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[quote=SmootSmack;1166056]He's proven multiple times that he's not a "functional alcoholic"[/quote]

Exactly. Fired from his last two jobs.

I wouldn't minimize SM not being at the combine. The guy is a draftaholic as well if he isn't there something is up...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1166056]He's proven multiple times that he's not a "functional alcoholic"[/quote]

Was he at the Senior Bowl?

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pretty good summation of the SM news. [url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-scot-mccloughan-no-longer-running-redskins/]Report: Scot McCloughan no longer running Redskins - CBSSports.com[/url]

[QUOTE]Russell reported that:

“President Bruce Allen, coach Jay Gruden, scouts Alex Santos and Scott Campbell, and personnel executive Doug Williams are now running the team. Russell also reported Williams has taken on an ‘increased role’ in the organization, likely at McCloughan’s expense. McCloughan now ‘has nothing to do with anything and has not for a very long time.'"[/QUOTE]

Regardless of how deeply it's related to alcohol and an alcohol problem, this was the risk the Skins took in bringing SM here. Sadly, I can't remember the last time the Skins took a risk and it actually didn't backfire, I am open to being reminded of any and all great success stories of the last 20 years.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1166060]Was he at the Senior Bowl?[/quote]

Yes.. why?

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Damn reports say Doug Williams is poised to take Scots job if he Is let go.. SMOOT what do u think about this?

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complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1166052]Not drinking related

[url]https://twitter.com/MikeJonesWaPo/status/837146822497959938[/url][/quote]


It's drinking related. That funeral/"family matters" Stuffed happened early Feb. Weeks ago so that isn't the reason he's not at the combine. He's probably in a rehab.


Why can't we get something nice for a fucking change.

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I,m totally scared we are going to screw this whole off season up royally,the front office b.s. Is incredible we are becoming the laughing stock of the league again who the hell is running the team we all would like to know ,secondly what are we doing with Jackson and garçon seems to me we are letting them both go ugh we have no idea what doctson can do ,then you here reports that we will not be active a lot in free agency and we might take an offensive player with the first round pick really wow just incredible,unless it is one of the two top RB,s we are so close to being pretty darn good and we are so close to fucking this whole thing up and being the joke of the league again ,I really hope there is a god above because this organization needs all the help it can get...

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Any way you look at it, it's not good. Now, is it a bad thing if Gruden is having more influence over player acquisition? I'd much rather McC have it, but I do think Gruden knows what he's looking for.

The disturbing part is the power struggle stuff.

Still, when you get down to it, it's still the same scouting staff with Campbell et al just with Doug Williams and Allen leading the way. Assuming the reports are accurate. And I can't see a reason to question them.

But it's still the same scouting staff, they're the ones that informed McC and they'll be the same ones informing Allen and Doug. It just means McC may not be making the call on draft day as to who to select. That worries me a bit because he could be counted on to take BPA. I get a little concerned we'll start reaching for need with a change at the helm.

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[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/02/scot-mccloughan-absent-from-redskins-park-since-february-20th/]Scot McCloughan Absent From Redskins Park Since February 20th « CBS DC[/url]

According to this, he hasn't been at Redskins Park since the 20th. SMH

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1166066]complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top[/QUOTE]
Worst owner in football, he's a complete fuck tard. Yeah he wants to win but he also wants to be Jerry Jones, well until he wins 3 rings sit the fuck down.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1166063]Regardless of how deeply it's related to alcohol and an alcohol problem, this was the risk the Skins took in bringing SM here. Sadly, I can't remember the last time the Skins took a risk and it actually didn't backfire, I am open to being reminded of any and all great success stories of the last 20 years.[/quote]

I cant think of one. However, I am not completely convinced the dumpster is full of oily rags. I don't know why but for some reason I think this off season is going to wind up OK in the long run.

I guess the way I read the tea leaves over the last three years is this:

year 1: SM is awesome, great draft headed in the right direction (alcohol free)

year 2: WTF was that draft about...GDI the free agents didnt work either...(not alcohol free)

year 3: Not going to let that shit happen again. Go get yourself together.

At the end of this year (possibly next year) Gruden could very well come out of this as a really solid foundation for a long time. If he can get DS to back off on RGIII and the front office to contain a drunk GM, while at the same time winning games, not too shabby. By this fall promote another GM from within and keep moving forward.

Thems is some Burgundy glasses I am sure, but I cant keep from thinking this is what is happening.

I am not a Snyder hater and tend to dismiss alot of the all things bad in DC are directly due to DS. First five years yes. Since then has been getting better over time.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1166073][url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/02/scot-mccloughan-absent-from-redskins-park-since-february-20th/]Scot McCloughan Absent From Redskins Park Since February 20th « CBS DC[/url]

According to this, he hasn't been at Redskins Park since the 20th. SMH[/quote]


The key piece in here:

[quote]Multiple Redskins officials were seen entering the Crowne Plaza hotel in Indianapolis on Wednesday evening for interviews with college draft prospects. Among them were coach Jay Gruden, senior personnel executive Doug Williams, director of pro personnel Alex Santos and multiple scouts. Neither McCloughan nor team president Bruce Allen were seen entering the meeting.[/quote]

Interviews are the only real valuable piece of the combine. McC isn't there to do what he always said was the most important part - find out what's inside the player's chest, what drives them, who they are. Gruden and Doug are the ones assessing that.

