ypp is on the team stat page and must include sack yardage.

any way. Cousins will go 8-0 at Minny's dome, he is super and I will buy one of every t-shirt style he ever sells

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcX-wa-V4AEQ99G.png[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195016]He also fumbled 2 times, lost one. I was looking at [URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400874496"]ESPN[/URL] and the 71.9 was their QBR number. The 6.9ypp is on the team stat page and must include sack yardage.



any way. Cousins will go 8-0 at Minny's dome, he is super and I will buy one of every t-shirt style he ever sells



[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcX-wa-V4AEQ99G.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]



Ok so he fumbled. Lol. Maybe his o- line was terrible. Maybe it was a loud ass stadium. Bottom line is he outplayed Stafford, and had a great game. He led us on a drive at the end of the game and than our D folded with a minute left. He completed 80 percent of his freaking passes and threw for over 300. So it wasn’t dink and dunk. I believe also our ST absolutely shit the bed. So if we are talking- like I thought we were - about that one game - YES Cousins was awesome. But if you want to put words in my mouth and say that means I think he is going 8-0 at home next year and will lead the world in Jersey sales have at it. [emoji849]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195013]That was [B][I][U]probably[/U][/I][/B] an overstatement on my part.[/QUOTE]


Fair enough, we’re probably all guilty of it at some point

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[quote=punch it in;1195017]Ok so he fumbled. Lol. Maybe his o- line was terrible. Maybe it was a loud ass stadium. Bottom line is he outplayed Stafford, and had a great game. He led us on a drive at the end of the game and than our D folded with a minute left. He completed 80 percent of his freaking passes and threw for over 300. So it wasn’t dink and dunk. I believe also our ST absolutely shit the bed. So if we are talking- like I thought we were - about that one game - YES Cousins was awesome. But if you want to put words in my mouth and say that means I think he is going 8-0 at home next year and will lead the world in Jersey sales have at it. [emoji849][/quote]

One last point, We rushed for 115 yards, had 12 first downs by rush and 12 by pass, Detroit rushed for 62 (both yardage is minus QB runs).

But it's fair enough to say that the stats don't say that the defense got an upper hand on him in that domed game, which was my original speculation.

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[quote=punch it in;1195004]2016 @Detroit. 30-39. 301 yards. 1 td 0 int. 107 rating. If I remember correctly our D shit the bed on the last drive after Cousins took us on what should have been a game winning clutch ass drive. Again not calling you out - just looking into it. Another case where KC - in a dome - played great and our team/Coaches shit the bed.[/quote]

Cousins played great for 1 quarter.
The other 3 quarters he managed 3 fumble(2 recovered on back to back plays) and 3 points total.

KC was in full Checkdown Charlie mode for the first 3 quarters of the game (3 PTS!) with only 4 completions to Garcon and Jackson.
It took a 10pt deficit to get him to open things up.

What about the final game in that season where we absolutely needed a win for a shot at the playoffs?
First 3 quarters, 3 Pts. One completed pass to Garcon/Jackson. Notice a trend here?

I wish KC well but he isn't on my team anymore so F him!
He also never did shit for us. No playoff wins or 10 win seasons.

F that guy.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1195022]Cousins played great for 1 quarter.

The other 3 quarters he managed 3 fumble(2 recovered on back to back plays) and 3 points total.



KC was in full Checkdown Charlie mode for the first 3 quarters of the game (3 PTS!) with only 4 completions to Garcon and Jackson.

It took a 10pt deficit to get him to open things up.



What about the final game in that season where we absolutely needed a win for a shot at the playoffs?

First 3 quarters, 3 Pts. One completed pass to Garcon/Jackson. Notice a trend here?



I wish KC well but he isn't on my team anymore so F him!

He also never did shit for us. No playoff wins or 10 win seasons.



F that guy.[/QUOTE]



No. It was an absolute defensive gem of a game, and Our oline, st’s was terrible. We missed an easy fg. We had terrible penalties. BUT KC came through in crunch time. Anyway I already said I think Smith will fit better in Grudens offense. I was simply pointing out a dome game that Cousins didn’t lose - quite the contrary- he almost won for us- based on C Reds theory that he would be terrible in Minny based on his dome record. I was in no way lamenting letting him go.
Also you are going to take two games, and cry trend? Come on. Cousins was terrible in the first three quarters of games now? Based on your F that guy comment the only trend I see is that you are not a fan. Lol
Edit - i was a huge KC fan while he was here. Now im a huge Smith fan. But all this Cousins is the reason we lost for the last few years or never won a playoff game is garbage. We had NO run game. We had NO defense. We were undisciplined as hell. Grudens play calling was suspect to say the least. Injuries were ridiculous. But again since the switch at quarterback ive been nothing but optimistic about the future so....

