Re: What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

[quote=MTK;1274018]This sort of reminds me of when the mighty Eric Schaffer left and all the consternation over that. Somehow we survived.[/quote]

I mean no disrespect to Schaffer but let's be honest, we went almost 30 years without an elite talent evaluator who knows what he's doing. Do I want him to walk? No. At the same time, Ron likes experience, and Kyle doesn't have enough of it. I hope there's a way to keep him, but acknowledge if the two don't see eye to eye a separation is likely incoming. It is what it is. It's not the end of the world if he leaves.

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[quote=Chico23231;1273947]Lol...great signature[/quote]

There’s always room for more!

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So with the offseason market open it strikes me that I have not heard of Kyle Smith getting requests to interview for other teams GM jobs. Have I missed that?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274154]So with the offseason market open it strikes me that I have not heard of Kyle Smith getting requests to interview for other teams GM jobs. Have I missed that?

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I don't think he's being considered at all, which makes me think we should not be too concerned about him not being here. Kyle will probably become the de facto or actual asst. GM, once the team hires a GM.

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By Zach Brook
January 3, 2021 5:03 pm

The Dwayne Haskins era in Washington is over less than two years after the former Ohio State quarterback was selected by the club 15th overall in the 2019 NFL Draft.

According to a new report from 106.7 The Fan' Sports Illustrated's Chris Russell, not only did the majority of the front office disagree with the idea of the franchise selecting Haskins, but Kyle Smith -- then the director of college scouting and now the vice president of player personnel - vehemently opposed the idea of taking the OSU standout and pleaded his case for Washington to draft one of three other players.

What’s more is, Smith apparently waited and waited as the clock and picks started to inch closer to Washington’s choice … and then he started to take some command of the room.

Smith started to ask questions on what the choice was going to be. Sources described to us a tense silence. Smith asked the room specifically: Is the organization really thinking of taking Haskins?

At that point, one voice chimed in. It was the owner’s voice, confirming that Haskins was going to be the choice.

After the selection was made and Haskins was announced as the draft choice, Smith continued on.

"More silence ensued in the moments around the pick and with the pick made, Smith pushed himself up from the table and unloaded on the room - a speech that was described as "fiery and passionate'' about the pick and how much he disagreed with the selection," according to Russell.
[url]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/smith-pleaded-with-snyder-to-not-take-haskins-during-draft[/url]

Its Chris Russell reporting so who knows ... if true then I could definitely see Snyder saying he would never make Kyle Smith GM no matter what .. and perhaps RR with no allegiance to Kyle will not pick that fight and decide to just hire someone else of his choosing. All speculation by me but the pieces fit (the narrative I want to push lol).

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We all know who was right about Haskins after all.

In the end I think Ron gets what Ron wants right now.

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In Ron I Trust

I trust him to know his own strengths and weaknesses and to seek input from people he trusts to do better than he could do himself. If you have a coach centric organizational chart like we do, I want the coach to have humility and not hubris.

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Per Rapoport:

The Washington Football Team has requested permission to interview Falcons Director of Football Operations Nick Polk for their open GM job, sources say. Polk is a respected member of the front office and he’s spent nearly two decades in Atlanta.

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[quote=MTK;1274160]We all know who was right about Haskins after all.

In the end I think Ron gets what Ron wants right now.[/quote]
I feel like that will change when Ron starts losing. This is just a scenario, and Snyder starts getting involved.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274203]I feel like that will change when Ron starts losing. This is just a scenario, and Snyder starts getting involved.[/quote]

It's never wise to bet against Danny interference, but eventually the impossible becomes possible. Until I see credible sources reporting otherwise I choose to believe Dan has given Ron carte blanche to run the ship.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274203]I feel like that will change when Ron starts losing. This is just a scenario, and Snyder starts getting involved.[/quote]

Good thing for us, he turned the beginning of this year, where we all had some questions, into a spring of hope. He isn't going to do a lot of losing here. I have RR sunglasses on. Snyder finally got something right.

I genuinely believe what he said, for the 1st 1/3 of the season, he was seeing what we had. He then realized, our division is straight ass, and pivoted. Our division was in fact ass, but he was right, we won it. And we competed against the GOAT.

Hire Kyle as GM or hire another GM and keep Kyle in a talent acquisition role, and this season really could not have gone better imo, by any realistic set of expectations.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/big-changes-front-office-dont-mean-big-problems-washington-football[/url]

For those who haven't made peace with it. Kyle Smith is going to be out when the new GM is hired. JP Finlay doesn't write this article if he thinks there's a good chance of Smith staying.

