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Chico, they've got you surrounded...

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[quote=punch it in;1216536]Honestly G-1 there is no such thing as fact checking anymore. Trumpers just spin “fact checking “ into “media bias”, “fake news”, “alternative facts”. Call it whatever you want. Lol.[/quote]

Yes, now kellyanne is calling them "unfortunate misstatements".

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Fact checking trump and I am honestly trying to get a cross section here..........


[url]https://qz.com/1517758/border-wall-facts-to-read-before-trumps-speech-tonight/[/url]

[url]http://time.com/5497260/donald-trump-border-wall-fact-check/[/url]


[url]https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683205814/fact-check-trumps-oval-office-pitch-for-a-border-wall[/url]


[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/trump-speech.html[/url]



What's interesting FOX's Shepard Smith (who I like ) jumped on trump but I could not find FOX posting info on it,only thye Daily Beast talked about it............

[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-instant-fact-check-from-fox-news-shepard-smith-after-oval-office-speech[/url]

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[url]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-times-gives-maddow-the-cold-shoulder[/url]

The NY Times recently yanked one of its journalists from Rachel Maddow amid concerns about cable-news “bias.” Dean Baquet “thinks it’s a real issue.”

It’s not just Maddow. The Times has come to “prefer,” as sources put it, that its reporters steer clear of any cable-news shows that the masthead perceives as too partisan, and managers have lately been advising people not to go on what they see as highly opinionated programs. It's not clear how many shows fall under that umbrella in the eyes of Times brass, but two others that definitely do are Lawrence O’Donnell’s and Don Lemon’s, according to people familiar with management’s thinking. Hannity’s or Tucker Carlson’s shows would likewise make the cut, but it's not like Times reporters ever do those anyway. I’m told that over the past couple of months, executive editor Dean Baquet has felt that opinionated cable-news show are getting, well, even more opinionated. Baquet and other managers have become increasingly concerned that if a Times reporter were to go on one of these shows, his or her appearance could be perceived as being aligned with that show’s political leanings. “He thinks it’s a real issue,” one of my Times sources said. “Their view,” said another, “is that, intentionally or not, it affiliates the Times reporter with a bias.”

This time its the executive editor saying it, not Chico. Good to hear he agrees.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224167][url]https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-times-gives-maddow-the-cold-shoulder[/url]

The NY Times recently yanked one of its journalists from Rachel Maddow amid concerns about cable-news “bias.” Dean Baquet “thinks it’s a real issue.”

It’s not just Maddow. The Times has come to “prefer,” as sources put it, that its reporters steer clear of any cable-news shows that the masthead perceives as too partisan, and managers have lately been advising people not to go on what they see as highly opinionated programs. It's not clear how many shows fall under that umbrella in the eyes of Times brass, but two others that definitely do are Lawrence O’Donnell’s and Don Lemon’s, according to people familiar with management’s thinking. Hannity’s or Tucker Carlson’s shows would likewise make the cut, but it's not like Times reporters ever do those anyway. I’m told that over the past couple of months, executive editor Dean Baquet has felt that opinionated cable-news show are getting, well, even more opinionated. Baquet and other managers have become increasingly concerned that if a Times reporter were to go on one of these shows, his or her appearance could be perceived as being aligned with that show’s political leanings. “He thinks it’s a real issue,” one of my Times sources said. “Their view,” said another, “is that, intentionally or not, it affiliates the Times reporter with a bias.”

This time its the executive editor saying it, not Chico. Good to hear he agrees.[/quote]

I agree too, you are bias all so!

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I just thought it interesting to compare the takeaways from both CNN and Fox on Mueller's testimony.

I put the links if you want to read more depth on them, I just put the sentence they chose to bold.


