Re: Sua Cravens
 

He's like a girl who can't just say what they mean, they gotta tease and make you try to decipher the code. The act is getting old.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=MTK;1190151]I can’t stand vague tweets or FB posts looking for attention. Just say what you mean.[/quote]

Kirk does that shit too and I can't stand it, not just our guys Bell always does it, these players now a days just seek that attention because they know they will get it.

"Here we go" or "Can't believe this" and they know everyone will be like OMG look what they just tweeted.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=mooby;1190161]He's like a girl who can't just say what they mean, they gotta tease and make you try to decipher the code. The act is getting old.[/quote]

which is y I'm ready to move on from him. Dude needs to grow up

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1190164]which is y I'm ready to move on from him. Dude needs to grow up[/quote]

Yup.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

Reportedly Denver has made "multiple offers " for Cravens

a 2020 7th round pick and a 2019 7th round pick ?

[url]https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/19/17139554/denver-broncos-trade-washington-redskins-sua-cravens[/url]

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1191171]Reportedly Denver has made "multiple offers " for Cravens

a 2020 7th round pick and a 2019 7th round pick ?

[url]https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/19/17139554/denver-broncos-trade-washington-redskins-sua-cravens[/url][/QUOTE]I wouldn't even accept that offer, he is worth much more than that. That is unless the defense team do not want Cravens back on the team at all then the office might be forced to accept the low-ball offer.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

Just keep Cravens and let him bounce back

Re: Sua Cravens
 

We already have 2 7ths this year. Don't need a 3rd. A 6th this year and 7th next year, and I'd take it.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1191171]Reportedly Denver has made "multiple offers " for Cravens

[B]a 2020 7th round pick and a 2019 7th round pick ?[/B]

[url]https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/3/19/17139554/denver-broncos-trade-washington-redskins-sua-cravens[/url][/quote]

Where are you reading that the offers have been 2020 and 2019 7th rounders? Because the link you provide here definitively does not say that.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191201]Where are you reading that the offers have been 2020 and 2019 7th rounders? Because the link you provide here definitively does not say that.[/quote]

this is a sarcastic guess of the "multiple offers"

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1191191]Just keep Cravens and let him bounce back[/QUOTE]If his play and attitude can earn the trust of the locker room back, then he's definitely worth more than two late round picks!

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Report-Broncos-made-multiple-trade-offers-for-Redskins-S-Sua-Cravens-116459518[/url]

Re: Sua Cravens
 

If Denver wants him bad enough they’ll eventually make an offer worth considering. Until then he’s a part of this team.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.

1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.

2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.

3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.

Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.

Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191398]I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.

1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.

2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.

3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.

Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.

Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.[/quote]


I would love barkley, but I just don't see them getting that for Cravens and the 13.. It would prob have to include a 1st next yr or our 2nd this yr.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1191399]I would love barkley, but I just don't see them getting that for Cravens and the 13.. It would prob have to include a 1st next yr or our 2nd this yr.[/quote]

Reading is fundamental, you respond so quickly that you don't even finish reading.

I said 'plus whatever else'.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191398]I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.



1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.



2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.



3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.



Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.



Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.[/QUOTE]


Imagine getting Barkley? Pretty sure my head would explode

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191398]I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.

1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.

2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.

3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.

Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.

Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.[/quote]

This is interesting scenario.. I really don't like the idea of trading to move up but then I don't watch college football much so I don't know Barkley that much other than what everyone is saying. I suppose it depends on what we give up, after all, we still need to resolve LG and D-line issue.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191400]Reading is fundamental, you respond so quickly that you don't even finish reading.

I said 'plus whatever else'.[/quote]

I know, that's why I said plus a 2nd or a 1 next yr. Either way it would be great to get him.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=GridIron26;1191402]This is interesting scenario.. I really don't like the idea of trading to move up but then I don't watch college football much so I don't know Barkley that much other than what everyone is saying. I suppose it depends on what we give up, after all, we still need to resolve LG and D-line issue.[/quote]

He's got potential but there have been so many RB bust over the years, it is tough to trade a lot for one.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191398]I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.

1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.

2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.

3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.

Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.

Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.[/quote]

Interesting situation. I would not be upset in getting Saquon Barkley, but again, I like more "swings at the bat", so I hope the Cravens trade winds up just being added draft picks, albeit not just 7th round picks. They need to pony up something better than that IMO!

Re: Sua Cravens
 

I think I'm with you. We have needs at a number of other spots such that more swings of the bat is almost always the best solution.

But Barkley's skill set is definitely every bit as good as Adrian Peterson's was coming out of college. He's about as sure a thing as we've seen coming out of college. He would immediately become the guy every team has to game plan around when they faced us. That's definitely worth quite a bit. I think if we were to trade up, he would be the only guy I'd accept as potentially worth it, even though I'd prefer more swings of the bat.

I want to be careful that this idea doesn't get any legs as a rumor. It's just a fan's thought on a website.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191398]I usually don't post unfounded bullshit, but my brain came up with this little crazy conspiracy theory this morning.

1) Redskins and Broncos have been discussing Su'a Cravens. Su'a hired Peter Schaffer, a Denver based agent. No trade has been consummated yet.

2) Broncos have the 5th pick in the draft. They definitely could look at QB. But they did just sign Keenum.

3) Redskins are unabashedly discussing their desire to solve the RB position in this draft.

