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Orton is an upgrade over Rex folks, lets be real here. He's had a pretty good 2 years in Denver

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[quote=Mattyk;800459]Would love to make that deal[/quote]

It's clear at least from this article Denver is definitely in the market for a 4-3 defensive lineman with an eye towards free agency. Haynesworth is not a free agent but we do know they're looking, how far they would be willing to go in his pursuit is a good question.

[url=http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_17971898]Paige: Broncos must get defensive tackle in free agency - The Denver Post[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;800459]Would love to make that deal[/quote]

So would I, Orton is better than any QB we've had in a few years and get AH OUT!!!!!

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rex played well to end the season. he threw for over 300 yards in 2 of his 3 starts, had more touchdowns than interceptions, and had over an 80 qb rating. if he or beck puts up numbers like that over the length of a season, we will be fine at QB. not spectacular, but passable for this season. these 2 qbs seem to fit the system which is the most important thing. im ok with this right now. im happy with how we drafted and we should be stronger than last year even with our current qb situation.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800646]So would I, Orton is better than any QB we've had in a few years and get AH OUT!!!!![/quote]

Orton could be available unless it is their intention to ultimately keep both he and Tebow. Elway hints Tebow could be the man.

[url=http://www.yardbarker.com/sites/site/8017]Broncos Central: Latest Stories[/url]

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I would rahter trade him for Tebow and not Orton

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19 minutes in and we finally get our first Tebow question from Ken, an original ticket holder.

Fox, answering Ken's question about if #15 could be traded, said it hasn't been "a remote possibility."
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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;800634]Orton is an upgrade over Rex folks, lets be real here. He's had a pretty good 2 years in Denver[/quote]

I don't know. The New England offense makes me worry about other QB's when they get outside that system. See Matt Cassel during his first year away from New England, as well as Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen.

Besides Orton had Lloyd, the best receiver ever :D

Either way I will take Year 3 Grossman over Year 1 Orton.

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[quote=Ruhskins;800489]All signs point to Tebow in Denver. And Denver has a big need at DT for their 4-3 defense. They prob should've taken Dareus, but I guess they went for the better player in Von Miller.[/quote]

Not buying it til I see it. There is no way that John Elway is sold on the guy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800634]Orton is an upgrade over Rex folks, lets be real here. He's had a pretty good 2 years in Denver[/quote]

He's been ok but the guy is just an average NFL QB. If it's an upgrade it's a very small one. I'd want a draft pick for Al, not a QB that isn't going to make the team better.

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^ KO would be better than any pick we would get for AH

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800686]^ KO would be better than any pick we would get for AH[/quote]

Id take a dirty diaper for big AL. They both have similar qualities.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;800698]Id take a dirty diaper for big AL. They both have similar qualities.[/quote]

I'd rather take Kyle Orton.

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I'll pass on Orton, he may cost picks in next year's draft. Maybe Rosenfels will be available, he has experience in the Houston offense.

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[quote=Son Of Man;800703]I'll pass on Orton, he may cost picks in next year's draft. Maybe Rosenfels will be available, [B]he has experience in the Houston offense.[/B][/quote]

Well then you just sign Grossman. Still, it seems that Denver may be a trade partner when it comes to Haynesworth. I know the guy is a POS, but if another team wants to give something up for him, hey that's good for our team (small victory).

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Orton is regarded as the top QB available outside of Kolb , IF both even become available.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81fa3eb3/article/dozenplayer-draft-haul-didnt-hit-redskins-biggest-need?module=HP_cp2]NFL.com news: Dozen-player draft haul didn't hit Redskins' biggest need[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800750][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81fa3eb3/article/dozenplayer-draft-haul-didnt-hit-redskins-biggest-need?module=HP_cp2]NFL.com news: Dozen-player draft haul didn't hit Redskins' biggest need[/url][/quote]

Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.

