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Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.

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[quote=Meks;1224435]unless they get best value for him I'd say fuck em. Go ahead and sit out and smoke weed dude. You'll be a year older and a lineman who hasn't played in an NFL game in a year. Someone would sign him but would he get a great deal of money? This isn't L. Bell we're talking about here.......

( if the "not about money" reports are true )[/quote]

I am inclined to agree. However, if a startable tackle gets cut by another team and the skins can sign him, then we have some options. At that point, trent becomes expendable.

IF we determined the relationship is unsalvageable, then shipping TW to a team for a starting player at another position of need (plus a draft pick, depending on the player) makes a lot of sense.

For example, we need an all-around tight end. Minnesota needs a tackle. Trading TW for Kyle Rudolph plus something else significant, could make a lot of sense for both teams (Minnesota would have to re-do Trents contract to something more team-friendly the next couple years). It would also allow us to cut VD and free up cap space.

Preferably, we work things out with Trent, but there are deals out there that could be made if he pushes things.

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i mean, it's an initial reaction to feel the way i do, but ya gotta figure that the national media are doing the best they can to trash the redskins as usual, and there might not be anything but a contract issue at play here. If thats the case? Ya try your best to get it done within reason. If the other half is true then I would have no problem trading him for a 2nd and 3rd. Sadly.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224436]Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.[/quote]

To be fair to the team, I would imagine that HIPPA laws prevent the team from commenting on the specifics of Trent's condition without his consent. This is not a football-related medical condition, so i'm assuming whatever waivers players normally sign to allow teams to release injury-related issues would not apply here.

I'm hoping Trent's agent is just leaking stuff to give his client additional leverage in contract negotiations.

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I think all will be well if they offered to make him the highest paid OL in the game.

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Also, tidbit from Sheehan is according to a source, Bruce’s first offer was a lowball one to Schreff.
Typical

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[quote=Chico23231;1224436]Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.[/quote]

Sheehan is a fucking joke. Honestly, I have no idea why you listen to him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224444]Also, tidbit from Sheehan is according to a source, Bruce’s first offer was a lowball one to Schreff.
Typical[/quote]

Every team will do this. I'm sick and tired of people thinking this only happens with the Redskins. The Steelers just let the #1 RB and #1 WR in the league walk away because they didn't want to pay them.

Every owner/front office's goal is to pay their player as little as possible. Especially with teams that have cap issues like the Redskins.

Just do everyone a favor and stop listening to Sheehan. That dude LIVES on negativity. If you want to get Redskins news with some degree of objectivity, just stick to JP Findlay and his crew.

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There's an awful lot of stuff floating around this story it's hard to tell what is true and what isn't. But some things are obvious ...

-- TW IS under contract right now, for two more years.

-- It's impossible to replace a talent like TW - this time of year.

-- The Skins have been looking for depth at Tackle like a crack whore looking for her next hit -- pretty much on the hour.


If it's true Trent Williams "vows to never play for the Skins" .. then you have to find a way to get as much in return for him as you can. The Browns, and Texans have OLine needs and a crap ton of cap space. So start there, and see what you can get.

But if that isn't true, then you wait him out ... and maybe sweeten his deal a little bit, but in this scenario, the Skins have the leverage. TW has two years remaining on his contract. His age and injury history makes it less likely he could "pull a LeVeon Bell" successfully. So he's more likely to play, than not.


It's a freakin mess though ... exactly what we don't need to be messing around with.


I hope TW plays for us next year, the way he's capable of playing. If so, we have a chance at surprising people. If he doesn't, well, we will struggle.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224445]Sheehan is a fucking joke. Honestly, I have no idea why you listen to him.[/QUOTE]How so?

He is definitely black coffee but he isn't into gossip and has reasoned opinions.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1224446]Every team will do this. I'm sick and tired of people thinking this only happens with the Redskins. The Steelers just let the #1 RB and #1 WR in the league walk away because they didn't want to pay them.



Every owner/front office's goal is to pay their player as little as possible. Especially with teams that have cap issues like the Redskins.



Just do everyone a favor and stop listening to Sheehan. That dude LIVES on negativity. If you want to get Redskins news with some degree of objectivity, just stick to JP Findlay and his crew.[/QUOTE]Combine the low-ball offer with Bruce Allen being the least trusted GM in the league and there is something there.

