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[B][U][COLOR="Red"]LEAVE ALBERT ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:) Sorry guys that was my best chris crocker impression. And no i m kidding. I never was on AH's side...

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[quote=GTripp0012;766544]Depends. I'm not exactly sure where AH's side is right now.

As far as the Redskins mismanagement since the beginning of the season, this move merely beats the horse that died in August. Maybe it was the only move to shut him down for the year. You're 5-7. It's not a very strong statement.[/quote]

For this season, no it's not a strong statement but from an organizational perspective it does signify that it's not the players, not the owner but the head coach who is running things. I don't think not having Haynesworth cost us any games nor did he win any games for us but this move signals a shift in what's happened over the past 12 years at Redskins Park.

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[quote=Ruhskins;766517]So does AH become the biggest Redskins bust of all time? I kinda think so but wanted to get other opinions.[/quote]

Hard to say. We got a little more production from him than we did from, say, Archuleta. Not much, but a little. But we paid a lot more, of course.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;766550]I tend to drink a lot of KoolAid, so I know many will say I am being a ridiculous homer, but I understand and support the way this was handled.

You have a rare talent, a guy who could be elite, but who, as Terl showed in his blog I quoted, also a guy who has given half a** attempts, and belittled nearly every coach and scheme he has had. I have no doubt that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan would NOT have brought AH in. They didn't bring in Peppers, they didn't bring in VJax or TO or other possible headaches. So let's be clear on some facts:

1) AH was the past FO's hire, Not BA/MS
2) During MS' year off, he decided he was going to implement the 3-4 D wherever he goes, because it is in his eyes the better D.
3) AH has a level of talent, that when applied could be elite
4) AH never has had a full season where he applied himself game in and game out.
5) AH got a lot of money
6) MS told AH upfront that if he took the bonus, this is what was expected.
7) AH took the money
8) MS is the Head Coach
9) AH is not.

I think those are the underlying facts, now, how you want to handle that situation, maybe it goes differently, but I doubt it. I think MS had to be tough and not give in, for the sake of the Team. I think giving away a talent like AH is a very difficult move, and the cost benefit analysis probably reflects the tough decision. For the right value I think you trade him, but for the wrong value, ie too little, why give another team his service this year? Sure you won't get much or anything now, but a 4th isn't a comparable trade value. So you really are stuck trying to make it work out in a situation where no one has a good reason to give ground.

For culture purposes, this should put to rest any notion that the Skins are a come and not give effort type club. That's a good thing.

I don't really care about the money - its not mine.

I had hoped that AH would show up - he didn't.

A 4-3 may have gotten us how many more wins? not enough to justify AH's behavior.

If a defensive change was to be made - this was the year to do it.

[B][U]In the end, I just want the Redskins to make sane hiring decisions, the lunacy just needed to end[/U][/B].[/quote]

you said a lot in your post but the last sentence sums up the situation as a whole.

i was just talkin with someone about all the big name free aganets we have come across in the past and everytime we thought we named them all we thought of another one. i'd say all in all this was the worst of them all but there are some very close runners up, i just hope he is the last, atleast for a year or two :cheeky-sm

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Someone tweeted this on Adam S. website, I like the #1 pick but not VY.

RT @Robertissogreat: during offseason, trade Vince Young & 1st rd pick to skins for mcnabb & haynesworth. EVERYBODY'S HAPPY! ... Not Tenn.

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[quote=Lotus;766563]Hard to say. We got a little more production from him than we did from, say, Archuleta. Not much, but a little. But we paid a lot more, of course.[/quote]

i think ah get's the crown, but closely followed by archuleta and jason taylor, miami really got us good on that one

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[quote=Ruhskins;766517]So does AH become the biggest Redskins bust of all time? I kinda think so but wanted to get other opinions.[/quote]

A bust for me is a guy that can't play.

AH can play, when he wants to.

I would label it just a bad move, but not a bust. And a huge waste of money too, but that's Danny's problem.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;766539]Pockets Straight may have weeped today. I know he is/was a big AH supporter.

I mean, I can understand the suspension, the guy has been a plague all season, but there's no denying when he was healthy, had his head in the game and was actually utilized, he was a force. Unfortunately, times like that were few and far between.

Better luck somewhere else, big guy.[/quote]

In all seriousness, when has he been a force in the Burgandy and Gold?

He had one great year when he was motivated in Tennesse...he has shown nothing to indicated he can help this team. Defense ranked in the 30s with him "playing" this year.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;766569]In all seriousness, when has he been a force in the Burgandy and Gold?

He had one great year when he was motivated in Tennesse...he has shown nothing to indicated he can help this team. Defense ranked in the 30s with him "playing" this year.[/quote]

Maybe she meant farce? lol

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[quote=mlmdub130;766567]i think ah get's the crown, but closely followed by archuleta and jason taylor, [B]miami really got us good on that one[/B][/quote]
Ehh, yes they got a 2nd and a 5th but in order for someone to 'get us' IMO they needed to draft a player that contributes to their team with that pick. The Dolphins drafted Pat White with our 2nd round pick and I want to say we got our 6th round pick back, didn't we?

Either way, Al will become the new Deion, Bruce Smith, Jeff George that lazy journalists will trot out whenever we sign a free agent or trade for a veteran.

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I can't criticize MS too much for this one, though he may've been too stubborn at some point, I don't know enough. From the outside it appeared that MS tried to make it work & AH also tried some too. MS was in a difficult position because of the $ that DS paid for AH & because he's the best DT in the game when he's really playing.

If they don't get anything for him, that's ok, I think it had to happen like this due to these factors. I think most agree here that Allen & MS would've never brought him here.

One way, maybe the only way, they can trade him is by packaging him w/another player & making the deal contingent upon it. I don't know who that player or players might be.

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Good article:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApQO6pnZQLvTz2MPumJhMm45nYcB?slug=ms-shanahanwins120710]Shanny's winning formula: Prevail over players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/07/union-gathers-facts-regarding-haynesworth-suspension/]Union gathers facts regarding Haynesworth suspension | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;766576]Good article:

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApQO6pnZQLvTz2MPumJhMm45nYcB?slug=ms-shanahanwins120710"]Shanny's winning formula: Prevail over players - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

The problem is that Shanahan’s teams aren’t winning. Worse, Shanahan has turned a good asset in Haynesworth into a worthless property. Instead of either trading Haynesworth before the season or at some point before the deadline in October – when the Redskins could have presumably received a second-round pick for him – opposing teams will now wait until Washington cuts Haynesworth this offseason.
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Nobody was offering a 2nd rd pick for him, otherwise he would have been outta here.

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Was this mentioned in here yet? Doesn't surprise me if true.

[url=http://twitter.com/kjohnsoncsn/status/11934437310726144]Twitter / Kelli Johnson: Several team sources tell ...[/url]


What a waste of talent.