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[quote=mooby;1239835]I prefer this chart although I don't find it to be 100% accurate.

[IMG]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Media-Bias-Chart-5.1-Licensed-1-pdf.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I was trying to find that one... either way my simple point was there are media sources on both sides of the fence to varying degrees. The world is not being taken over by the left as some want to think.

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Psssshhh you fuckin guys. You think that chart is legitimate right now in the trump presidency? Get the fuck out.

And of course I rant that with love!

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I’ll find it, but the lady of the org admits she’s a big liberal. It’s old too

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Being transparent doesn’t mean biased

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By media I mean more than just newspapers and news stations, also any chart that has the Washington Post close to the middle is a freaking joke.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239844]By media I mean more than just newspapers and news stations, also any chart that has the Washington Post close to the middle is a freaking joke.[/quote]

LOL, or........again, truthful.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1239844]By media I mean more than just newspapers and news stations, also any chart that has the Washington Post close to the middle is a freaking joke.[/QUOTE]


So nothing to back up your opinion, got it



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If you don't go to bed every night and wake up every morning frothing at the mouth with hate for Trump, there is no point commenting in these threads. Leave them be. Unless you're retired and need to kill some time, then go for it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239884]If you don't go to bed every night and wake up every morning frothing at the mouth with hate for Trump, there is no point commenting in these threads. Leave them be. Unless you're retired and need to kill some time, then go for it.[/quote]

Of course I'm a hypocrite myself because I just commented in one of the threads. I'll see myself out.

I blame the 6 pack of 2 Hearted Ales I had tonight.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239884]If you don't go to bed every night and wake up every morning frothing at the mouth with hate for Trump, there is no point commenting in these threads. Leave them be. Unless you're retired and need to kill some time, then go for it.[/quote]

Valid point, it seems the left just tramples people around here. Nobody wants to discuss anything, they just want to cram their beliefs down everyone's throat while denying the obvious.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239899]Valid point, it seems the left just tramples people around here. Nobody wants to discuss anything, they just want to cram their beliefs down everyone's throat while denying the obvious.[/quote]

Next thing they will claim is most of Hollywood doesn't lean left.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239899]Valid point, it seems the left just tramples people around here. Nobody wants to discuss anything, they just want to cram their beliefs down everyone's throat while denying the obvious.[/quote]

I've never had the impression you're interested in an open and honest discussion. You just constantly bash liberals. And when presented with some facts you quickly dismiss them since they don't fit with your view.

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[quote=MTK;1239908]I've never had the impression you're interested in an open and honest discussion. You just constantly bash liberals. And when presented with some facts you quickly dismiss them since they don't fit with your view.[/quote]

Facts? You have to be kidding me. Do you actually ever read the printed version of the Washington Post? They can't even keep their left leaning views out of the sports page and the "facts" you posted claim that paper is middle of the road.
You are the pot calling the kettle black when saying anyone isn't open to an honest discussion. For the record I do attempt to read the Washington Post as my girlfriend gets the paper.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239911]Facts? You have to be kidding me. Do you actually ever read the printed version of the Washington Post? They can't even keep their left leaning views out of the sports page and the "facts" you posted claim that paper is middle of the road.
You are the pot calling the kettle black when saying anyone isn't open to an honest discussion. For the record I do attempt to read the Washington Post as my girlfriend gets the paper.[/quote]

LOL those two charts show the WP leans left, but because it's not as far left as YOU think you just dismiss it and provide nothing to back it up other than your opinion. Doesn't sound like you're interested in having a real discussion to me.

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Well the left can finally rest. Trump has been impeached. The Senate won't find him guilty, and he will play the martyr to get his base out, but the left did its job.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1239957]Well the left can finally rest. Trump has been impeached. The Senate won't find him guilty, and he will play the martyr to get his base out, but the left did its job.

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Yes the Dems did their job protecting America but make no mistake about it, trump impeached himself.No the republicans need to follow suit and find him guilty(it will never happen).