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[quote=Ruhskins;800699]I'd rather take Kyle Orton.[/quote]

Orton,Grossman, Kolb, = Apples to Apples to Apples.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;800766]Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.[/quote]

Criticism and bewilderment continues to surface as to why the Redskins chose not to select a QB when they had a choice between both Gabbert and Ponder during the process and either was available at the time of their choosing.

The writer here makes a case for the fact that we won't know until the career's of the two begin to take shape and their success or failure are realized by their respective teams. However, regardless of their end results [whatever they may be] there's no guarantee it would necessarily have translated to the Redskins.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/05/02/11/Tandler-Choices-not-made-could-define-Sk/landing_redskins_loud3r.html?blockID=514970&feedID=4717]Tandler: Choices not made could define Skins' draft[/url]

It's become painfully obvious the relationship with Donovan McNabb and the team cannot be reconciled. John Beck is the only other QB on the roster under contract though no one really believes it's Shanahan's true intention to start the season with him at the controls. However, when Shanahan cntinues to make statements like this [Q] “Let me say, when John Beck did come out, I had him rated as the top quarterback coming out that year, and I didn’t even think it was close...I had a lot of confidence in John Beck when he came out in 2007. I evaluate the quarterbacks every year, and I do have confidence in John Beck. He was by far my No. 1 guy. I think the world of him.” [U]

He goes on further to say [Q] " I evaluated him throughout his pro career and collegiate career, so I know him quite well...And when you see a guy practice every day, whether it’s your system or against the defense, surely you can see his strengths and his weaknesses. As I mentioned, I told you what I thought about him in college, and he has not disappointed me since he’s been here" [U] Nowhere in his praise for beck does he make a clear-cut case proclaiming him to be the Redskins starting QB to begin the 2011 season.

For those fans who believe every word that proceeds out of the mouth of coach Shanahan, statements like these are causing both uneasiness and great concern to say the least. Many however do not put a great deal of faith in his praise, nor are they so absorbed by it that they don't believe he has a plan.

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I honestly dont believe how everyone can be jumping on McNabb, blaming him for the continued struggle of the QB position in Washington. The common denominator in ALL of QB struggles over the past 8 years has been an ignored offensive line. I would love McNabb to be back in a Redskins uniform next year. He is still a good QB and we can win games with him and in my opinion go deep into the playoffs with him. Anyone can see the offensive line is and has been the reason for our struggles offensively over the years. If we address the line and get it to a "good" rating, McNabb would do wonders here. If Torain can stay healthy, if Jamaal Brown can come into camp healthy, Lickensteigher (SP) is going to be decent, not sure about right guard or center, but damn we should be competative with McNabb at QB.

Side note, Capers, the kid from WVU, should be watched this year. He played in a zone blocking system at WVU where the lineman have to be athletic and able to move north and south as well as east and west. He could be moved to guard and has good size, power and was pretty athletic for a big guy. Will Montgomery should compete for the center position this year, and let rabach be a back up. I just dont think he has the power to defend against these big ass DT in the league anymore.

John Beck??? I dont give a rats ass who is a QB as long as we are winning games. They could bring in Brady Quinn for all I care, as long as we are winning games, i really dont care. Have a feeling though, Sexy Rexy will be back and will probably be our started next year. Which, honestly dont have an issue with. He knows the offense, can throw the ball pretty well, and if we get the offense working, shouldnt be throwing it more that 25 times a game.

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McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.

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[quote=Mattyk;800793]McNabb is done here. Last year wasn't all his fault, but he shouldn't go without some blame too.[/quote]


Not saying he doesn't deserve some blame. Some of his pics were bad throws, but majority of them were either tipped by the receivers, or piss poor routes (galloway stands out). He was sacked or hurried as much or more than any QB in the leauge. I agree he is done here, but I dont think it is or should be based on his performance being horrible. I just hope who ever is under center has better protection and a better run game that last year. Torain really ran the ball well last year, problem was he was injured too much.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;800766]Before people jump down their throats remember they might be right. With the exception of 2005 and 2007 every analyst has been right in being critical of the Redskins since this site opened in 2004. I loved the draft class but I also realize I might be blinded from one to many shots of kool aid.