[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/19/bruce-allen-named-as-least-trusted-executive-poll/[/url]

He screwed the last one up so bad we didn't even get a cup of coffee for cousins.

Remember when Bruce came out an announced the super terrific fantastic offer the team made to Kirk.( which was below market value)


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1224449]Combine the low-ball offer with Bruce Allen being the least trusted GM in the league and there is something there.

[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/19/bruce-allen-named-as-least-trusted-executive-poll/[/url]

He screwed the last one up so bad we didn't even get a cup of coffee for cousins.

Remember when Bruce came out an announced the super terrific fantastic offer the team made to Kirk.( which was below market value)


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Cousins is a different case, because he did not want to play here. I don't know why people don't understand that when they discuss his situation. But I'm not going to go there, because I'm sick of discussing him in here.

If you haven't, go listen to all of the Andrew Brandt's podcasts when it comes to player negotiations. While you are at it, listen to his thoughts about Cousins' dealings with the Redskins. But in general, my take is that teams are always going to want to pay players less, and agents want more, that's the nature of the business.

In general, the Redskins have had a history of paying their elite/important players (see Kerrigan's and Trent's contract renewals), pay reasonable contracts to important free agents (Norman, Alex Smith, Landon Collins), and let players who did not want to play here/wanted more than what they are worth (Crowder, Cousins, etc., etc.).

Finally, Sheehan is a joke, all he does is complains about the team and that's his shtick, that's how he gets his ratings.

You want an objective take on the team? Listen to John Keim's podcast, the Redskins Talk Podcast, heck even the Cooley Podcast. Read anything by JP Findlay, Craig Hoffman, Michael Phillips, and of course Keim. Over the past couple of weeks, those guys have even debunked some of the exaggerated reports that the likes of Grant Paulsen and Chris Russell have put out there.

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Sheehan is too much of a fan to stay truly objective. He's pissed off just like everyone else over the last 20 years under Snyder. I do get tired of hearing about the erosion of the fan base lol, but I do like the guests he has including Cooley and SVP, and I like his back and forth with Loverro.

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[quote=Defensewins;1224418][B]The poll choice above is too over simplified - Pay hm or trade him.
[/B]This decision for the team and TW will depend on whether he wants to come back, if so how much he wants, will the be willing to pay and lastly TW's health.
He is under contract so this makes for drama.
However there seems to be a disconnect between the players and the coaches/team doctors and the front office. This needs to get fixed yesterday. Big F for the team to have their best players upset at the way this was handled. But it could get fixed.
Last years debacle of a season has exposed some serious dysfunction in the relationship between the players and the coaches/FO.
What immediately comes to mind is the players that complained about out inept Defensive coordinator all have been cut. Players should have a forum to complain about coaching issues [B][U]privately[/U][/B] and not lose their job. Seems kind of petty/[/quote]

At the end of the day isn't what the situation boils down to? Besides, I like simple, no wiggle room polls, otherwise they just get silly with too many options.

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[quote=MTK;1224456]Sheehan is too much of a fan to stay truly objective. [B]He's pissed off just like everyone else over the last 20 years under Snyder[/B]. I do get tired of hearing about the erosion of the fan base lol, but I do like the guests he has including Cooley and SVP, and I like his back and forth with Loverro.[/quote]

And this is why I identify with a lot of his rants...we are sick of the dysfunction, the pettiness, and the bullshit from the org. he gives a more honest opinion and he does have some solid sources. Sure some of his shit is annoying, but most folks with strong opinions will strike that nerve in others which show their effectiveness.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224409]This thread should be titled the off-season over-reaction thread.

Let me know if Trent holds out when it costs him actual money. Or when he bashes the front office for his medical treatment. Until then, JLC and Morgan Moses don't have near enough street cred to make this a real story.[/quote]

Definitely a good degree of overreactions going on, but when Moses backed up the story a bit it made my ears perk up. But then again AP shot it down so who knows. We'll probably never get the whole story but if Trent holds out in training camp we'll know it's getting serious.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224459]And this is why I identify with a lot of his rants...we are sick of the dysfunction, the pettiness, and the bullshit from the org. he gives a more honest opinion and he does have some solid sources. Sure some of his shit is annoying, but most folks with strong opinions will strike that nerve in others which show their effectiveness.[/quote]

Yes, but rants doesn't equate to news and analysis; therefore, I don't hold anything Sheehan says/writes in high regard, because he's just a disgruntled fan as Matty said.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1224459]And this is why I identify with a lot of his rants...we are sick of the dysfunction, the pettiness, and the bullshit from the org. he gives a more honest opinion and he does have some solid sources. Sure some of his shit is annoying, but most folks with strong opinions will strike that nerve in others which show their effectiveness.[/QUOTE]My opinion as well.

