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[QUOTE=squrrelco3;270059]It's hard to argue with performance...take Sunday for instance. He played some of the worst football in his career for 3 and a half quarters and then guess which quarter the SOB shows up for. Say what you want to about him but he's d*mn good at what he does.[/QUOTE]

I believe Tom Brady is a product of BB and his coaching staff. I believe they developed Brady into what he is today. The Patriots' success has to be credited to, by large, to Bill Belichick. Certainly Brady should be in the hall of fame in the future, but I will say this..like Montana, you take Brady out of New England or away from Belichick, and I doubt he'd be as successful anywhere else. That's just me.

On a side note of the hall of fame debate, let's be assured that Tom Brady is a shoe in for the hof, and he rightly should be. People get too caught up in stats and numbers, but when you are leading your team to the Super Bowl almost every single freakin' year, you don't have to have the best stats in the NFL to be considered a future Hall of Famer. With that said, I still hate the New England Patriots and I dislike Brady, the player.

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[quote=jdlea;270063]I'll acknowledge that Marino is a better passer, but Brady is the better quarterback because that takes so much more.[/quote]Huh? The main job of a quarterback is to pass. If he doesn't pass, he runs. Surely the reason Brady is better than Marino in your opinion isn't because he's a deadly runner. So if Marino is the better passer, why on earth would Brady be the better QB?

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[quote=squrrelco3;270059]It's hard to argue with performance...take Sunday for instance. He played some of the worst football in his career for 3 and a half quarters and then guess which quarter the SOB shows up for. Say what you want to about him but he's d*mn good at what he does.[/quote]

I don't deny skills, but I cannot even stand to look at his bitch ass. I hate him. I hate him with every part of my soul, almost as much as TO.

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I won't deny though, that it's mainly due to jealousy. Oh, what I WOULDN'T give to have a perennial winner with marginally talented players.

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I really use to think Brady was overrated but as time went by I realized he was a great player who carried his offense and had a great defense. IF he goes to another SB and wins it he should be a in the HoF without having to even wait 5 years.

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Lets face it, in a fair world, the Patriots lose 9/10 times yesterday. By all accounts, the Patriots were outplayed yesterday. But the world isn't fair. A bunch of supposedly random events came together yesterday to bail Brady's ass out of 3 interceptions. When it came down to the wire, the Patriot defense stiffened, and the Charger defense had some gaping holes to throw into. Brady just did what he's paid to do on that drive.

I said yesterday that the game chooses it's champion. Obviously thats not decided yet (I hope), but the game "decided" that despite the talent discrepancy yesterday, the Chargers were going one and done. The Chargers were the[I] best team in the league[/I], but they, like every other team in history, [U]needed some good fortune to win in the playoffs[/U]. They didn't get any. Of the 5 fumbles that were put on the ground by both teams, all 5 were recovered by the Patriots.

Therefore, rings is not a reasonable arguement of QB play, it simply doesn't tell you anything. It's the ultimate goal, it isnt how you get there.

The following guys have rings in the last 10 years:
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

When do these guys get their HOF tickets?

In Brady's six years as a starter, he has yet to outperform Manning in ANY season. The question of who is better is downright ridiculous.

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So to keep with the theme of Tom "Icyguy" Brady, let me hijack the thread with this question.

Without using the terms "rings" or "championships", you are the coach of a team playing for the division crown in Week 17. One game, who do you want behind center: Brady or Carson Palmer?

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[quote=GTripp0012;270077]The following guys have rings in the last 10 years:
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

When do these guys get their HOF tickets?

In Brady's six years as a starter, he has yet to outperform Manning in ANY season. The question of who is better is downright ridiculous.[/quote]


true, they each have A ring.
brady has THREE rings and TWO superbowl mvps in SIX years.

how many does peyton have again, i seem to forget ?

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[quote=GTripp0012;270078]So to keep with the theme of Tom "Icyguy" Brady, let me hijack the thread with this question.

