Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=NC_Skins;881557]Base on what evidence?[/quote]

Based on the evidence of spinal stenosis being a narrowing of the spine that deteriorates over time and that three spinal fusions in the same place over a 10 month period is not reassuring in the fact that it is getting better, more likely that it is getting worse.

Although I am not a Dr. or medical expert, I am fairly confident from what I have looked into the matter that a typical spinal fusion is only needed on a specific vertebrae once. People often have multiple fusions if they have a neck and spinal disorder, but on different vertebrae. The fact that he has had three surgeries on the same area is, IMO, a very telling outcome and not in a positive way.

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=SkinzWin;881558] could find a Dr. that was willing to grant him the medical clearance he desired. [/quote]


None of those doctors are going to stake their reputation like that. It would also be grounds for a huge lawsuit if they cleared him on false grounds. These guys are some of the best in the business AND one of the doctors is the team neurosurgeon for the Colts.

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[quote=Mattyk;881545]We sure have a lot of doctors in the house eh?

lol

The Dr. who performed his surgery cleared him, of course he still has to keep rehabbing to get the strength back in his arm, but regardless it sounds like he's on the right track.[/quote]

I'm not a Dr. but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Does that count?

Seriously though, the nerves that fire to his tricep are what's holding things up. Problem is you get muscular atrophy because muscles need nerve stimulation to exist. There's treatments like steriods (LOL), electrical stimulation, rigorous exercises trying to jump start those nerves, etc.

His neck is what all the Doc's are okaying.

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lol I'm not a Dr. but, here's my medical opinion.

Hilarious.

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=NC_Skins;881565]None of those doctors are going to stake their reputation like that. It would also be grounds for a huge lawsuit if they cleared him on false grounds. These guys are some of the best in the business AND one of the doctors is the team neurosurgeon for the Colts.[/quote]

Just like a Dr. wouldn't stake their reputation writing prescriptions for illegal performance enhancing HGH steroids for professional baseball players? Deception and illegal actions in medicine are just as prevalent as in all other industries. I believe it would be naive to think otherwise.

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[quote=Mattyk;881571]lol I'm not a Dr. but, here's my medical opinion.

Hilarious.[/quote]

People are acting like this guy cleared Manning...

[IMG]http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Dr-Nick-Riviera.png[/IMG]

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=SkinzWin;881572]Just like a Dr. wouldn't stake their reputation writing prescriptions for illegal performance enhancing HGH steroids for professional baseball players? Deception and illegal actions in medicine are just as prevalent as in all other industries. I believe it would be naive to think otherwise.[/quote]

lol foreign doctors? That particular doctor was in Canada, and most went to him because he would prescribe HGH. This wasn't some big time doc like Dr. Andrews with the Redskins. Notice he wasn't giving out HGH to players.


Also, your point is invalid the moment the Colts neurosurgeon cleared him as well. Even if he got some random doctor to clear him, the team doctor wouldn't have. In fact, it would have been in the Colts best interest if he hadn't cleared.

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[quote=Mattyk;881571]lol I'm not a Dr. but, here's my medical opinion.

Hilarious.[/quote]

Glad I could fill that prescription for you. That will be $10 for your co-pay.

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=NC_Skins;881576]lol foreign doctors? That particular doctor was in Canada, and most went to him because he would prescribe HGH. This wasn't some big time doc like Dr. Andrews with the Redskins. Notice he wasn't giving out HGH to players.


Also, your point is invalid the moment the Colts neurosurgeon cleared him as well. Even if he got some random doctor to clear him, the team doctor wouldn't have. In fact, it would have been in the Colts best interest if he hadn't cleared.[/quote]

Then why did Irsay refute the Colt's own Dr. assessment?

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=SkinzWin;881583]Then why did Irsay refute the Colt's own Dr. assessment?[/quote]

Irsay is saying he hasn't passed a team physical, therefore he hasn't been cleared to play for the Colts.

PM's Dr. is saying his neck is sound, which is true, the arm is another story.

Both sides are just politicking at this point.

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

It could just be that Peyton has not taken an official Colts physical exam recently. If irsay is going to spout that he has not been cleared by the Colts then he should tell everyone the date of the last failed Colts physical.

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Well everyone seems to very against what I have said, and maybe I am wrong on all accounts previously mentioned. As I said, I'm not a doctor. I just think it is hard to believe with the condition that he has and all the surgeries he has been through that he can't be 100% next season. At the end of the day I just don't want to take a risk on a 36 year old guy with a degenerative neck disease and three neck fusions to lead our football team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;881575]People are acting like this guy cleared Manning...

[IMG]http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Dr-Nick-Riviera.png[/IMG][/quote]

LOL you can go ahead and just say my name instead of people ;)

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[quote=SmootSmack;881562]man...first post over 4 years after joining. Earthquake and Colt have quite an effect on people[/quote]

Haha, I am a quiet guy by nature and I guess it just translates the boards as well, and I take this time to personally thank you SS, Matty and everyone else for the quality posts that have kept me entertained and informed over the last 4 years. Hopefully I am turning a page and will someday get out of this NEWB avatar. But you're also correct, if the brass thinks that Colt is the answer to anything I will think chaos theory makes more sense than the thinking of the Redskins FO. Not to say that they currently aren't far off.

Re: Peyton manning cleared to play
 

[quote=SmootSmack;881505]Hypothetically, what if you could sign Peyton and hold onto your #6 overall pick and take Tannehill there. Or even trade down some and take Tannehill (or whatever QB you prefer) and add more picks.

In other words, what's worth more Luck/Bradford/RG3 starting now and a significant loss of draft picks or Tannehill (or whoever) starting in 2 years with all your draft picks and maybe more?[/quote]

Indirectly, I don't care about players' salaries or the salary cap. What's ****s with me is the "Dream Team" fallacy. Manning and the "highest paid quarterback" nomenclature that comes along with signing him and being able to continue to build the team through the draft sounds great. And no, don't draft Tannehill or any QB at 6th overall unless it's Luck or RG3. And do you guys think Manning will have some influence on the draft? Are we still in hypothetical land? Good. Manning may not be peeking into the war room come draft day but, it would be a smart thing to put in a few cogs to keep Manning from appearing over-the-hill. One has to consider that there hasn't been a legitimate QB groomed under Manning. Why think Tannehill, Cousins, or whoever will be the first? The Skins would be better off Signing Archie...