I wish we could keep Smith, but this is a coach-centric approach, and if the coach isn't vibing with Smith so be it. I trust the process until we have good reason not to (more losing seasons basically).

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[quote=mooby;1274270][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/big-changes-front-office-dont-mean-big-problems-washington-football[/url]

For those who haven't made peace with it. Kyle Smith is going to be out when the new GM is hired. JP Finlay doesn't write this article if he thinks there's a good chance of Smith staying.

I wish we could keep Smith, but this is a coach-centric approach, and if the coach isn't vibing with Smith so be it. I trust the process until we have good reason not to (more losing seasons basically).[/quote]

Watch someone in our division snap him up.

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[quote=mooby;1274270][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/big-changes-front-office-dont-mean-big-problems-washington-football[/url]

For those who haven't made peace with it. Kyle Smith is going to be out when the new GM is hired. JP Finlay doesn't write this article if he thinks there's a good chance of Smith staying.

I wish we could keep Smith, but this is a coach-centric approach, and if the coach isn't vibing with Smith so be it. I trust the process until we have good reason not to (more losing seasons basically).[/quote]

That's a great article, and it sums up how I feel about the GM position and Kyle Smith. He probably isn't ready for it at this point, and there are candidates out there that are, who can produce the same results or better than Kyle has with regard to finding talent, and who RR feels comfortable working with.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274272]Watch someone in our division snap him up.[/quote]

It will be Kyle or Mcvay

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[quote=mooby;1274217]It's never wise to bet against Danny interference, but eventually the impossible becomes possible. Until I see credible sources reporting otherwise I choose to believe Dan has given Ron carte blanche to run the ship.[/quote]

You know that’s 100% accurate when Ron released Mr. Kingdom of Pride Worldwide.

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Bad look now interviewing an internal candidate not named Kyle Smith

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[quote=Chico23231;1274294]Bad look now interviewing an internal candidate not named Kyle Smith[/quote]

No one outside the organization has asked to look at Kyle. The handwringing on this site is a bit misguided.

1) Kyle just got promoted last year, and given RR's general attitudes, I choose to believe that he has laid out his vision, and if there is a promotion path for Kyle

2) Multiple organizations are interviewing and hiring staff from other teams for open GM slots. Kyle's name has not been in the mix that I have heard.

3) While Kyle clearly has a solid track record in the organization for drafting, we have very little insight into his managerial abilities. I am reminded of the principle that one often gets hired one step above their abilities too quickly when they excel at a lower position.

4) It's Jan 16th, we have an amazing DLine, an up and coming WR/TE/RB, and we won the NFC East. Ron deserves the confidence that he will not purposefully tear down a major player in those accomplishments on a whim and without a plan.

- I reserve the right to retract all of this if Kyle is released/smeared/tarred and feathered by the owner

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274295]No one outside the organization has asked to look at Kyle. The handwringing on this site is a bit misguided.

1) Kyle just got promoted last year, and given RR's general attitudes, I choose to believe that he has laid out his vision, and if there is a promotion path for Kyle

2) Multiple organizations are interviewing and hiring staff from other teams for open GM slots. Kyle's name has not been in the mix that I have heard.

3) While Kyle clearly has a solid track record in the organization for drafting, we have very little insight into his managerial abilities. I am reminded of the principle that one often gets hired one step above their abilities too quickly when they excel at a lower position.

4) It's Jan 16th, we have an amazing DLine, an up and coming WR/TE/RB, and we won the NFC East. Ron deserves the confidence that he will not purposefully tear down a major player in those accomplishments on a whim and without a plan.

- I reserve the right to retract all of this if Kyle is released/smeared/tarred and feathered by the owner[/quote]

First, my that statement isn’t a knock against Ron.

I’m not saying this your points aren’t correct. But what football people says outside the organization matters...Especially those coaching teams to Super Bowls ie Kyle Shanny, McVay, and possibly Matt LaFleur who were once with the all with the org. They are big fans and they each know talent.

Too me, it’s a what have you done lately league. So Hurney or Mayhew are auto trash hires imo. Hiring them to lose Kyle...big fuckin mistake.

Kyle On talent eval in the draft, as well as free agency I’d say he’s done a great job especially in an org that has mismanaged everything.

I’d give him a GM interview because he has simply earned with this team..it then becomes an opportunity to say, “this isn’t the time, here’s what we’d like to see more of” but how about a re-title, bump in pay, etc type discussion.