[url="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-mueller-hearings-here-are-5-big-takeaways"]Fox's top 5[/url] takeaways from Mueller's Testimony
1. Mueller said the findings of his investigation do not exonerate Trump and added the president can still be prosecuted when he leaves the White House
2. Muller was forced to clear up confusion as to why he didn't indict Trump
3. Mueller testified that he did not meet with Trump for the job of FBI director, contradicting previous statements by the president
4. Mueller said Trump and Donald Jr. praising WikiLeaks was "problematic"
5. Mueller said Russian election interference is an ongoing issue that will continue in 2020

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/politics/robert-mueller-testimony-highlights/index.html"]CNN's top 5[/URL] (they actually had 10, but I cut it at 5)
1. Trump's tweets showed how anxious he actually was
2. Mueller disappointed Republicans
3. ... and Democrats
4. Mueller was shaky -- especially at the start
5. Mueller directly contradicted Trump on FBI job

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225604]I just thought it interesting to compare the takeaways from both CNN and Fox on Mueller's testimony.

I put the links if you want to read more depth on them, I just put the sentence they chose to bold.


[url="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-mueller-hearings-here-are-5-big-takeaways"]Fox's top 5[/url] takeaways from Mueller's Testimony
1. Mueller said the findings of his investigation do not exonerate Trump and added the president can still be prosecuted when he leaves the White House
2. Muller was forced to clear up confusion as to why he didn't indict Trump
3. Mueller testified that he did not meet with Trump for the job of FBI director, contradicting previous statements by the president
4. Mueller said Trump and Donald Jr. praising WikiLeaks was "problematic"
5. Mueller said Russian election interference is an ongoing issue that will continue in 2020

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/24/politics/robert-mueller-testimony-highlights/index.html"]CNN's top 5[/URL] (they actually had 10, but I cut it at 5)
1. Trump's tweets showed how anxious he actually was
2. Mueller disappointed Republicans
3. ... and Democrats
4. Mueller was shaky -- especially at the start
5. Mueller directly contradicted Trump on FBI job[/quote]

I think if folks remove the editorial/opinion shows of Tucker Carlson, Hannity which are clearly right, the actual "news" portion of the fox new broadcast station is way more legitimate than CNN or MSNBC. It simply is...they actually report entire stories and don't cherry pick. And when the regular news portion do give analysis or an editorial they will criticize the administration. And this criticism is daily.

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That's one of the things that drives me most crazy - in high school English class we spent a fair amount of time on the various roles within journalism, namely how to tell the difference between news reporting and opinion pieces. In the mid 90s that was viewed mostly through the lens of print journalism.

But I now feel like it's very easy to look at cable news networks through the same lens and identify which programs are reporting news and which are opinion based.

It seems far, far too many Americans can't tell the difference, and they actually rely on opinion programs for their actual news. Consequently they don't realize that consuming news this way inherently leads to the development of bias in their own minds. They consume news with a confirmation bias and they don't even realize it.

Every American should know that to get your [B]news[/B], you should be consuming it through fact based news reporting programs and written pieces. Never through opinion pieces.

You can supplement with opinion programs once you're up on the facts, but it should not be the source for keeping up with current events and facts. You're never going to be presented with a fair and complete evaluation of the situation this way.

We should all know this but for some reason we don't. Or we don't care.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225611]That's one of the things that drives me most crazy - in high school English class we spent a fair amount of time on the various roles within journalism, namely how to tell the difference between news reporting and opinion pieces. In the mid 90s that was viewed mostly through the lens of print journalism.

But I now feel like it's very easy to look at cable news networks through the same lens and identify which programs are reporting news and which are opinion based.

It seems far, far too many Americans can't tell the difference, and they actually rely on opinion programs for their actual news. Consequently they don't realize that consuming news this way inherently leads to the development of bias in their own minds. They consume news with a confirmation bias and they don't even realize it.

Every American should know that to get your [B]news[/B], you should be consuming it through fact based news reporting programs and written pieces. Never through opinion pieces.

You can supplement with opinion programs once you're up on the facts, but it should not be the source for keeping up with current events and facts. You're never going to be presented with a fair and complete evaluation of the situation this way.

