Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

Arrington is an idiot.

Gibbs is high class, always has been, always will be.

Lavar is confusing courage and testosterone.
Gibbs is filled with courage, Lavar is only filled with testosterone.
Only one of these fades with age.

Grow up Lavar....you just weren't that great....and, you sucked at taking coaching, which explains why you were often out of position....that spells A-R-R-O-G-A-N-C-E.

Gibbs doesn't like arrogant, uncoachable players, I'd cut you too unless you'd take situational pass rusher money....which you didn't!

I used to listen to Lavar, now I have lost all respect for anything that comes out of your mouth...you IDIOT!!!

And this is 5 pages because calling Gibbs a Coward by an ex SKIN is BETRAYAL and completely bogus.

Gibbs is the best coach the Skins ever had.
He had nothing to gain and everything to lose to come back...yet he risked his good name to bring respectability back to the Skins....that is certainly not what a coward would do.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

I recall reading in various publications that Gibbs racing wasnt going broke by any means but it wasnt a cash cow either. Racing is a very expensive sport and Snyder made Gibbs an offer he couldnt refuse.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think that the only reason Gibbs came back was to get $ for his race team but I do think the $ was a major factor in his return to coaching.

As for LA, I agree with cpayne. This is LA trying to get himself back in the media and make himself somehow relevant again. He does have issues some of which hurt him in becoming the great LB that we all thought he would be.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=Southpaw;499555]Warrick Holdman was a better option at outside linebacker than LaVar Arrington.[/quote]

I think you just nailed the source of the bitterness here.

At least Holdman did what his coaches said to do...Arrington did not play within the scheme and couldn't be trusted on the field.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=cpayne5;499708]LaVar kind of reappeared on the scene here in DC at Sean Taylor's funeral. If you recall, LaVar spoke of rebuilding bridges that had been burned during his divorce from the team. He said all of this with tears in his eyes (which I felt were fake). I never heard where he was close to Sean like the other speakers at his funeral; it just felt weird to me that he was even speaking at all up there. He spoke vaguely and in generalities, not specifics, about his relationship with Sean. I just felt that his entire "speech" was a sham and a fraud. It felt to me like it was a desperate attempt to grab attention by someone who had fallen out of the spotlight.

I feel that this latest episode is an extension of that. He's trying to make himself relevant when he knows he no longer is. The same thing with the restaurant. "If I build a huge restaurant and put my name on it, everyone will want to come here and be my friend." IMO, he has issues; probably in much the same way most NFL players do (at some level), but LaVar has manifested his in a disgusting fashion thus far.[/quote]
This thread has really gone over board. Ok, I get that people do not like what LA said about Gibbs and I understand that but all the other attacks are getting bad. Most bashing him here for his play on the field used words such as "BEAST" to describe his play on the field. A bunch of people here were ticketed that he was not on the field more often and spoke out against GW and the front office. Now the same people are using the words like OVERATED and such just to bash him some more. Now we have moved it to ST death and how LA felt about ST. Who knows maybe LA has tried to patch thing up with Snyder but maybe Snyder holds the grudge. Its not like we have never seen Snyder do that before.

CPAYNE5 you say you never heard LA say how close he was to ST in his speach but the little part I found it seem as he did.

LaVar:
[He started by speaking of how he is "guilty of moving on," in football, in life, not taking the time to look back.] "This situation has forced me to face those issues that sometimes you really don't want to face. You imagine that your boys and your loves ones are okay and always will be. Sean, I love you as my brother, as my friend ... the rest of my fellows and my teammates that I never took the opportunity to tell you how much I love you guys, this is the opportunity to do it. I'm going to miss him with all my heart. ... I thought when he came to the Redskins that I was his guardian angel. I know he was one of my guardian angels. He was there for me. Today, he's one of mine."
After a song, Sean's 14-year-old sister, Jazmin Taylor spoke through tears. "All I want to see is his smile again. He had the best smile in the world." ... and "I know he can hear me. I'm waiting to see you again, but I know you are home."

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=irish;499719]I recall reading in various publications that Gibbs racing wasnt going broke by any means but it wasnt a cash cow either. Racing is a very expensive sport and Snyder made Gibbs an offer he couldnt refuse.

[B]Dont get me wrong, I dont think that the only reason Gibbs came back was to get $ for his race team but I do think the $ was a major factor in his return to coaching.[/B]

As for LA, I agree with cpayne. This is LA trying to get himself back in the media and make himself somehow relevant again. He does have issues some of which hurt him in becoming the great LB that we all thought he would be.[/quote]

I agree with you. I think it was a factor too. But everyone is in it for the money. The NFL is big business. Joe Gibbs is a businessman and a very smart one. He got his extra sponsor with Fed Ex. If you ask me it was a smart as hell move on his part. But it's not like he was sitting around and working 8 hour days.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=irish;499719]
Dont get me wrong, I dont think that the only reason Gibbs came back was to get $ for his race team but I do think the $ was a major factor in his return to coaching.
[/quote]
If that is true, why do you believe he left with a year remaining and 5m on his contract?

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=brown sugar/aka/chocolate;499637]the skins seem to be doing much better with out the both of them [/quote]

I dont think you can really claim the Skins would be much worse off at this point if Gibbs was still coach...our scoring is ranked low as it was last year plus we've had a healthy Oline for the most part.

Didn't we win like our last 5 out of 6 with Gibbs?