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1239958]Yes the Dems did their job protecting America but make no mistake about it, trump impeached himself.No the republicans need to follow suit and find him guilty(it will never happen).[/QUOTE]Well I meant the left appeased it frothing base, but atleast we both agree that the Senate won't follow the partisan house vote. Well actually we probably both agree the Semate will follow with its own partisan vote.

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His impeachment means nothing.

I lament the fact when any gun legislation comes up the NRA and the right act like the Constitution is a sacred document that is the single most important piece of legislation ever written but when that same document says every Senator must take an oath to be impartial and judge an impeachment trial on the merits of the case, the two lead Republican senators will come out before that happens and announce they couldn't care less about that oath.

So either the Constitution means everything, or it means nothing. And if it means nothing, rip it up, disassemble Congress and let anarchy reign.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1239960]His impeachment means nothing.



I lament the fact when any gun legislation comes up the NRA and the right act like the Constitution is a sacred document that is the single most important piece of legislation ever written but when that same document says every Senator must take an oath to be impartial and judge an impeachment trial on the merits of the case, the two lead Republican senators will come out before that happens and announce they couldn't care less about that oath.



So either the Constitution means everything, or it means nothing. And if it means nothing, rip it up, disassemble Congress and let anarchy reign.[/QUOTE]Sadly we are headed that way. It is the progression of human history repeated over and over. The only question is what the actual date hiseltorians will mark as the death of the american experiment. It very well could be today, as partisan forces tear the concept of republican democracy apart.

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I vote Republican 98% of the time and for the most part I cannot stand Trump. Although the fact he annoys the hell out of liberals and is in their heads 24-7 brings me great joy. Also seeing all the Clinton voters crying on election night was a memory I have that was almost as good as any other in my life. Every time I think about it I laugh my ass off.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1239961]Sadly we are headed that way. It is the progression of human history repeated over and over. The only question is what the actual date hiseltorians will mark as the death of the american experiment. It very well could be today, as partisan forces tear the concept of republican democracy apart.

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We will never again talk about trump,..............without saying he was Impeached he has brought shame and disgrace to the Office of President and to this Country . He brought it on himself and Mitch and his buddies are the enablers of trump but I will admit there is blame all around .

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239963]I vote Republican 98% of the time and for the most part I cannot stand Trump. Although the fact he annoys the hell out of liberals and is in their heads 24-7 brings me great joy. Also seeing all the Clinton voters crying on election night was a memory I have that was almost as good as any other in my life. Every time I think about it I laugh my ass off.[/quote]



So to you it had nothing to do with what was good for the Country only what made others mad,piss others off? Enabler.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1239959]Well I meant the left appeased it frothing base, but atleast we both agree that the Senate won't follow the partisan house vote. Well actually we probably both agree the Semate will follow with its own partisan vote.

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Sadly it's true , just another thing trump will do to keep tearing America apart .

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[quote=mooby;1239960]His impeachment means nothing.

I lament the fact when any gun legislation comes up the NRA and the right act like the Constitution is a sacred document that is the single most important piece of legislation ever written but when that same document says every Senator must take an oath to be impartial and judge an impeachment trial on the merits of the case, the two lead Republican senators will come out before that happens and announce they couldn't care less about that oath.

So either the Constitution means everything, or it means nothing. And if it means nothing, rip it up, disassemble Congress and let anarchy reign.[/quote]

Ehhh...the better argument is this, the constitution failed to take into account large, well funded entities which exist only to influence congressional bodies more overtly than constituents of the elected officials. Let’s offer some some strong solutions: ex-elected officials can’t work for lobby groups and term limits.

Take the bias out. And the impeachment didn’t mean nothing because of the constitution but because the case made by the dems is weak. You don’t remove an Democratic elected president without established high crimes and misdemeanors. This was a political stunt...the constitution laughs at this bullshit. This isn’t the ex soviet eastern block country or a banana republic

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[quote=Chico23231;1239973]Ehhh...the better argument is this, the constitution failed to take into account large, well funded entities which exist only to influence congressional bodies more overtly than constituents of the elected officials. Let’s offer some some strong solutions: ex-elected officials can’t work for lobby groups and term limits.