Without using the terms "rings" or "championships", you are the coach of a team playing for the division crown in Week 17. One game, who do you want behind center: Brady or Carson Palmer?[/quote]


brady.

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Tom Brady is good, but let's be real.....THE PATRIOTS SHOULD NOT HAVE WON THAT GAME!!!!!! I don't understand why Brady is getting all of this praise, he threw 3 interceptions, 3 INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!!! He had a 57.6 QB rating, please explain to me why everyone is on his nuts as normal. The Chargers should have won that game, they had several key, stupid plays that cost them from winning. Brady threw 3 intereptions, he was soooooo lucky he got that one back in the fourth quarter, unbelievable. Brady is the only QB in the league who can throw 3 interceptions in a playoff game and then be praised, he got lucky, and I really hope Peyton beats him.

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i would bet that peyton manning would give up all his stats to have a superbowl ring.
do you think tom brady would give up his rings to have better stats ?

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[quote=Hail2theskins;269960]When Tom brady does any of this... all of dan marino's records, ill say he is better, until then, not a damn chance.
[LIST][*]Most Attempts, Career: [B]8,358[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-ATTleader"][8][/URL][*]Most Completions, Career: [B]4,967[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-COMPleader"][9][/URL] (broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] in 2006)[*]Most Yards Passing, Career: [B]61,361[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-YDSleader"][10][/URL][*]Most Touchdown Passes, Career: [B]420[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL][*]Most Passing Yards, Season: [B]5,084[/B] in 1984[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-YDSleader"][10][/URL][*]Most Touchdown Passes, Season: [B]48[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL] (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning"]Peyton Manning[/URL] 49)[*]Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: [B]4[/B] in 1984[*]Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: [B]60[/B][*]Most Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: [B]13[/B] (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98) (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] 15)[*]Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: [B]9[/B] (1984-92) (since broken by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL] 15)[*]Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: [B]21[/B][*]Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: [B]6[/B] in 1984[*]Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: [B]2.03[/B] in 1983 (296-6)[*]Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: [B]5[/B] (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-ATTleader"][8][/URL][*]Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: [B]6[/B] (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-COMPleader"][9][/URL][*]Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: [B]2[/B] (1984, 1986)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino#_note-TDleader"][11][/URL][*]100 TD Passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]44[/B] (9/7/86 at San Diego)[*]200 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]89[/B] (9/17/89 at New England)[*]300 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: [B]157[/B] (9/4/94 vs. New England)[*]Most Points scored, QB: [B]2574[/B][*]Highest TD-INT differential: [B]+168[/B][/LIST][/quote]Ask a Dolphins fan if they would want Marino's state or Brady's SB wins. I bet about 99% pick the SB wins.

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[quote=gabe1984;270083]Tom Brady is good, but let's be real.....THE PATRIOTS SHOULD NOT HAVE WON THAT GAME!!!!!! I don't understand why Brady is getting all of this praise, he threw 3 interceptions, 3 INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!!! He had a 57.6 QB rating, please explain to me why everyone is on his nuts as normal. The Chargers should have won that game, they had several key, stupid plays that cost them from winning. Brady threw 3 intereptions, he was soooooo lucky he got that one back in the fourth quarter, unbelievable. Brady is the only QB in the league who can throw 3 interceptions in a playoff game and then be praised, he got lucky, and I really hope Peyton beats him.[/quote]
Its becaus that when it came down to the win in the 4th he did what was needed to win the game. Yes the Chargers made mistakes but they had a chance at the end to win the game but failed.

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The Patriots really amaze me, they just find ways to win while Marty and co. seem to find ways to lose.

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[quote=wolfeskins;270084]i would bet that peyton manning would give up all his stats to have a superbowl ring.
do you think tom brady would give up his rings to have better stats ?[/quote]Of course you'd rather have the ring, but that doesn't make him better.