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Nothing Putin wants more than for Americans not to trust our democracy. To sew discord in America. All these Trumpers would rather parrot the big lie about our election and all the other dangerous bullshit that our enemies in the world want to hear than to admit their guy lost. They choose a guy over their own country. Cult. So leave. Go to China. Go to Russia. Go to Iran. You can all shit on our constitution together. Fuckin snowflakes.
How fuckin ironic that these sheep plant love it or leave it signs in their yards, while they spread misinformation about our democracy and rant and rage that the American dream is dead? How fuckin ironic that they consider the media the enemy of the state while they spread misinformation and lies manufactured to crumble the very foundation of our country?

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[quote=punch it in;1284125]Your master would be so proud. You are excelling at your deflection strategy. Whatever Trump does just say Obama or Hillary or Biden did it. It isn’t really effective but it is easy and cheap just like your master.[/quote]

Where are the Russia hawks at? Where are the NYT/ WP 10 articles criticizing the move? Where are the conspiracy Reddit threads tracking the moves…NBC leading morning and news stories?

Serious question…you really think Putin didn’t know about the pipeline hack? You really think the Russian government didn’t know or didn’t allow this to happen? JFC…

And literally a week later Biden removed Trumps sanctions against a massive Russian strategic pipeline which supplies energy to Europe.

Remember…the trump administration bombed Russian bases in Syria , killed Russian soldiers on the battlefield, supplied deadly weaponry in Ukraine which effectively STOPPED Russian advanced, imposed tough sanctions on the government and operatives.

Meanwhile, the media and Democrats lied about the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion and Russian bounties on US soldiers. All these were baseless, unverified lies pushed by folks here in the country…by a corrupt media which refused to verify facts and tell the truth to the American people.

But here in plain sight Biden capitulated to Russia on multiplayer fronts in a week. What you got? Nothing?

Get the fuck out…you guys have no fucking creditability at this point. Sitting in these threads pushing these bullshit stories the last 4 years which were baseless. All lies

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1284140]Where are the Russia hawks at? Where are the NYT/ WP 10 articles criticizing the move? Where are the conspiracy Reddit threads tracking the moves…NBC leading morning and news stories?



Serious question…you really think Putin didn’t know about the pipeline hack? You really think the Russian government didn’t know or didn’t allow this to happen? JFC…



And literally a week later Biden removed Trumps sanctions against a massive Russian strategic pipeline which supplies energy to Europe.



Remember…the trump administration bombed Russian bases in Syria , killed Russian soldiers on the battlefield, supplied deadly weaponry in Ukraine which effectively STOPPED Russian advanced, imposed tough sanctions on the government and operatives.



Meanwhile, the media and Democrats lied about the Steele Dossier, Russian Collusion and Russian bounties on US soldiers. All these were baseless, unverified lies pushed by folks here in the country…by a corrupt media which refused to verify facts and tell the truth to the American people.



But here in plain sight Biden capitulated to Russia on multiplayer fronts in a week. What you got? Nothing?



Get the fuck out…you guys have no fucking creditability at this point. Sitting in these threads pushing these bullshit stories the last 4 years which were baseless. All lies[/QUOTE]



Oh boy. You remember things very differently than they happened but I guess you need to in order to perpetuate the lies. As always Chico you are a good sheep [emoji207].

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Let me ask you a serious question? Do you really think Biden is repairing our relationship with Germany or placating Russia?
For all the headscratching things Trump did for Putin it is pretty clear in this case Biden is choosing our relationship with Germany as opposed to bowing to Putin.
If it bothers you Chico you need look no further than your master, who along with most other allies, completely damaged our relationship with Germany.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1284145]Let me ask you a serious question? Do you really think Biden is repairing our relationship with Germany or placating Russia?
For all the headscratching things Trump did for Putin it is pretty clear in this case Biden is choosing our relationship with Germany as opposed to bowing to Putin.
If it bothers you Chico you need look no further than your master, who along with most other allies, completely damaged our relationship with Germany.[/QUOTE]To offer some background on my opinion- my mother grew up in Germany, my grandfather on her side fought the Russians and was captured by them. My did served in the USAF, that is how he met my mom. I went in the Army, met my [now ex-] wife in Germany, served 3 years there from 91 to 94 as a military police working directly with the Polizei.

All that said, Germany and Germans have long had an superiority/inferiority complex and love/hate relationship with the US. Most of us are old enough to remember the demonstrations around Reagan's pershing missile deployments. The best way to describe the German mentality is like a cat looks at its owner - it knows it needs the owner for food and shelter, but it dreams of eating the owner every night.

So bottomline is, Germans may have hated Trump (and they definitely did just ask my German Aunt and she will tell you!), they hate Biden too because they hate knowing they need us but believing they are ultimately superior to us.

Last thought, My best man, a German army helicopter pilot, said to me "we would beat you in a heartbeat if there just weren't so damn many of you".



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[quote=punch it in;1284145]Let me ask you a serious question? Do you really think Biden is repairing our relationship with Germany or placating Russia?
For all the headscratching things Trump did for Putin it is pretty clear in this case Biden is choosing our relationship with Germany as opposed to bowing to Putin.
If it bothers you Chico you need look no further than your master, who along with most other allies, completely damaged our relationship with Germany.[/quote]

Punch this is pretty embarrassing…yes repairing with Germany is something more important to liberals than giving Russian a geopolitical strategic foothold in energy policy throughout Europe.

Bravo Biden…after Russian hackers successfully completed the largest infrastructure attack in the history of the country a week earlier.

Suddenly giving Russian wins is just fine with libs after spouting fucking lies about a us administration and Russian govt for 4 years.

Get the fuck out…you have zero credibility here. None. Weak ass Obama Biden foreign policy is back.

Look at the Middle East…suddenly Iran is destabilizing the entire region because they know the pussy ass Biden and past Obama administration is back in charge.

Shit look at how the China ambassador dressed down Blinken in front of the world on camera with his first statements in Alaska 50 days ago. China knows this administration is weak.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1284150]Punch this is pretty embarrassing…yes repairing with Germany is something more important to liberals than giving Russian a geopolitical strategic foothold in energy policy throughout Europe.



Bravo Biden…after Russian hackers successfully completed the largest infrastructure attack in the history of the country a week earlier.



Suddenly giving Russian wins is just fine with libs after spouting fucking lies about a us administration and Russian govt for 4 years.



Get the fuck out…you have zero credibility here. None. Weak ass Obama Biden foreign policy is back.



Look at the Middle East…suddenly Iran is destabilizing the entire region because they know the pussy ass Biden and past Obama administration is back in charge.



Shit look at how the China ambassador dressed down Blinken in front of the world on camera with his first statements in Alaska 50 days ago. China knows this administration is weak.[/QUOTE]



Well at least you prefaced that misinformed rant with “this is embarrassing “. Baby steps.

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I love how Trumpers think that he was some bad ass that stood up to our enemies because the draft dodging loudmouth tweeted a big game. LOL. I love how they think that they know what foreign diplomacy and actually having allies in the world works. But I especially love how they rewrite history about what their messiah did to our enemies. Wow Jonestown has nothing on these people.

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Punch, I don't think I've EVER ONCE seen you outright criticize a democrat or the party as a whole for anything.

It's Friday - Throw us on the right a bone. Give us something?

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So basically the right is mad at the left for not being mad about the very same things the left was fired up about and the right ignored under Trump. Where's that spider man meme?

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If the left stuck to policy and actually didn’t push Russian conspiracy theories you might have a point.

Where’s piece of shit lying Adam schiff thoughts on Russian pipeline sanctions relief? Seriously?


How about start with the Russian collusion was certainly a hoax and the media is absolutely fake news for pushing the lie without ever confirming facts about it? Come to the table and take the L, admit it was all bullshit from the start

How about the media actual investigate the Biden administration motives in the pipeline sanctions relief as well as the Russian hackers story to see who they are and if they are Russian government funded and back?

Y’all rather talk Liz Chaney…which is a clear non story when it comes to the problems created by the Biden administration policy with immigration, inflation, Middle East and Russian aggression

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Aight I’m done…I’ll shut up now.

It’s Friday

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284160]Punch, I don't think I've EVER ONCE seen you outright criticize a democrat or the party as a whole for anything.



It's Friday - Throw us on the right a bone. Give us something?[/QUOTE]



And you only pop up to defend Chico, Trump, or the right.
If you actually take the time to understand where I am coming from you will clearly see that I am not so much criticizing republicans or the right either. I am criticizing Trump who happens to be holding the republicans and the right hostage with his lies. My problem is with one man, and the absolute blind love that his cult followers give him. There is literally nothing he can do or say that they will not defend. It is a cult. Been saying that for a while.

It is funny that your problem lies with me and my inability to ever criticize the left or Dems, yet you shower Chico with praise for his undying and unwavering support of whatever Trump says or does. Little one sided in your quest for some sort of middle ground dont ya think?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1284167]Aight I’m done…I’ll shut up now.



It’s Friday[/QUOTE]



No. Please. Dont. [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]

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[quote=punch it in;1284175]And you only pop up to defend Chico, Trump, or the right.
If you actually take the time to understand where I am coming from you will clearly see that I am not so much criticizing republicans or the right either. I am criticizing Trump who happens to be holding the republicans and the right hostage with his lies. My problem is with one man, and the absolute blind love that his cult followers give him. There is literally nothing he can do or say that they will not defend. It is a cult. Been saying that for a while.

It is funny that your problem lies with me and my inability to ever criticize the left or Dems, yet you shower Chico with praise for his undying and unwavering support of whatever Trump says or does. Little one sided in your quest for some sort of middle ground dont ya think?[/quote]

I have disagreements with you, I don't have any problems with you. I just said give us something. Didn't "yell", or insult, or say anything negative.

I've commented on Chico's ability to keep coming back for more. I don't think I've been showering him with praise for the actual content, especially as it relates to Trump.

He isn't president anymore. I moved on from him back in November.

Why I don't post much in this thread anymore is because the democrats have the white house, house, and senate, but all that is discussed here is Republicans still. And anything posted that is about democrats just swings right back to Trump, etc. There is no debate. And it just leads to me being frustrated and saying things I regret. Trying to go by the golden rule here now.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284178]I have disagreements with you, I don't have any problems with you. I just said give us something. Didn't "yell", or insult, or say anything negative.



I've commented on Chico's ability to keep coming back for more. I don't think I've been showering him with praise for the actual content, especially as it relates to Trump.



He isn't president anymore. I moved on from him back in November.



Why I don't post much in this thread anymore is because the democrats have the white house, house, and senate, but all that is discussed here is Republicans still. And anything posted that is about democrats just swings right back to Trump, etc. There is no debate. And it just leads to me being frustrated and saying things I regret. Trying to go by the golden rule here now.[/QUOTE]



Meant problem with me as in my post not me as a person obviously.
You might have moved on from Trump but he is still the most influential “republican” in the country whether he is in office or not. Unlike you, Millions literally believe he actually won the election. That is not media driven or WP driven lol that is straight from their own mouths. To have a political discussion and not talk about Trump would be silly.
SD i am almost 50 , I have seen plenty of Republican and Democratic Presidents, and Congresses. Obviously I have my preference but there was always a status quo, always an adherence to the constitution, and for the most part both sides worked together for the benefit of our country. Until Trump. Has every President or politician on either side ever been completely honest and morally perfect? Hell no. Nor has any person who ever lived. But to spout absolute conspiracy like Trump has been (for years mind you - ie birtherism ) , the constant lies, egotistical and petty bullshit coming out of his piehole, is a far cry from anything we have ever seen. It is dangerous when millions of “followers” - alot of whom are just completely deranged - ie the insurrection- believe him.
So to me this isn’t about right vs left or Dem vs Rep or Liberal vs Conservative- it is about one man. One dangerous man who needs to be far away from anything that has to do with making decisions for our country. It is fine if you dont agree, Im not trying to make you see him how I do - just to make you see this is more than a political thing for me (because you said dems have the power and all you hear is about republicans). It is a Trump thing for me. Pure and simple.

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[quote=punch it in;1284152]I love how Trumpers think that he was some bad ass that stood up to our enemies because the draft dodging loudmouth tweeted a big game. LOL. I love how they think that they know what foreign diplomacy and actually having allies in the world works. But I especially love how they rewrite history about what their messiah did to our enemies. Wow Jonestown has nothing on these people.[/quote]

They drank the trumpaid!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1284160]Punch, I don't think I've EVER ONCE seen you outright criticize a democrat or the party as a whole for anything.

It's Friday - Throw us on the right a bone. Give us something?[/quote]

You've said that before and been proven wrong .When will you admit y0u come in to defend chico when he goes all trumpett

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[quote=Giantone;1284181]You've said that before and been proven wrong .When will you admit y0u come in to defend chico when he goes all trumpett[/quote]

Calm down G1. Punch can defend himself and we can discuss it between us 2.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284184]Calm down G1. Punch can defend himself and we can discuss it between us 2.[/QUOTE]



Lol. I dont think he was defending me, I think he was just reiterating what I said. Anyway- my long post was meant to be cordial hope it came across that way?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1284180]They drank the trumpaid![/QUOTE]



Ha. Like I said, Jonestown dont hold a candle to these good ole boys and girls.

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[quote=punch it in;1284185]Lol. I dont think he was defending me, I think he was just reiterating what I said. Anyway- my long post was meant to be cordial hope it came across that way?[/quote]

Yes it did.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1284188]Yes it did.[/QUOTE]



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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1284184]Calm down G1. Punch can defend himself and we can discuss it between us 2.[/quote]

So you can piggy back with chico but if I jump in I'm defending Punch? The two of you are trumpett peas in the trump pod.


Punch and others certainly don't need my help!

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[quote=Giantone;1284190]So you can piggy back with chico but if I jump in I'm defending Punch? The two of you are trumpett peas in the trump pod.

Punch and others certainly don't need my help![/quote]

I love you G1.

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From your view (literally anyone): How many people went into the capital building on January 6th?

I guess we've never had an "insurrection" before in my lifetime, so I don't even know how to define it.

IMO it wasn't an insurrection (feels like there needed to be way more people), it was just a group of dumbfucks being dumbfucks.

Then again - The actual number of people that went into the capital is different depending on source.

And before losing it, go back to when it happened, I don't play that shit. Fuck all of them. Never once said anything remotely supportive of that shit. So this is not meant for any kind of justification of how or why it took place.

I'm jaded as fuck. So I think the democrats (the party, not individual voters) are up-playing the importance of this thing to distract from any questions about the Biden administration.

Note - I could be wrong and don't take January 6th serious enough towards possible future actions.

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This is more of a grind my gears type comment. But anyone that has to look down every .8 seconds to get their talking point right, grinds my gears.

That equates to I don't really give a fuck about what I'm talking about, this is my script, and whoever already agrees with me will do so and whoever doesn't still won't, but I still look very important.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1284200]From your view (literally anyone): How many people went into the capital building on January 6th?

I guess we've never had an "insurrection" before in my lifetime, so I don't even know how to define it.

IMO it wasn't an insurrection (feels like there needed to be way more people), it was just a group of dumbfucks being dumbfucks.

Then again - The actual number of people that went into the capital is different depending on source.

And before losing it, go back to when it happened, I don't play that shit. Fuck all of them. Never once said anything remotely supportive of that shit. So this is not meant for any kind of justification of how or why it took place.

I'm jaded as fuck. So I think the democrats (the party, not individual voters) are up-playing the importance of this thing to distract from any questions about the Biden administration.

Note - I could be wrong and don't take January 6th serious enough towards possible future actions.[/quote]
Pretty arrogant but that seems to be the view if the right wing nuts .......

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[quote=Chico23231;1284205]Love the rat at the bottom.[/quote]

Seriously After russia backed trump?? Comrade chico lying again.:doh:

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Looks like I didn't miss anything while I was gone.

You know we sit here and we can argue until the end of time, meanwhile Putin sits back with a glass of his favorite wine laughing at our expense.

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[quote=mooby;1284256]Looks like I didn't miss anything while I was gone.

You know we sit here and we can argue until the end of time, meanwhile Putin sits back with a glass of his favorite wine laughing at our expense.[/quote]

I went the longest time without ever noticing these threads on the left side.

I'm glad I did for the non football threads, but I've gained absolutely nothing from the political threads. But they're hard to stay away from once you open them. Pandora's box.

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OK one of you (stated you were a Warpath poster) went over to my former stomping grounds (I'm banned there but I can still read posts), question did the out of control moderator, whom I won't name, ban you and if so for what violation? I saw a crap load of their rule violations directed at you but none from you.

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[quote=nonniey;1284310]OK one of you (stated you were a Warpath poster) went over to my former stomping grounds (I'm banned there but I can still read posts), question did the out of control moderator, whom I won't name, ban you and if so for what violation? I saw a crap load of their rule violations directed at you but none from you.[/quote]

I got banned there too.

My last words?

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts3-eBuaVqg"]From the classic Lethal Weapon 5[/URL].

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Pretty obvious now why Trump
Was soooooo desperate to stay in office and let Barr protect him. But most of us knew that. Some thought he was desperate to keep America great and protect their civil liberties! LOL

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[quote=punch it in;1284322]Pretty obvious now why Trump
Was soooooo desperate to stay in office and let Barr protect him. But most of us knew that. Some thought he was desperate to keep America great and protect their civil liberties! LOL[/quote]

Gotta admit I never understood why most Trumpers couldn't see that the order of Trump's values was Trump first , his money 2d, family 3rd, supporters 4th, and maybe country 5th (although that could be lower).

On the personal value's level he was the Republican's Clinton and politically he was the Republican's Obama.

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[quote=nonniey;1284352]Gotta admit I never understood why most Trumpers couldn't see that the order of Trump's values was Trump first , his money 2d, family 3rd, supporters 4th, and maybe country 5th (although that could be lower).

On the personal value's level he was the Republican's Clinton and politically he was the Republican's Obama.[/quote]

Sadly some still won't and refuse to see it. I will say he was way worse than either of those two.

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[quote=Giantone;1284374]Sadly some still won't and refuse to see it. I will say he was way worse than either of those two.[/quote]

Yes I agree, was just pointing out that Clinton was another who placed himself first and politically Trump was as bad for the Republicans as Obama was for the Dems (ie ended up handing over the House, Senate and Presidency to the other party - although I think Trump did more lasting damage to the Republicans by destroying Reagan conservatism in favor or right wing populism).

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[quote=nonniey;1284394]Yes I agree, was just pointing out that Clinton was another who placed himself first and politically Trump was as bad for the Republicans as Obama was for the Dems (ie ended up handing over the House, Senate and Presidency to the other party - although I think Trump did more lasting damage to the Republicans by destroying Reagan conservatism in favor or right wing populism).[/quote]

Oh Nonniey!!