Could it be, just could it be, that Cravens has been discussed as a possible part of a trade to be consummated on draft day, such that if Saquon Barkley makes it to 5 where the Broncos will be on the clock, then the Redskins will ship Cravens and the 13th plus whatever else to Denver, for the right to move up to 5 and take Saquon.

Reminder this is unfounded bullshit. Do not take this seriously as anything more than spit in the wind. I'm not even sure I'd want this deal, I just found it curious that Cravens has been discussed and that we're basically broadcasting that we intend to do something at RB.[/quote]

You are better off staying away from unfounded BS. This is a terrible idea.
Barkeley, no matter how good, doesn't solve our needs at NT, or LG. maybe if it were a year where we had an abundance of picks like Cleveland does this year, than maybe, but barring Denver taking Sua for our 1st and 2 - 7ths, we need our picks more than Barkeley.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

I mean imagine the RPO threat this offense becomes if Saquon is the running threat. Smith ran RPOs with great success in KC and Gruden has stated he wants to incorporate some of it.

If Saquon is the guy threating the defense on the ground, I can guarantee they're crashing to him more often than not.

So bubble out Paul Richardson on a RPO bubble screen - if the defense crashes to Saquon get it outside to Richardson and let him break it to the house. With Trent as athletic as he is, you could send him out to wipe out one of the DBs.

Or stack your WRs to the right, put Jordan Reed wide to the left by his lonesome, and send Saquon to the side with all the WRs. If the defense crashes to Saquon, throw an out to Reed and let him try to win the one-on-one and take one to the house.

I can picture it so clearly in my head that it's making me feel like he's already a Redskin. I need to splash some cold water on my face.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

It’s fun to think about, but I’d be fine with guys like Guice, Chubb, Johnson, etc

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1191408]You are better off staying away from unfounded BS. This is a terrible idea.
Barkeley, no matter how good, doesn't solve our needs at NT, or LG. maybe if it were a year where we had an abundance of picks like Cleveland does this year, than maybe, but barring Denver taking Sua for our 1st and 2 - 7ths, we need our picks more than Barkeley.[/quote]

You're right, but you're also no fun.

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

Time for some salary cap updates isn't it???

[IMG]https://78.media.tumblr.com/14d42ffbd56f66fcf55c35587d0094dc/tumblr_p0i9fgCp6Y1wzypxlo1_500.gif[/IMG]

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1191412]Time for some salary cap updates isn't it???

[IMG]https://78.media.tumblr.com/14d42ffbd56f66fcf55c35587d0094dc/tumblr_p0i9fgCp6Y1wzypxlo1_500.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Fair

:laughing2

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=Schneed10;1191409]I mean imagine the RPO threat this offense becomes if Saquon is the running threat. Smith ran RPOs with great success in KC and Gruden has stated he wants to incorporate some of it.

If Saquon is the guy threating the defense on the ground, I can guarantee they're crashing to him more often than not.

So bubble out Paul Richardson on a RPO bubble screen - if the defense crashes to Saquon get it outside to Richardson and let him break it to the house. With Trent as athletic as he is, you could send him out to wipe out one of the DBs.

Or stack your WRs to the right, put Jordan Reed wide to the left by his lonesome, and send Saquon to the side with all the WRs. If the defense crashes to Saquon, throw an out to Reed and let him try to win the one-on-one and take one to the house.

I can picture it so clearly in my head that it's making me feel like he's already a Redskin. I need to splash some cold water on my face.[/quote]

Yea totally. He is the missing piece who would improve every aspect of the offense and it would bleed over to assisting the D as well in time of possession.

My gut reaction is pretty much the same as yours.

When logic comes back into the thought process, my biggest concerns are the cost of the trade, it would probably be expensive and the short length of RB careers generally. High cost and short career don't add up to good value.

That being said, he is the unique talent that makes such a consideration necessary.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

So Denver’s trade for former Washington safety Su’a Cravens involves five draft picks, but the main one is a fifth-round pick that is going to the Redskins.

Cravens to Denver official per Espn

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[url]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/979019997338046464?s=19[/url]

I guess that's about what I expected, probably a 4th round value overall, haven't checked the chart yet though.

It sucks how this all went down, but was probably a necessary move at this point. At least we got something.

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

I don't like that deal..

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Basically for a 5th rounder which is what was expected

Re: Sua Cravens
 

So they're moving up in the 4th and 5th rounds and getting back a 5th rounder?? That seems like a good deal. They felt Cravens could not come back here so they had to get something for him and they did. They're plenty of good players in the 5th round.

Cravens doesn't love football. Period. He'd rather be a drama queen than play football.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1191754]Basically for a 5th rounder which is what was expected[/QUOTE] Looked up on the draft value chart and it's a very late 4th round equivalent.

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1191755]So they're moving up in the 4th and 5th rounds and getting back a 5th rounder?? That seems like a good deal. They felt Cravens could not come back here so they had to get something for him and they did. They're plenty of good players in the 5th round.

Cravens doesn't love football. Period. He'd rather be a drama queen than play football.[/quote]

I agree, and this is more than I thought we would get. I'll take it. Alex Smith trade is even better now.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

[url]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/979026410554757120?s=19[/url]


Not that it's that it's that big a difference but..

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

So we move up 4-7 spots in 4th and 5th round and get extra 5th rounder? I'll definitely take it.

Re: Sua Cravens
 

This is why I'm ok with this trade:

[url]https://youtu.be/XTW32lz6vX0[/url]

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Re: Sua Cravens
 

I see cry baby Su’a finally got his way.


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