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[quote=punch it in;1195017]Ok so he fumbled. Lol. Maybe his o- line was terrible. Maybe it was a loud ass stadium. Bottom line is he outplayed Stafford, and had a great game. He led us on a drive at the end of the game and than our D folded with a minute left. He completed 80 percent of his freaking passes and threw for over 300. So it wasn’t dink and dunk.[/quote]

Clearly his statline gives you a chubby but here is the game log.
[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201610230det.htm[/url]

Not one completed deep pass in the first 3 Qtrs!
Captain Pad his stats strikes again!

I wonder if he is actually going to play QB for 4 quarters in Minnesota? :cheeky:

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[QUOTE=jamf;1195024]Clearly his statline gives you a chubby but here is the game log.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201610230det.htm[/url]



Not one completed deep pass in the first 3 Qtrs!

Captain Pad his stats strikes again!



I wonder if he is actually going to play QB for 4 quarters in Minnesota? :cheeky:[/QUOTE]



Absolutely unreal that you think that was a bad game by Cousins or that im being told i have a hard on for KC. Lol. Do you remember the game? I do. Both defenses played out of their minds the first three quarters. What was thought to be a shootout was the exact opposite until quarter four. And for the last time this is all based on C Reds comment that KC going to a dome team spells disaster. But i get it KC is the reason we have sucked for the last few years. Absolute nonsense.

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Just as important, AS can play on our crappy field (well Wembly)

[YT]E6XLGs2HS3w[/YT]

though not in a dome
Record 7-6
Comp % 61.88
TD/INT 8-12

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1195027]Just as important, AS can play on our crappy field (well Wembly)



[YT]E6XLGs2HS3w[/YT][/QUOTE]



No doubt his legs add another dimension, and he is much more careful with the ball. Again I think Cousins will thrive with the offense Minny runs and those wr’s. I think Smith will thrive in our offense. So even though I think Cousins put us on his back in crunch time in some game in a dome in 2016 I think Smith will excel in our offense. Ive said several times in several different threads since the change that we will be better for it. Not because KC was bad, but we aren’t a gun slinger offense. Guice is a real key to the upcoming season. If he is the game changer I think he will be our offense is going to be methodic, precise, and efficient as hell. HTTR

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Our O will be one of the best on 3rd down

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[quote=punch it in;1195023]No. It was an absolute defensive gem of a game, and Our oline, st’s was terrible. We missed an easy fg. We had terrible penalties. BUT KC came through in crunch time. Anyway I already said I think Smith will fit better in Grudens offense. I was simply pointing out a dome game that Cousins didn’t lose - quite the contrary- he almost won for us- based on C Reds theory that he would be terrible in Minny based on his dome record. I was in no way lamenting letting him go.
Also you are going to take two games, and cry trend? Come on. Cousins was terrible in the first three quarters of games now? Based on your F that guy comment the only trend I see is that you are not a fan. Lol[/quote]

Look dude, Kirk is gone. It wasn't meant to be. There are plenty of fish in the sea.

For the record I like KC and think he is a good QB, around 10th best in the league if I had to rank him.
He is conservative and a "process" guy, this shouldn't be news to anyone. those two games are just for the first two examples that come to mind, we all remember that hearbreaking giants game.

He is going to a 13-3 team who has young talent at RB and WR.
There's no excuses for him.
With that said, I don't care how he does in Minnesotas Dome!
F that guy because he isn't my guy!

I agree that AS is a good fit for Grudens system and he is a San Diego guy so he has to be awesome! :laughing-

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[QUOTE=jamf;1195031]Look dude, Kirk is gone. It wasn't meant to be. There are plenty of fish in the sea.



For the record I like KC and think he is a good QB, around 10th best in the league if I had to rank him.

He is conservative and a "process" guy, this shouldn't be news to anyone. those two games are just for the first two examples that come to mind, we all remember that hearbreaking giants game.



He is going to a 13-3 team who has young talent at RB and WR.

There's no excuses for him.

With that said, I don't care how he does in Minnesotas Dome!