We should all know this but for some reason we don't. Or we don't care.[/quote]

I actually remember in both High School AND College in English and Literature , that there was a clear progression from reading-writing-to critical thinking and analysis. Do they teach this anymore?

I took a higher level literature/critical thinking college which was required to satisfy a course....it was taught by a wife of a guy who was on a Washington dc weekly tv politics show. We looked a social issues and read editorial/opinion/analysis pieces by authors such as Chomsky (left) and Krauthammer (right) about each. Our job in the course was to analyze the arguments and then at the techniques each author used to make their arguments. It was eye opening and a gateway to objectivity. We weren't having arguments about the issues but the instruments...and putting aside subjective "FEELINGS", everyone seemed to agree with points made by every author or view point. I think it was one of the few course with extremely high attendance and everyone enjoyed it.

If you just read through social media, critical thinking seems not to be a part of today society.

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If you're getting your news through social media, you're doing it wrong. Facebook has no incentive to distinguish real from fake news.

Also +1 great post Schneed.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1225614]I actually remember in both High School AND College in English and Literature , that there was a clear progression from reading-writing-to critical thinking and analysis. Do they teach this anymore?



I took a higher level literature/critical thinking college which was required to satisfy a course....it was taught by a wife of a guy who was on a Washington dc weekly tv politics show. We looked a social issues and read editorial/opinion/analysis pieces by authors such as Chomsky (left) and Krauthammer (right) about each. Our job in the course was to analyze the arguments and then at the techniques each author used to make their arguments. It was eye opening and a gateway to objectivity. We weren't having arguments about the issues but the instruments...and putting aside subjective "FEELINGS", everyone seemed to agree with points made by every author or view point. I think it was one of the few course with extremely high attendance and everyone enjoyed it.



If you just read through social media, critical thinking seems not to be a part of today society.[/QUOTE]I wish college level non biased critical thinking classes were required for every 16 year old. It would be an eye opener across the board.

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[quote=mooby;1225615]If you're getting your news through social media, you're doing it wrong. Facebook has no incentive to distinguish real from fake news.

Also +1 great post Schneed.[/quote]

No I’m not getting my news, but I’m reading responses to news on social media and I really think people are generally getting dumber.

It use to be kinda laughed at when people would mention nazi or use nazi comparison because how false and intellectually lazy it was considered. Now people throw it around daily...it clownish.

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Always been plenty of dumb people out there they just have a voice now with social media.

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I hope this guy dies in prison!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/alex-jones-loses-another-legal-battle-in-sandy-hook-defamation-case-173408653.html[/url]


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Conspiracy theorist and lawsuit magnet Alex Jones lost another legal battle last week when a court struck down an appeal related to a defamation lawsuit against him and his fearmongering website Infowars.

Infowars and Jones are defendants in a lawsuit brought by Neil Heslin, the father of 6-year-old Jesse Lewis, who was one of 20 children and six adults killed when a gunman stormed Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012. In the years since the shooting, Heslin and other Sandy Hook parents have received death threats and online harassment from followers of Jones’ Infowars website, which over the years has repeatedly claimed the shooting was a hoax and the parents are “crisis actors.” Infowars contributor Owen Shroyer is also named in the lawsuit.

In the latest court filing, the Texas Court of Appeals ordered Infowars to “pay all costs” related to the failed appeal that Infowars filed against Heslin, who is being represented by Mark Bankston of the Texas law firm Farrar & Ball. Previously, Heslin filed a motion of contempt in the case after the website refused to comply with a court-ordered demand to hand over internal emails and documents related to discussions about Sandy Hook.

Now the website will pay up in addition to handing over the information. As Right Wing Watch first pointed out:

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Media bias? The fact is, all media is govt run propaganda.
It's entertainment, distraction. None of it us true.
So called fact checking is a waste of time. All the facts are propaganda. It's all a lie.