Sure Beck could succeed and fulfill his potential but relying on him (assuming we do) could be just as stupid as drafting 3 pass catchers in 2008 during the second round.

Either way we're still just fans and only have minimal influence (at least in the short term) on the teams decisions so at least in the short term the only thing we can really do is go with the flow.[/quote]

To me it depends on how the criticism is couched:

a) some analysts have argued, "Who will play QB in 2011?," and downgraded us. That seems like poor criticism. No one in this year's class, it seems, should be an immediate starter, not even my boy Ponder. There just was no Ryan or Bradford in this year's class. So when critics slam us essentially for not picking an immediate QB starter, I think they are off base.

b) conversely, some analysts like Kiper have argued that we failed to take care of the future of our QB situation. These critics appear to be correct.

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This was a very weak QB class to begin with - the same analysts who criticize us for NOT drafting a QB are also criticizing other teams for reaching for QBs too early in the draft. If we had reached for one ourselves, they would be criticizing us for that. These "analysts" get paid for offering an analysis and its far easier to criticize a situation on the suface than it is to actually devle deeper and do a realistic assessment.

unless we used our #10 overall pick on a QB, we likely would not have found a QB who could start and perform better than Grossman/Beck within the next 3 years.

Your wife may say she wants you to get some steak at the grocery store, but if there are only 3 steaks left and they all are expired and putrid, you would be stupid to buy a steak. you know the store is going to get fresh meat in tomorrow, and there will be some good steaks. tonight, you can get the chicken thats buy-one-get one free. tomorrow you can go back to the store to get your wife her steak.

That's what we've done here. This team has too many needs to be fixed in one off-season. Its going to take several years so we might as well replinish our team with the best players we can get at the positions (plural) of need in any given year. next year, hopefully we will have less needs and we can then justify reaching for one particular need if necessary.

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[quote=#56fanatic;800796]Not saying he doesn't deserve some blame. Some of his pics were bad throws, but majority of them were either tipped by the receivers, or piss poor routes (galloway stands out). He was sacked or hurried as much or more than any QB in the leauge. I agree he is done here, but I dont think it is or should be based on his performance being horrible. I just hope who ever is under center has better protection and a better run game that last year. Torain really ran the ball well last year, problem was he was injured too much.[/quote]

I cannot remember the last time I saw McNabb hit a reciever in stride. As bad as he was (and NO he generally did not get great protecton), he was worse than his numbers would suggest. Our WR had to slow down, stop, break off the route etc just to pull in the ball.
He may work out for somebody else, but he is not the kind of guy we are looking for. He has proven to be a masterful politician, and a mediocre QB who requires things on his terms. I find that unnacceptable. He was treated....surly or so it appears.
Good bye....Good luck, your not our type of guy. LOOK at the type of guy we drafted...........

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[quote=Lotus;800803]To me it depends on how the criticism is couched:

a) some analysts have argued, "Who will play QB in 2011?," and downgraded us. That seems like poor criticism. No one in this year's class, it seems, should be an immediate starter, not even my boy Ponder. There just was no Ryan or Bradford in this year's class. So when critics slam us essentially for not picking an immediate QB starter, I think they are off base.

[B]b) conversely, some analysts like Kiper have argued that we failed to take care of the future of our QB situation. These critics appear to be correct.[/B][/quote]

That's my argument. But hey, I hope I'm wrong about Beck (maybe even Grossman is our future QB) and the offseason isn't done yet

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I believe this draft class is pretty weak. Almost every one of them was taken higher than they really should have been compared to recent history. I agree we have not taken care of the future at QB. I am not convinced any of the futures offered to us in the draft were worth pursuing.

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Next year will be the time to grab a QB of the future.