On the other hand...I don't think Lavar ever saw the post-season

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=saden1;499623]Oh get off your self-righteous pedestal. Let's not all act like it's all LaVar. Everyone is culpable in what went down. Snyder, Gibbs, Williams, and Dale Lindsey could have done things better, and seeing how Lindsey was fired for poor job performance I don't think you lot should be jumping on LaVar's throat like vampires. Clearly LaVar is still bitter but you guys don't seem too far behind.[/quote]

I don't think anyone hear is saying the skins were right in everything they did in the Lavar debockle. The anger toward Lavar is for publicly calling Gibbs a coward. First it's so far from the truth and second Gibbs would never do that to anyone for any reason.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=Hog1;499730]If that is true, why do you believe he left with a year remaining and 5m on his contract?[/quote]

Because of the illness in his family. I think it was his grand child.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=skinsfan69;499727]I agree with you. I think it was a factor too. But everyone is in it for the money. The NFL is big business. Joe Gibbs is a businessman and a very smart one. He got his extra sponsor with Fed Ex. If you ask me it was a smart as hell move on his part. But it's not like he was sitting around and working 8 hour days.[/quote]

I think a lot of fans on this site and all over redskin land have a hard time imagining that St. Joe would allow $ to ever factor into anything having to do with the redskins.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

Gibbs put his reputation on the line to come back to a team that was a complete mess, in no small part because talented players such as LaVar Arrington had no concept of putting team first, or leadership. Gibbs took the heat time and again and never said a bad word about any of his players in public (including Lavar) even when he could have called out his players. Gibbs (and others such as Williams) put in countless hours at the office and on the road to revive a sinking franchise while his 3-year old grandson was fighting for his life. There's no coward there.

So the people on this board side with Gibbs, that's how it should be. This is a Redskins' fan site and Joe Gibbs has done more for this franchise than Arrington ever hoped to accomplish. Arrington's career was, for all intents, a failure and he can blame others but he shouldn't forget to look in the mirror either. Gibbs has coached hundred of players in the NFL and Arrington is the only one who has said something bad about him. Maybe Arrington should think about that.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=SmootSmack;499740]Gibbs put his reputation on the line to come back to a team that was a complete mess, in no small part because talented players such as LaVar Arrington had no concept of putting team first, or leadership. Gibbs took the heat time and again and never said a bad word about any of his players in public (including Lavar) even when he could have called out his players. Gibbs (and others such as Williams) put in countless hours at the office and on the road to revive a sinking franchise while his 3-year old grandson was fighting for his life. There's no coward there.

So the people on this board side with Gibbs, that's how it should be. This is a Redskins' fan site and Joe Gibbs has done more for this franchise than Arrington ever hoped to accomplish. Arrington's career was, for all intents, a failure and he can blame others but he shouldn't forget to look in the mirror either. Gibbs has coached hundred of players in the NFL and Arrington is the only one who has said something bad about him. Maybe Arrington should think about that.[/quote]

You summed things up perfectly.

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=irish;499739]I think a lot of fans on this site and all over redskin land have a hard time imagining that St. Joe would allow $ to ever factor into anything having to do with the redskins.[/quote]
Do you have some previously unknown insider information you can share? Or is this just idle speculation on your part?

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

WOW lavar you really hold a grudge don,t you..thanks for your very short career here in washington i,m glad you were able to stop by a bit.anyways.

joe gibbs the hall of fame coach 3 time superbowl champion/3 time nascar champion a true character guy who is truly loved by me and many other fans alike has a strong track record .lavar you had a once and a lifetime chance to play for one of the best coaches in football but you didn,t want that too happen so here you are and now you are paying for it and you know it as well too.did this organization do some injustice sure they did but lavar didn,t help himself either..so this leads me to this lavar the once proud linebacker from penn state who had all the talent in the world but nothing to show for it but for the lack of discipline on the field you need to be quiet and move on with your life just like we have and we are doing absolutely fabulous at the moment too. joe gibbs came back to the skins cause he saw a once proud organization in disarray and he came back to reserrect this organization to where it is now and thats on the winning side of things now....joe gibbs is the head chief in charge of this organization and he saw what was going on inspite of knowing he was set with his family and grandkids with his raceteam...he indeed took a chance on his name and legacy to come back and to give back to this organization what it truly needed and that was direction within...and from himself...so lavar again please can it will ya.. move on..on a sidenote not to mention that the ST situation here was tough to say the least and joe gibbs was there for us and the team and it showed..

thanks and i,ll get off my soapbox now..

just my 2cents worth

Re: Lavar Arrington calls Joe Gibbs a Coward
 

[quote=SmootSmack;499740]Gibbs put his reputation on the line to come back to a team that was a complete mess, in no small part because talented players such as LaVar Arrington had no concept of putting team first, or leadership. Gibbs took the heat time and again and never said a bad word about any of his players in public (including Lavar) even when he could have called out his players. Gibbs (and others such as Williams) put in countless hours at the office and on the road to revive a sinking franchise while his 3-year old grandson was fighting for his life. There's no coward there.

So the people on this board side with Gibbs, that's how it should be. This is a Redskins' fan site and Joe Gibbs has done more for this franchise than Arrington ever hoped to accomplish. Arrington's career was, for all intents, a failure and he can blame others but he shouldn't forget to look in the mirror either. Gibbs has coached hundred of players in the NFL and Arrington is the only one who has said something bad about him. Maybe Arrington should think about that.[/quote]
........WAIT, there is solid reason, wisdom and logic guiding our loyalty to Joe? It's not blind devotion to Saint Joe? How can that be?
IT IS SO MUCH MORE IN VOGUE, to back any nutjob that pops up with stupid negative stuff to get his name in the press.
Hell yah, let's just throw his useless old ass under the bus......because........we can!