He is biased but he acknowledges it. He has stated clearly he isn't a journalist.

He is also reasoned and like others have said does have sources.

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[quote=MTK;1224458]At the end of the day isn't what the situation boils down to? Besides, I like simple, no wiggle room polls, otherwise they just get silly with too many options.[/quote]

In this case, I really would have liked an option for do nothing. I realize it might have gotten the lion share, but that really is the right answer, the Skins are under no obligation to make a change in the situation, and the best option is that they don't.

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[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/6/trent-williams-drama-points-same-old-unstable-reds/[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1224471][url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/6/trent-williams-drama-points-same-old-unstable-reds/[/url][/quote]

Great line: “Speaking of the draft, owner Dan Snyder’s prize rookie quarterback, Dwayne Haskins, bought a Bentley last month. If Williams isn’t at left tackle this season, Haskins should have bought an ambulance.”

Of course this written by Sheehan’s boy: Thom Loverro....it’s a total bitchfest, RUskins should give it a read.

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[quote=Chico23231;1224474]Great line: “Speaking of the draft, owner Dan Snyder’s prize rookie quarterback, Dwayne Haskins, bought a Bentley last month. If Williams isn’t at left tackle this season, Haskins should have bought an ambulance.”

Of course this written by Sheehan’s boy: Thom Loverro....it’s a total bitchfest, RUskins should give it a read.[/quote]

If I want to read a bitchfest, I'll just re-read my own gameday posts from last season.

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Don't know what to believe when it comes to the report about TW not wanting to play for the Skins ever again.

What I do know is that we are obviously NOT in rebuild mode. We drafted a QB 15th overall. We strengthened our D (ok losing Reuben Foster sucks, but still). We have a strong backfield. [B][U]We finally have an effin LG[/U][/B] !

TW is a beast. He's our top player year in and year out. We need a strong OL to protect our young QB.

Pay. The. Guy.

We've made a decent job [U]building this roster from the trenches[/U] the last couple of years... don't throw away the [U]keystone to its foundations[/U] now !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1224478]Don't know what to believe when it comes to the report about TW not wanting to play for the Skins ever again.

What I do know is that we are obviously NOT in rebuild mode. We drafted a QB 15th overall. We strengthened our D (ok losing Reuben Foster sucks, but still). We have a strong backfield. [B][U]We finally have an effin LG[/U][/B] !

TW is a beast. He's our top player year in and year out. We need a strong OL to protect our young QB.

Pay. The. Guy.

We've made a decent job [U]building this roster from the trenches[/U] the last couple of years... don't throw away the [U]keystone to its foundations[/U] now ![/quote]

I agree! Keenum, Haskins, whoever is at quarter is going to need a strong offensive line, and Trent needs to be there at left tackle.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1224474]Great line: “Speaking of the draft, owner Dan Snyder’s prize rookie quarterback, Dwayne Haskins, bought a Bentley last month. If Williams isn’t at left tackle this season, Haskins should have bought an ambulance.”



Of course this written by Sheehan’s boy: Thom Loverro....it’s a total bitchfest, RUskins should give it a read.[/QUOTE]



Sheehan bitches, Loverro trolls



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Sheehan made a great point yesterday:

If Trent were not on our team and a free agent, would we sign him to the contract that he wants? Sheehan's answer, when i agree with, was No.

You don't make a 31 year old injury-prone player, one mistake away from a 1 year suspension, the highest paid LT in the league. You just don't.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1224486]Sheehan made a great point yesterday:



If Trent were not on our team and a free agent, would we sign him to the contract that he wants? Sheehan's answer, when i agree with, was No.



