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[quote=redsk1;536787]My post was in response to someone saying b/c we have drafted JC, LL, CC, Horton, and others that we have a long term plan. I was simply making a point that we have no long term plan. Just cause we drafted some guys here and there doesn't make it a long term plan.

I also made the point that we don't have as much talent as many think we do.

I think you missed my point.[/quote]

I'm still not sure you had one. I didn't get the whole Chargers reference quite honestly

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;536763]How can a team accidentally win a superbowl?[/quote]


See Cowboys under Barry Switzer.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;536932]See Cowboys under Barry Switzer.[/quote]

Nah, that was a team that won without a head coach.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536890]I doubt most fans really want to hear about long term plans: look at the [B]recent threads "when do we cut MK & DT"[/B] in another the author of the OP of this thread who wants a plan, also wants to bring in a WR (Holt) who is in his 13th year and noticibly declining. I certainly have actions I would have liked to seen happen (Hunter, Hixon) but VC and DS, look at all the options coming up and don't always go with the fan favorite of the day. That IS a good thing. [/quote]Well, this is going to seem nitpicky, but it's important to realize that the thread came with a qualifier. It wasn't asking how quickly can we release these guys, it was basically asking how many zero production seasons we wait through before optimism gives way to reality. It's an important disctiction, because if both guys combine for 1,300 yards and 8 TDs this year, the entire thread premise is moot.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;536618]I am one frustrated Redskins fan. Here's what I see.

We've gone back to the same bad habits that have cost us draft picks and cap space and that I believe will surely doom us to continued mediocrity. The Jason Taylor fiasco, another of our customary panic moves, cost us dearly in draft picks. Albert Haynesworth, as great as he is, represents a whopping chunk of our cap space which seems to have precluded our making other FA moves.

Meanwhile, we have holes to fill - big holes. We need a RT, a SLB, a RDE, OL backups, a Kicker, a Punter, a PR, and maybe more. Right now, it looks like we might bring back Daniels and Washington. That's nice, but, at this point in their careers they're only stop-gap solutions.

Even with Haynesworth, this doesn't look to me like a team that is poised to make a playoff run in the tough NFC East. Sure, I wanted Haynesworth, but what do I know? I'm just a dumb fan who loves to watch great football players do their thing in B&G. I don't need to have a plan. But shouldn't the FO have one? If they do, I just can't see it.

If you can detect a plan in all this, clue me in. Also, what do [B]you[/B] think the plan should be?[/quote]

...do you think the Falcons had a plan..or the Dolphins..and we didn't?...all they had was the loser's schedule and got lucky with Qbs that didn't lose more games than were won..

the plan has always been make a splash bring in the best you can and continue to sell tickets..
improve and like in any sport hope the stars align themselves ..football has 45
players..all with a role..you coach em up and play to win. ..we get a decent draw with the schedule this year...that will play as important a role as Jason Campbell proving that he wasn't just another mistake made at QB in Washington

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I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.

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[quote=gully;536972]I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.[/quote]Uh, they won't.

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[quote=Mattyk72;536877]So if wins is all that matters why did you bring up the leadership angle in the first place?[/quote]

I shouldn't have brought it up since I have no first hand knowledge of whether or not JC's teammates view him as a leader. I stand corrected.

On the other hand, I stand by my opinions regarding what I see as deficiencies in his skill set. Nevertheless, as a member of the Al Davis "Just win, Baby!" school of football philosophy, I really don't care if he plays well or poorly as long as we win.

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[quote=GTripp0012;536978]Uh, they won't.[/quote]

they should

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[quote=gully;536972]I'm a firm believer in trading down. If vinny can swing that like he should, it's a true sign that building through the draft has been adopted. That means giving up the opportunity to draft smith, possibly oher, rey, and Cushing for players we haven't even pondered. It's just the right thing to do. Note: new England has 3 2nds - tell me they won't trade their first and a second to pick up rey, I dare ya.[/quote]

I'm with you on that one...trade down.. to Tampa so they can get Sanchez and the Skins then take Larry English

then resign kendall.. sign Derrick Brooks to replace Marcus..I think Heyer will be ready to play opposite Samuels if he is committed to keep improving

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[quote=terpsez11;537027]I'm with you on that one...trade down.. to Tampa so they can get Sanchez and the Skins then take Larry English

then resign kendall.. sign Derrick Brooks to replace Marcus..I think Heyer will be ready to play opposite Samuels if he is committed to keep improving[/quote]

Wait, build thru the draft by trading down and then sign an OLDER player than we just released? I'll let you figure out what's wrong here and get back to me.

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[quote=Paintrain;537031]Wait, build thru the draft by trading down and then sign an OLDER player than we just released? I'll let you figure out what's wrong here and get back to me.[/quote]

English can be had later.. not cost as much..and fills one of the glaring needs
players get released for lots of reasons..(like the cap)

actually with Washington..and there is talk of bringing his bad ankles and knee problems back..so he can miss some more games

Brooks has something left in the tank..he contributed all 16 games last yr

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;536890]I agree with the short term plan portion, and also think Vinny and crew probably, hopefully, have looked at what veterans have roster bonuses due and are targeting one or two players for our needs. Like Goat pointed out, after the draft several teams will be re-evaluating their rosters, and hopefully, in addition to whoever we draft, we will fill out our team.
I think the long-term plan is with Zorn. DS has tried bringing in big name/high profile coaches, with little to no success, he brought back JG - still my favorite move under his ownership, and now he has a young coach, and I believe that unless Zorn just cracks, DS will do everything possible to develop this guy and therefore the team into a SB caliber contender.

Plainly stated, the Long Term plan is to develop a newb HC, understanding he is not a "legend" and will make mistakes, and let this team grow and develop under his leadership.

I doubt most fans really want to hear about long term plans: look at the recent threads "when do we cut MK & DT" in another the author of the OP of this thread who wants a plan, also wants to bring in a WR (Holt) who is in his 13th year and noticibly declining. I certainly have actions I would have liked to seen happen (Hunter, Hixon) but VC and DS, look at all the options coming up and don't always go with the fan favorite of the day. That IS a good thing.
So yes I believe there is a plan, both short and long term, I am also certain many of the choices will irritate and confuse me, because I am not privy to the details of those plans.[/quote]

Theres no doubt that a portion of skins fans have no patience at all. I'm sure there's fans of every team like that. There's also a strong # of fans that are patient as well. I'll respectfully disagree about VC and DS though. They don't have a long term plan or if they do it's really hard to tell what it is. They tend not to "think ahead." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.

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[quote=redsk1;537033]Theres no doubt that a portion of skins fans have no patience at all. I'm sure there's fans of every team like that. There's also a strong # of fans that are patient as well. I'll respectfully disagree about VC and DS though. They don't have a long term plan or if they do it's really hard to tell what it is. They tend not to "think ahead." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

[B]At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.[/B][/quote]

Exactly!!!

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[quote=redsk1;537033]." Exhibit A...the coaching search. On second thought you know they have one, but who knows what it is.

At the end of the day it is what it is and I can't wait for the draft and the season.[/quote]

Amen.. March is for College Basketball

the blogosphere contains so many wanna be journalists that think they are the bottom line..period..everything you..read and hear is filtered to contain somebody's bias..some hate Danny...some Vinnie..some everyone

but the majority know so little about anything that really goes on..except they play fantasy football and have a computer