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[quote=Chico23231;1274296]First, my that statement isn’t a knock against Ron.

I’m not saying this your points aren’t correct. But what football people says outside the organization matters...Especially those coaching teams to Super Bowls ie Kyle Shanny, McVay, and possibly Matt LaFleur who were once with the all with the org. They are big fans and they each know talent.

Too me, it’s a what have you done lately league. So Hurney or Mayhew are auto trash hires imo. Hiring them to lose Kyle...big fuckin mistake.

Kyle On talent eval in the draft, as well as free agency I’d say he’s done a great job especially in an org that has mismanaged everything.

I’d give him a GM interview because he has simply earned with this team..it then becomes an opportunity to say, “this isn’t the time, here’s what we’d like to see more of” but how about a re-title, bump in pay, etc type discussion.[/quote]

To be where he is at this point of his short career (Vice President of player personnel), three years removed from being a "regional" scout is pretty good. He probably has an eye for talent, and helped with the previous three drafts, but he's probably just not ready.

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[quote=Chico23231;1274296]First, my that statement isn’t a knock against Ron.

I’m not saying this your points aren’t correct. But what football people says outside the organization matters...Especially those coaching teams to Super Bowls ie Kyle Shanny, McVay, and possibly Matt LaFleur who were once with the all with the org. They are big fans and they each know talent.

Too me, it’s a what have you done lately league. So Hurney or Mayhew are auto trash hires imo. Hiring them to lose Kyle...big fuckin mistake.

Kyle On talent eval in the draft, as well as free agency I’d say he’s done a great job especially in an org that has mismanaged everything.

I’d give him a GM interview because he has simply earned with this team..it then becomes an opportunity to say, “this isn’t the time, here’s what we’d like to see more of” but how about a re-title, bump in pay, etc type discussion.[/quote]
I would be shocked beyond belief if RR has not discussed those things with Kyle. That's my point is that we don't know what has been said, but we do know Kyle was given a re-title, bump in pay, etc type discussion when RR took over.

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Too me good talent evaluators are like pass rushers, you can’t have too many.

I just would hate to see the guy go. Yes, too young and too inexperienced for GM, but too talented with a bright future too go.

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I haven't seen anything that says they plan on letting him go, or that another team is looking for his services. Anybody got that report?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274298]I would be shocked beyond belief if RR has not discussed those things with Kyle. That's my point is that we don't know what has been said, but we do know Kyle was given a re-title, bump in pay, etc type discussion when RR took over.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=Chico23231;1274299]Too me good talent evaluators are like pass rushers, you can’t have too many.

I just would hate to see the guy go. Yes, too young and too inexperienced for GM, but too talented with a bright future too go.[/quote]

I agree. But I'm readying myself now in case Kyle feels passed over.

Also Chief X, JP Finlay's article specifically mentions it:

[quote=JP Finlay]
Rivera is in the process of interviewing prospects to be the team’s new general manager, and regardless who gets that job, it very likely means current VP of Player Personnel Kyle Smith is out.
[/quote]

I don't think he puts that last line in there if he doesn't have intel saying Kyle Smith is getting ready to move on.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274297]To be where he is at this point of his short career (Vice President of player personnel), three years removed from being a "regional" scout is pretty good. He probably has an eye for talent, and helped with the previous three drafts, but he's probably just not ready.[/quote]

Not ready for what? His job is to acquire talent, replenish the machine, he has done that 3 years in a row. Of the 26 players picked by Smith 24 of them are on an NFL roster, 20 on the Washington roster, I'm not counting FA, just picks. Don't believe me? Look it up, that is unheard of. You have the capologist who handles the cap, HR issues are probably handled by him, Ron and management. What else is there for him to do? If/when he leaves, we'll be back to average picks. Ron must be blind.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1274306]Not ready for what? His job is to acquire talent, replenish the machine, he has done that 3 years in a row. Of the 26 players picked by Smith 24 of them are on an NFL roster, 20 on the Washington roster, I'm not counting FA, just picks. Don't believe me? Look it up, that is unheard of. You have the capologist who handles the cap, HR issues are probably handled by him, Ron and management. What else is there for him to do? If/when he leaves, we'll be back to average picks. Ron must be blind.[/QUOTE]You just listed all the reasons he should be vp of player personnel. Oh wait thats what he is. You also listed the things he hasnt done that a skilled GM has to be able to manage. Can Kyle be that skilled GM? Maybe, even probably, but whenever and wherever he becomes a GM at he won't be doing the things he is exceptionally qualified for.