Take the bias out. And the impeachment didn’t mean nothing because of the constitution but because the case made by the dems is weak. You don’t remove an Democratic elected president without established high crimes and misdemeanors. This was a political stunt...the constitution laughs at this bullshit. This isn’t the ex soviet eastern block country or a banana republic[/quote]


Yet trump tries to run it like it is. He "obstructed Chico" , you don't like it but he did , ask Nixon it's a no no.

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[quote=Giantone;1239971]So to you it had nothing to do with what was good for the Country only what made others mad,piss others off? Enabler.[/quote]

I can't think of a politician I hate more than Hillary Clinton. She is as vile of a human being as Trump, she just has a filter. She would eat her children to be president. I probably would have voted democrat if it was anyone other than Hillary.

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[quote=MTK;1239855]So nothing to back up your opinion, got it



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Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS. The "fact" that the Washington Post has an article about an LGBQT athlete no one ever heard of almost every Sunday in their sports page and is constantly still bringing up Colin Kaepernick speaks loudly of how far left they are.

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Here ya go , trump defenders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Putin says impeachment case against Trump is 'fabricated'
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-says-impeachment-case-against-113211628.html[/url]


MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that U.S. Democrats had impeached President Donald Trump for "fabricated" reasons in order to reverse his 2016 election victory.

Putin, speaking at his annual year-end news conference, said he expected Trump to survive the proceedings and stay in office.

The U.S. House of Representatives voted on Wednesday to impeach Trump, but Putin, like most observers, said he expected the Republican Senate to acquit him.

"It's unlikely they will want to remove from power a representative of their party based on what are, in my opinion, completely fabricated reasons," said Putin.




Every freking republican should be ashamed of themselves for this shit!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239981]Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS.[/quote]

No , it's fact ,not an "alternative fact" that trump supporters accept.

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[quote=Giantone;1239983]No , it's fact ,not an "alternative fact" that trump supporters accept.[/quote]

For the 1,000th time, I am NOT a Trump supporter.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239981]Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS. The "fact" that the Washington Post has an article about an LGBQT athlete no one ever heard of almost every Sunday in their sports page and is constantly still bringing up Colin Kaepernick speaks loudly of how far left they are.[/quote]

They are based algorithims dude and not your subjective opinion of Colin and LGBTQ+ articles

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1239981]Your "facts" like your chart of where news sources fall politically is based on OPINION. Opinions or theories are not FACTS. The "fact" that the Washington Post has an article about an LGBQT athlete no one ever heard of almost every Sunday in their sports page and is constantly still bringing up Colin Kaepernick speaks loudly of how far left they are.[/QUOTE]


Well, I put more stock in the research and data involved with putting together those charts than your Joe Schmoe opinion. Let me know when you can back up your opinion with something meaningful.



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[quote=MTK;1240004]Well, I put more stock in the research and data involved with putting together those charts than your Joe Schmoe opinion. Let me know when you can back up your opinion with something meaningful.



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I could care less what you think.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1240006]I could care less what you think.[/quote]

Your post's say different.

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Trump's impeachment comes off like a vote of no confidence like that used in European parliaments. But we don't have a mechanism like that so the pols are trying to use impeachment as a stand in. It won't achieve their desired results -Trump's removal- but as G1 said it tarnishes his legacy for historical value.

As long as the country sits at a near 50 50 split, and we get candidates like HC and Trump, we will see more of this from both sides. And both sides media heads will scream why the current case is different from the last one.

I hope everyone will be able to tell their grandchildren what the US was like when we stood united in common purposes. It seems like a fairy tale even now.



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I'm not sure the Debating With the Enemy forum is successful any longer. Not much intelligence being put forth around here, just a bunch of firing shots. There was a time where I could learn things from reading through these posts but those days are fewer and far between, now.

I continue to be disappointed by our leadership. From all facts gathered from available reporting, and from the behavior of the White House as they sought to cover the tracks following Trump's phone calls with Ukraine, it seems fairly clear that Trump abused his power, using foreign policy to influence foreign governments into taking action to influence a domestic election. Whether Biden is actually guilty of anything is neither here nor there, the President used the State's power to try to influence Ukraine. It's an impeachable offense.