You don't make a 31 year old injury-prone player, one mistake away from a 1 year suspension, the highest paid LT in the league. You just don't.[/QUOTE]



Someone would pay him



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I know he's 31 but he still has 3-4 great years of ball left, it's not easy finding an ELITE Tackle, we have been lucky to do so over the years but that well will run dry soon.

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Very frustrating.. still no official word from Williams on the whole fiasco.. friends/teammates speaking for him.. Man up look the camera in the eye and tell it like it is ! It’s not like we aren’t used to this teams front office screwing stuff up. I would feel better if he has some legit issues with med staff vs some kinda ploy to get a new contract .. we have a poll started to keep or trade him and nobody has heard from Trent .. maybe he will issue a statement 😳

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From Keim

Leftover observations from minicamp: 1) The Redskins absolutely need Trent Williams back, which should be obvious. It's very hard to measure the play of the OL or DL without pads, but it's hard to imagine Ereck Flowers being a viable option at this point. I'm not sold on him as a LG, but we'll see more in camp; poor technique at one spot doesn't turn into good technique at another.

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Can't recall who in the media said it just recently but they said nobody in recent memory has looked worse in OTA's than Flowers. Dude is just garbage, get him the heck outta here.

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[quote=MTK;1224492]Can't recall who in the media said it just recently but they said nobody in recent memory has looked worse in OTA's than Flowers. Dude is just garbage, get him the heck outta here.[/quote]

He was brought in as a camp body just like we assumed, dude sucks. He won't make the team if Trent stays.

Lets also put it like this, if Trent is not there by week 1, we are doomed. He's the most valuable player on our offense and I ask anyone here to tell me why that is not the truth.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1224489]I know he's 31 but he still has 3-4 great years of ball left, it's not easy finding an ELITE Tackle, we have been lucky to do so over the years but that well will run dry soon.[/quote]

Peters and Whitworth are both 37 and still playing well. Can't tell me Trent can't play well for at least the next 3 seasons. I'd look to give him a 2 year extension to resolve this mess but that's it.

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[quote=MTK;1224494]Peters and Whitworth are both 37 and still playing well. Can't tell me Trent can't play well for at least the next 3 seasons. I'd look to give him a 2 year extension to resolve this mess but that's it.[/quote]

Agree

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[quote=MTK;1224492]Can't recall who in the media said it just recently but they said nobody in recent memory has looked worse in OTA's than Flowers. Dude is just garbage, get him the heck outta here.[/quote]

Paul Woody Richmond Times Dispatch


I tend to lean towards not just giving Trent a really big extension as he has trended towards routinely missing a quarter of the season due to injury or suspension. I would rather pay the guy Schreff entering his prime.

Let the Trent situation die down a bit...add a year and some guaranteed money. If this is over several million from being a top 3 paid OT in the league...try to find away.


...Id would totally do what Sheehan suggested, call Donald Penn and do a one year deal soon and cut Flowers

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Trent asked to be released.
Not sure why we are still talking about contracts.

I'm hopeful this is just a scare tactic to get the teams attention.
Someone needs to resolve the issues the players have with the medical staff.

Gruden needs to take charge of this situation.


[URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839607-redskins-trent-williams-has-reportedly-demanded-trade-or-release-from-team"]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839607-redskins-trent-williams-has-reportedly-demanded-trade-or-release-from-team[/URL]

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We’re talking about contracts because what else is going to resolve it? A pat on the back and an apology?

Whenever it’s supposedly not about money, it’s about money


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Gruden doesn't need to do shit, this is above is pay grade. In fact him having to face down the media about it is pretty shitty. As usual Bruce stays in the shadows on the tough issues, but hot damn he sure was out and about after the draft basking in the glow.

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[quote=jamf;1224497]Trent asked to be released.
Not sure why we are still talking about contracts.

I'm hopeful this is just a scare tactic to get the teams attention.
Someone needs to resolve the issues the players have with the medical staff.

Gruden needs to take charge of this situation.


[URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839607-redskins-trent-williams-has-reportedly-demanded-trade-or-release-from-team"]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839607-redskins-trent-williams-has-reportedly-demanded-trade-or-release-from-team[/URL][/quote]

Trent has moved from weed to LSD if he thinks we giving him a straight release. He might as well retire... its not a serious option.

Trent wants some more cash.

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if i,m Dan snyder , i,m on a plane to meet trent williams and his agent face to face to iron this situation out