Think about hiring a head coach. When a defensive mastermind becomes head coach he has to learn the concept of putting the whole team together. Some top notch defensive coordinators make the transition some don't. But even those who do are no handling the day to day of what they excelled at.

Kyle may be an excellent GM someday, maybe with the Redskins, but RR probably knows better then any of us do just how close or far away Kyle is to making that leap.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274306]Not ready for what? His job is to acquire talent, replenish the machine, he has done that 3 years in a row. Of the 26 players picked by Smith 24 of them are on an NFL roster, 20 on the Washington roster, I'm not counting FA, just picks. Don't believe me? Look it up, that is unheard of. You have the capologist who handles the cap, HR issues are probably handled by him, Ron and management. What else is there for him to do? If/when he leaves, we'll be back to average picks. Ron must be blind.[/quote]

Wait. Smith picked those 26 players by himself? Surely you don't believe that, right?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274322]Wait. Smith picked those 26 players by himself? Surely you don't believe that, right?[/quote]

He obviously has a scouting team and if/when he leaves will be taking some with him, depleting our scouting team. Rivera brought in Eric Stokes in July 2020 as Director of Pro Personnel, he wasn't involved in any of Smith's drafts and now he is being interviewed for the GM position. Kyle Smith is the VP of player personnel and if I'm not mistaken is a higher position than Director of Pro personnel, as of now he's not being interviewed. Why? Rivera likes to work with people he trusts, how about building trust with the guy in your building? If Smith doesn't get an interview consider him gone and to me that's a slap in the face of a guy who's had great success here. If Smith leaves only time will tell on how successful the drafts will be with the new GM.

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/team/front-office-roster/kyle-smith[/url]

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/team/front-office-roster/eric-stokes[/url]

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there sure are a lot of assumptions being made . . .

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Ron and Kyle have had a full 12 months working together, if Ron isn't promoting Kyle it is because he can't do the job Ron needs him to do at GM or that they don't have the same philosophy.

As an aside, coaching staffs have a big impact on players picked, several under the previous regime were credited to Jay Gruden, as well as the other scouting staff. It is not just Kyle

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This SI article doesn’t sound very promising for Kyle Smith.

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/sources-washington-football-rivera-plan-hire-hurney-plus-another-gm-caliber-staffer[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274631]This SI article doesn’t sound very promising for Kyle Smith.

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/sources-washington-football-rivera-plan-hire-hurney-plus-another-gm-caliber-staffer[/url][/quote]
Hope this don't blow up in Ron's face. Imagine Kyle getting a front office job with the 49ers or Rams. I could see mediocrity with this front office. Ron, and the good ol boys from Carolina.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274632]Hope this don't blow up in Ron's face. Imagine Kyle getting a front office job with the 49ers or Rams. I could see mediocrity with this front office. Ron, and the good ol boys from Carolina.[/quote]

Chris Russell...mmmk

My guess is the Rams and 49ers front offices are doing just fine with their current structure. Haven't heard of them looking to hire anyone.

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I thought that the People that make all the decisions on players actually read this forum and make decisions based on our knowledge....😳😀

What happens with Kyle Smith?
 

Keep Kyle Smith HERE by jacking up his salary, give him an upgraded title, plus increasing influence in the draft/FA/UDFA decisions. He’s only 38, and I wonder if Rivera is grooming him for the big job in a couple years?


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[QUOTE=Warthog;1274751]Keep Kyle Smith HERE by jacking up his salary, give him an upgraded title, plus increasing influence in the draft/FA/UDFA decisions. He’s only 38, and I wonder if Rivera is grooming him for the big job in a couple years?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Didn't RR do just that before the draft last year?

I think some on here are more worried about KS' role than KS is.

Edit: Jan 2020 promoted from director of college scouting to VP of Player Personnel

Give the guy time in grade please.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274771]Didn't RR do just that before the draft last year?

I think some on here are more worried about KS' role than KS is.

Edit: Jan 2020 promoted from director of college scouting to VP of Player Personnel

Give the guy time in grade please.

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People forget that Kyle Smith has not been interviewed for ANY of the GM openings. So obviously he is not in high demand.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1274778]People forget that Kyle Smith has not been interviewed for ANY of the GM openings. So obviously he is not in high demand.[/quote]

He sure is in high demand on this forum.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274779]He sure is in high demand on this forum.[/quote]

:lol: