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[quote=mooby;886095]Just this year's first or is that first next year's in addition to this years' first? If just this year's 1st, 2nd, and 4th was required to move up to 2 I'd do it.[/quote]

This year's first, although thinking more about it I think that compensation may be a tad bit low. Although if the Browns get a QB through FA, then we become the next best trading partner.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886085]McShay speculates that it would take a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for the Redskins to move up to #2.[/quote]I [URL="http://liveballsports.com/2012/02/15/robert-griffin-iii-pre-draft-value-and-game-theory/"]wrote[/URL] about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;886087]You dont think the Browns can sign a FA like Flynn and pick up RG3 as well?[/quote]

Matt Flynn is going to be the guy wherever he goes. We're talking about signing a guy to something in the area of 6 years $59 million with around $24 million guaranteed (Ryan Fitzpatricks contract).

If this was a situation like year 2 of the Kevin Kolb experiment then yeah they could easily go for someone like RGIII, but you can bank on any team signing Matt Flynn not using an early pick on a QB in 2012.

[quote]Kevin Schulte @kschulte Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Matt Flynn's one spectacular game could boost his salary from $600k to ~$10 million bit.ly/xvI9LW[/quote]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jeff_diamond/02/15/flynn/index.html#ixzz1mZUxbAg2]Green Bay Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn could go from making $600,000 a year to $9 million annually - Jeff Diamond - SI.com[/url]
[quote]Teams are doing their due diligence on Flynn now [B]before they commit to the expected $10 million per year deal that it will take to sign him.[/B] Teams know all about the backup made good success stories of Tom Brady (former sixth-rounder, backed up his first year), Rodgers (No. 1 pick who sat behind Brett Favre for three years) and Tony Romo (undrafted, backed up in Dallas for three years before getting his shot).
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[quote=GTripp0012;886098]I [URL="http://liveballsports.com/2012/02/15/robert-griffin-iii-pre-draft-value-and-game-theory/"]wrote[/URL] about this yesterday. I don't link to get anyone to read, as I'm sure I'll post all the major points in this thread in possibly fewer than 2,500 words.

In short, the second or third pick are only valuable trade chips if the Redskins make them so. Cleveland is in total command in the RG3 sweepstakes. They have both the best draft position and the most draft value to acquire or block another team from acquiring RG3.

I think Cleveland wants Blackmon more than RG3 because he fits their offense. I don't expect St. Louis to pick Blackmon or RG3. I think they'll probably go with Kalil. And then I think Minnesota will try like hell to trade out of the third pick, and they'll probably be successful, especially if the Redskins like RG3. But lets say they go with Coples or Claiborne (or whoever). Then Cleveland gets to pick between RG3 and Blackmon.

That's I think when the Redskins will strike (if not at Minnesota's pick). The Bucs probably aren't taking Justin Blackmon. If the Browns can pick up a pick to move from 4 to 6, history has already shown they will. And I think that makes a lot more sense for them than to take even a more lucrative offer from Miami, but drop to beyond where Blackmon will be on the board.

Either way, I don't think Griffin goes higher than fourth. If Minnesota is desperate enough to let Washington or Miami or Seattle name their price, then yeah, that trade could happen.[/quote]

I picked on you a few weeks ago for having long wind post that don't get to the point. This post was a great example of how you should post. It is relative short and gets to the point, well written thank you.

You have a lot good knowledge you just need to learn to feed it to the reader.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886067]Carolina had the first overall pick, not the same situation. Cincy is a good example, although I believe they had to do it out of necessity...also I think Mike Brown is a lucky SOB.

The Redskins can't go into the draft without a viable FA QB, otherwise they'd get murdered in an effort to trade up.[/quote]

Are we in a position to draft a guy and let him sit? I don't think we are.

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[quote=GTripp0012;886075[B]]Mike Mayock said yesterday that if he's the Rams, he'd be ecstatic if the Browns gave up the 27th pick to move up two spots for RG3. Think about what the Rams are asking for. A one, a two, and a three to move down four spots.[/B] Yet, if their best offer was two firsts? They'd do that in a heartbeat.

My thing is this: if you are the Browns, why would you give up a first round pick to go up two spots even if you love RG3. No team can really make a better offer than the Browns first and second rounders, because the Browns have the draft position that the Rams want the most.

I think the Browns are just going to let the board come to them. And the Rams aren't going to be able to get any additional value on the second overall pick. They are going to be stuck with it.

At the end of the day, I think the 2013 first rounder is plenty enough to go as high in the draft as you need to go. I don't think you can get Luck or even get close to Luck at that price. But that gives you your pick of RG3/Blackmon/Kalil. Which is what the Redskins need the most.[/quote]

Too expensive IMO.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886100]Matt Flynn is going to be the guy wherever he goes. We're talking about signing a guy to something in the area of 6 years $59 million with around $24 million guaranteed (Ryan Fitzpatricks contract).

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jeff_diamond/02/15/flynn/index.html#ixzz1mZUxbAg2]Green Bay Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn could go from making $600,000 a year to $9 million annually - Jeff Diamond - SI.com[/url][/quote]


Thats CRAZY, the man has played good in like 2 games, what he has done is not worth that money! i really hope we stay away from him and I hope the Browns sign him.

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Todd McShay thinks RG3 will either be a Redskin or a Cleveland Brown. Says he'd be surprised if he fell below the number 2 spot.

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over $7M/year is too much for flynn at this point

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;886105]Thats CRAZY, the man has played good in like 2 games, what he has done is not worth that money! i really hope we stay away from him and I hope the Browns sign him.[/quote]

Thats the business side of the NFL. There are plenty of GM's and scouts out there saying exactly what you're saying in regards to how his minimal experience is turning into a huge payday. However there are also plenty of GM's and scouts that see Flynn as the chance to get in on the ground floor of something special.

Either way the market will provide Flynn with a huge pay day and at least one year of job security.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886108]Thats the business side of the NFL. There are plenty of GM's and scouts out there saying exactly what you're saying in regards to how his minimal experience is turning into a huge payday. However there are also plenty of GM's and scouts that see Flynn as the chance to get in on the ground floor of something special.

Either way the market will provide Flynn with a huge pay day and at least one year of job security.[/quote]

True story. Its just like how people are saying RG3 is too much of a risk, everyone is a risk, nobody knows what is going to happen for sure with any players future (manning, rg3, flynn, etc.) this includes every position. That being said Im aboard the RG3 train.

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[quote=skinsfan69;886103]Are we in a position to draft a guy and let him sit? I don't think we are.[/quote]

Probably yes and probably no, depending on how the FA situation shakes out. If we get RG3, he'll be a day 1 starter. But I don't know about anyone after him, unless the coaching staff knows they've found the next Andy Dalton.

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[quote=Ruhskins;886114]Probably yes and probably no, depending on how the FA situation shakes out. If we get RG3, he'll be a day 1 starter. But I don't know about anyone after him, unless the coaching staff knows they've found the next Andy Dalton.[/quote]

Exactly. RGIII and Luck are both day 1 guys. Guys like Tannehill could start midseason or possibly win the job in camp but it would be an uphill battle. And I have a hard time believing they'll fare much better then Ponder.

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Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning? I mean for Gods sake the Chargers got 3 Pro Bowlers in that trade yet the Giants now have 2 Super Bowls.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;886119]Also I just want to add, does anyone think the Giants regret giving up two first and a third for Eli Manning? [/quote]

GTripp does I believe...