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Hopefully we get the number one pick next year or someone like CAR (that is set at QB or not willing to draft another QB) has it and is willing to trade. I love to have Andrew Luck.

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[quote=Mattyk;800830]Next year will be the time to grab a QB of the future.[/quote]

I have to reluctantly agree. I am a huge Locker fan, but after he was taken at #8 we were SOL. IMO it would have been even worse if the FO then just took a QB (who they weren't sold on as potentially being "the guy") just to say we got one. If the guy you beleive in isn't there, then move on to other positions of need. I'm surprised by some of the criticism. Like taking a 5th or 6th round QB was going to make us a better football team?

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[quote=Son Of Man;800834]I have to reluctantly agree. I am a huge Locker fan, but after he was taken at #8 we were SOL. IMO it would have been even worse if the FO then just took a QB (who they weren't sold on as potentially being "the guy") just to say we got one. If the guy you beleive in isn't there, then move on to other positions of need. I'm surprised by some of the criticism. [B]Like taking a 5th or 6th round QB was going to make us a better football team[/B]?[/quote]

Definitely not, for this year at least. Depending on how long the CBA situation drags out, the potential impact for a rookie QB could be minimal this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;800830]Next year will be the time to grab a QB of the future.[/quote]

Really? Who besides Luck

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Luck is the only QB coming out? lol


Kipers top 5 QBs for 2012 (draft eligible)

1. Andrew Luck
2. Nick Foles
3. Kirk Cousins
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Ryan Tannehill

Analysis: This is an interesting list right off the bat. Luck will command the most attention, for sure. Even with a new coach, he will be a front-runner for No. 1 in the 2012 NFL draft from August onward. Weeden put up video-game-esque numbers in Stillwater and could do it again with WR Justin Blackmon returning. Weeden does lose his O-coordinator. Foles has all the measurables.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800841]Really? Who besides Luck[/quote]

Barkley out of USC gets better and better each year and has the mobility needed to run this offense. Then there's also Foles from Arizona, Pryor from OSU, or Jones from Oklahoma if he declares early.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;800841]Really? Who besides Luck[/quote]

Matt Barkley- USC
Tyler Wilson- Arkansas
Brandon Weeden- OSU
Landry Jones- OU
Kirk Cousins- Michigan State


*In no particular order.

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SHould have taken Mallett.

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[quote=Mattyk;800843]Luck is the only QB coming out? lol


Kipers top 5 QBs for 2012 (draft eligible)

1. Andrew Luck
2. Nick Foles
3. Kirk Cousins
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Ryan Tannehill

Analysis: This is an interesting list right off the bat. Luck will command the most attention, for sure. Even with a new coach, he will be a front-runner for No. 1 in the 2012 NFL draft from August onward. Weeden put up video-game-esque numbers in Stillwater and could do it again with WR Justin Blackmon returning. Weeden does lose his O-coordinator. Foles has all the measurables.[/quote]


Weeden is about 27 years old, played baseball for a few years. Reminds me of Chad Hutchinson.

I like Nick Foles

Kirk Cousins looks decent but not better than Gabbert or Mallett IMO.

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[quote=Son Of Man;800846]Matt Barkley- USC
[B]Tyler Wilson- Arkansas[/B]
Brandon Weeden- OSU
Landry Jones- OU
Kirk Cousins- Michigan State


*In no particular order.[/quote]

WHO?


And Landry Jones has a chance to become a Mallett type QB but thats yet to be seen

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Who can believe what Shannahan says? His word is untrustworthy. He has a plan at QB. Yeah, and I have a plan to win the lottery. He had a plan at the draft and I think it backfired. I hope his plan includes trading Haynesworth for a starting quarterback. I think Vince Young, Kyle Orton and Carson Palmer are equals. Not for one minute did I believe John Beck is our starter. Just like I didn't believe the multiple excuses for benching McNabb. Shanny is shaky.