What's so disappointing about Congress is McConnell, and other Senators, saying they're not impartial jurors in this process. McConnell said 'I'm not an impartial juror, this is a political process.' Yet he literally took an oath when he took office in the Senate that reads verbatim:

[QUOTE]I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.[/QUOTE]

And despite swearing that he will uphold the Constitution, which clearly lays out that Senators are to act as impartial jurors during an impeachment adjudication, he says he's not an impartial juror.

It's a microcosm of how polarized and partisan this nation has become. Set aside all duty to the country in the name of party. It's incredibly disappointing.

That all said, Pelosi should know that these impeachment proceedings are never going to result in the necessary 2/3rds vote in the Senate to actually remove Trump from office, and she should know that Trump's media machine will spin the impeachment proceedings as a 'witch hunt', painting Trump as the victim while he's trying to stand up for the everyman in America.

We've got the President breaking laws, we've got the Senate majority leader abandoning his oath of office, and we've got ineptitude at the helm of the other party. It's hard to find a reason to go to the polls to vote in November 2020.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1240012]Trump's impeachment comes off like a vote of no confidence like that used in European parliaments. But we don't have a mechanism like that so the pols are trying to use impeachment as a stand in. It won't achieve their desired results -Trump's removal- but as G1 said it tarnishes his legacy for historical value.

As long as the country sits at a near 50 50 split, and we get candidates like HC and Trump, we will see more of this from both sides. And both sides media heads will scream why the current case is different from the last one.

[B]I hope everyone will be able to tell their grandchildren what the US was like when we stood united in common purposes[/B]. It seems like a fairy tale even now.



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I can't even remember what that was like. My childhood was Clinton being impeached for lying about a blowjob. The closest we came was being united against terrorists after 9/11, but that has faded thanks to the useless war we're still fighting in Afghanistan.

Speaking of I find it incredible how the impeachment has basically covered up the report that just came out detailing the amazingly pervasive corruption in Afghanistan. Every American should be united in how angry they are that we've spent almost a trillion dollars in Afghanistan with nothing to show for it.

Also +1 on another fantastic post Schneed. I agree in that even if Trump loses the White House in 2020, this country is doomed to continue heading down this path.

Also Chico, I agree. Two of the most prudent actions we can take would be eliminating lobbyist influence on Congress and term limits. I think the one thing we could all agree on is term limits for Congress. The problem is Congress has no incentive to vote for term limits on themselves.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1240006]I could care less what you think.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for proving my point



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[quote=Schneed10;1240013]I'm not sure the Debating With the Enemy forum is successful any longer. Not much intelligence being put forth around here, just a bunch of firing shots. There was a time where I could learn things from reading through these posts but those days are fewer and far between, now.

I continue to be disappointed by our leadership. From all facts gathered from available reporting, and from the behavior of the White House as they sought to cover the tracks following Trump's phone calls with Ukraine, it seems fairly clear that Trump abused his power, using foreign policy to influence foreign governments into taking action to influence a domestic election. Whether Biden is actually guilty of anything is neither here nor there, the President used the State's power to try to influence Ukraine. It's an impeachable offense.

What's so disappointing about Congress is McConnell, and other Senators, saying they're not impartial jurors in this process. McConnell said 'I'm not an impartial juror, this is a political process.' Yet he literally took an oath when he took office in the Senate that reads verbatim:



And despite swearing that he will uphold the Constitution, which clearly lays out that Senators are to act as impartial jurors during an impeachment adjudication, he says he's not an impartial juror.

It's a microcosm of how polarized and partisan this nation has become. Set aside all duty to the country in the name of party. It's incredibly disappointing.

That all said, Pelosi should know that these impeachment proceedings are never going to result in the necessary 2/3rds vote in the Senate to actually remove Trump from office, and she should know that Trump's media machine will spin the impeachment proceedings as a 'witch hunt', painting Trump as the victim while he's trying to stand up for the everyman in America.

We've got the President breaking laws, we've got the Senate majority leader abandoning his oath of office, and we've got ineptitude at the helm of the other party. [B]It's hard to find a reason to go to the polls to vote in November 2020.[/B][/quote]

You get that cool sticker that says "I Voted"

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