F that guy because he isn't my guy!



I agree that AS is a good fit for Grudens system and he is a San Diego guy so he has to be awesome! :laughing-[/QUOTE]



Wow. Im not sure how much clearer i can be about saying that i think Smith is the better quarterback for us. Lol. I cant bold the first sentence of your reply (cant be done on my phone, or maybe i dont know how) or i would have. I was one of KC’s biggest fans on this board WHILE HE WAS HERE. Since than, I have been nothing but optimistic about Smith and our future. Do I have to say “fuck that guy” to make you believe that me and my chubby are over it and moving on? Because I wont. I am not going to curse him now that he is gone. He was the best quarterback we had in twenty years. But I challenge u to find one post i have made since he left where I complained in any way about it.

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[quote=punch it in;1195026]Absolutely unreal that you think that was a bad game by Cousins or that im being told i have a hard on for KC. Lol. Do you remember the game? I do. Both defenses played out of their minds the first three quarters. What was thought to be a shootout was the exact opposite until quarter four. And for the last time this is all based on C Reds comment that KC going to a dome team spells disaster. But i get it KC is the reason we have sucked for the last few years. Absolute nonsense.[/quote]

He did not have a great game, he had a great quarter.

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[quote=punch it in;1195032]Wow. Im not sure how much clearer i can be about saying that i think Smith is the better quarterback for us. Lol. I cant bold the first sentence of your reply (cant be done on my phone, or maybe i dont know how) or i would have. I was one of KC’s biggest fans on this board WHILE HE WAS HERE. Since than, I have been nothing but optimistic about Smith and our future. Do I have to say “fuck that guy” to make you believe that me and my chubby are over it and moving on? Because I wont. I am not going to curse him now that he is gone. He was the best quarterback we had in twenty years. But I challenge u to find one post i have made since he left where I complained in any way about it.[/quote]

The odd thing is I agree with you.
Not sure where we got side tracked.

I just couldn't accept anyone saying KC had a great game against detroit.
That's my only issue.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1195033]He did not have a great game, he had a great quarter.[/QUOTE]



Since when do we decide who had a great game based on individual quarters. I dont care when he had a 107 rating, was 30-39, threw for 300 yards, and ran up the gut for 19 yards and a TD, threw for one td and 0 picks in a loud ass road game against a good team. Dont care if it was in one quarter, or four.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1195034]The odd thing is I agree with you.

Not sure where we got side tracked.



I just couldn't accept anyone saying KC had a great game against detroit.

That's my only issue.[/QUOTE]



We got side tracked when C Red trolled us with a dome game stat. Lol. I was simply pointing one out that we lost and the loss was definitely not on Cousins. Our ST shit the bed. We had terrible penalties and our defense folded like a cheap lawn chair after KC went on what should have been a game winning drive. Anyway moving on we both agree that the future is bright and AS “should” thrive in DC.

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Why are we (and be we, I mean not me) debating whether Cousins had a good game or good quarter against Detroit 3 years ago? Perhaps we should re-title this thread "Alex Smith and Moving On."

These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along. move along.

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KC sucks ass. Cannot play in a dome. Every loss we had while he was here was his responsibility based on either poor play or a lack of leadership.

He was terrible in the Detroit game and the loss was all his fault.

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[QUOTE=calia;1195037]Why are we (and be we, I mean not me) debating whether Cousins had a good game or good quarter against Detroit 3 years ago? Perhaps we should re-title this thread "Alex Smith and Moving On."



These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along. move along.[/QUOTE]



Ask C-Red. Lol. I made the mistake of looking into a peculiar stat he threw out there. It is the first and last time i look into peculiar stats. Trust me.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1195038]KC sucks ass. Cannot play in a dome. Every loss we had while he was here was his responsibility based on either poor play or a lack of leadership.



He was terrible in the Detroit game and the loss was all his fault.[/QUOTE]



Im sorry I accused you of having no conviction and taking the middle of the road safe place. [emoji23]

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[quote=punch it in;1195039]Ask C-Red. Lol. I made the mistake of looking into a peculiar stat he threw out there. It is the first and last time i look into peculiar stats. [B]Trust me[/B].[/quote]

That made me laugh out loud. I do trust you.

Back to Alex Smith -- I am excited to see what he can bring to the offense. He's also a real quality individual -- someone who seems likely to have a better chance to lead the team than Cousins, if only because of the drama that had begun to blow up around the annual question of a long term deal and whether he was appreciated by Snyder/Allen/Gruden. I wish the guy well, but he's no longer my QB.

I think Alex Smith is poised to have a strong year and prove everyone he isn't too conservative. His O line will be better than what he had in KC, although some of the skills players around him are still unproven. But I am excited about the potential of some of our newer players, and the D could be much improved if we can get one of our CBs to perform as well (or nearly as well) as Breeland.

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And our run game - im not sure if im overhyping Guice or not. I just think he is going to play with a chip on his shoulder since so many teams passed on him so many times. Plus it will not be tough to be better than what we have had since Portis.

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[quote=punch it in;1194962]Oh God. If there is one former quarterback who should never be mentioned by name again it is him. I don’t think he ever completed a pass for over 4 yards. Actually I don’t think he ever attempted a pass for over four yards. [B]That was probably the most trying time to be a Skins fan[/B].[/quote]

Which was 2 seasons after I became a Skins fan... talk about testing your love early in a relationship! Can only go up from there!

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[quote=frenchskin;1195054]which was 2 seasons after i became a skins fan... Talk about testing your love early in a relationship! Can only go up from there![/quote]



lmao

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Running some numbers on dome vs. outside games

Passing numbers absolutely inflated in domes/retractable roof stadiums

Since 2001,

Passer rating in dome/retractable: 86.5

Passer rating outdoors: 80.7

#PFF

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1195084]Running some numbers on dome vs. outside games



Passing numbers absolutely inflated in domes/retractable roof stadiums



Since 2001,



Passer rating in dome/retractable: 86.5



Passer rating outdoors: 80.7



#PFF[/QUOTE]



Weather definitely not an issue, but crowd noise is. Would be more interested in road games in dome where noise is a factor. Can you do that? Im terrible at stat figure outing. Lol
Anyway id imagine for a home quarterback it is a definite advantage because of the lack of wind rain snow etc.

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[quote=punch it in;1195089]Weather definitely not an issue, but crowd noise is. Would be more interested in road games in dome where noise is a factor. Can you do that? Im terrible at stat figure outing. Lol
Anyway id imagine for a home quarterback it is a definite advantage because of the lack of wind rain snow etc.[/quote]

Brees only

121 games outdoors, 119 games in a dome

Outdoors
Passer Rating: 90.9

Dome
Passer Rating: 102.6

So yes home dome is def an advantage

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[url]https://twitter.com/ChrisWesseling/status/1002242117354143745[/url]

Interesting stat on percentage of drives (excluding kneel downs) that led to scoring:

AS - 6th at 46.9%
KC - 22nd at 33%

Obviously a stat dependent on teammates but still interesting.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1195096]Brees only

121 games outdoors, 119 games in a dome

Outdoors
Passer Rating: 90.9

Dome
Passer Rating: 102.6

So yes home dome is def an advantage[/quote]

Is it Home Dome that's an advantage? Or is it just that Home is an advantage?

Is this spread in passer rating any different for teams who play in outdoor stadiums?

We're officially off the rails.

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[quote=Schneed10;1195099]Is it Home Dome that's an advantage? Or is it just that Home is an advantage?

Is this spread in passer rating any different for teams who play in outdoor stadiums?

[B]We're officially off the rails.[/B][/quote]


LOL yeah we are getting desperate, need training camp to get here asap.

Home dome is the advantage over playing outside at home

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1195097][url]https://twitter.com/ChrisWesseling/status/1002242117354143745[/url]

Interesting stat on percentage of drives (excluding kneel downs) that led to scoring:

AS - 6th at 46.9%
KC - 22nd at 33%

Obviously a stat dependent on teammates but still interesting.[/quote]

Yeah like Schneed said, we are off the rails right now

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1195038]KC sucks ass. Cannot play in a dome. Every loss we had while he was here was his responsibility based on either poor play or a lack of leadership.

He was terrible in the Detroit game and the loss was all his fault.[/quote]

Man I got my threads mixed up, I was going to call KC a racist and puppy kicker.

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Last post I'll do on Kirks overall game, this is his RZ %s. kirk's biggest area of needed improvement is the RZ. He ranked in the bottom half of the league in RZ completion %. Alex Smith? He was in the top 10. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180601/f624fa9275f20142054307509c1ef1fd.jpg[/IMG]

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But how are his RZ stats in a dome?