It's clear as day that means those two are driving the process now. If Gruden's in the room I feel a little better. I think he understands character, heart, whether a guy likes football, and I think he knows what he wants in his team. I hope Doug and Allen defer to his judgment.

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Why is it Snyder's fault that McC seems to be drinking himself out of another job?

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[quote=Schneed10;1166078]The key piece in here:



Interviews are the only real valuable piece of the combine. McC isn't there to do what he always said was the most important part - find out what's inside the player's chest, what drives them, who they are. Gruden and Doug are the ones assessing that.

It's clear as day that means those two are driving the process now. If Gruden's in the room I feel a little better. I think he understands character, heart, whether a guy likes football, and I think he knows what he wants in his team. I hope Doug and Allen defer to his judgment.[/quote]

McC missing the combines is like Santa missing Xmas; its their time of the year to shine.

I have seen plenty of smoke at this point something is up with McC. =(

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[quote=MTK;1166082]Why is it Snyder's fault that McC seems to be drinking himself out of another job?[/quote]

if there is a power struggle inside the FO, its clearly Snyder's fault. I like to think there is support within the organization with someone going through substance abuse problem too. Skins clearly were aware of the problems in the past too.

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[quote=Kope;1166075]I cant think of one. However, I am not completely convinced the dumpster is full of oily rags. I don't know why but for some reason I think this off season is going to wind up OK in the long run.

I guess the way I read the tea leaves over the last three years is this:

year 1: SM is awesome, great draft headed in the right direction (alcohol free)

year 2: WTF was that draft about...GDI the free agents didnt work either...(not alcohol free)

year 3: Not going to let that shit happen again. Go get yourself together.

At the end of this year (possibly next year) Gruden could very well come out of this as a really solid foundation for a long time. If he can get DS to back off on RGIII and the front office to contain a drunk GM, while at the same time winning games, not too shabby. By this fall promote another GM from within and keep moving forward.

Thems is some Burgundy glasses I am sure, but I cant keep from thinking this is what is happening.

I am not a Snyder hater and tend to dismiss alot of the all things bad in DC are directly due to DS. First five years yes. Since then has been getting better over time.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment of Snyder, tho I admit this off-season speculation around KC's contract had me worried. If SM has been struggling then that may actually (when wearing BaG glasses) explain some of the lack of movement we have seen. It's still not a great thing, ideally SM kept his act together, and the Skins ship steadied around him as GM and Gruden as HC. Like you said, maybe a steadier GM comes up from the ranks and we keep moving forward. Here's hoping! :food-smil

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I am not sure why everyone assigns "power struggle" to Snyder, he is not struggling with anyone, if he wanted to be in charge and out front he would be. If there was a struggle it was between BA and Scot, Dan from all appearances is staying out of it for the most part.

I think that this organization is helping Scot cover up a relapse and trying to quietly get him some help.

It also appears that plans for Doug Williams going forward and it would not surprise me to see him become the next GM, he has done a good job as a coach and in recruiting at the college level, he has the connections and has shown to be a solid scout. I think that the current power structure works and he could slide right in. Let Doug become the super scout GM, and Bruce and Schaffer handle the contracts and the cap. I really want Jay to have a lot of influence and think he is really turning into a solid coach.

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[quote=mredskins;1166083]McC missing the combines is like Santa missing Xmas; its their time of the year to shine.

I have seen plenty of smoke at this point something is up with McC. =([/quote]

Without a doubt. Him missing the 60 player interviews at the combine might as well mean he has completely missed the entire scouting process. It's one of the most important steps.

I've already mentally moved on from McC. In my mind, it's all about whether Gruden can be influential enough to steer the organization towards making smart draft day selections. He's the only one in the interview rooms who I trust.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166066]complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top[/quote]

In away you want a power struggle at the top; it becomes a system of checks and balances. Handing the keys to one person is probably not the best route to go.

Synder wants to make money more then win championships; some people seem not to understand that.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/bruce-allen-scot-mccloughan-back-when-family-matters-are-handled/]Bruce Allen: Scot McCloughan back when family matters are handled | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1166088]In away you want a power struggle at the top; it becomes a system of checks and balances. Handing the keys to one person is probably not the best route to go.

Synder wants to make money more then win championships; some people seem not to understand that.[/quote]

eh...I don't want constant struggle especially when it comes to trust. I like one message, positivity, big picture, and clear action plans to achieve goals.

Im not saying it should be fake, kumbaya type shit. you always need people who will hold up the these things with accountability and someone who thinks a second look or different is ok.

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Hopefully all this McC stuff is just BS but man as a long time suffering Skins fan he was a serious ray of hope in a black hole of despair. =(

Get better McC!

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[quote=Chico23231;1166093][B]eh...I don't want constant struggle especially when it comes to trust. I like one message, positivity, big picture, and clear action plans to achieve goals.[/B]

Im not saying it should be fake, kumbaya type shit. you always need people who will hold up the these things with accountability and someone who thinks a second look or different is ok.[/quote]

You want that when the decision is made during the process of the decision you want some power struggle among est who you think are your best decision makers.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1166053]I have a feeling Bruce Allen is going to fuck this up.[/quote]

This..

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This is really sad. I'm getting the feeling that SM's days are limited with the Redskins. How does the teams GM get "sent home??" That does not sound good to me.

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Red Zone hype....

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/62009/Report--McCloughan-no-longer-running-Redskins/Default.aspx]Report: McCloughan no longer running Redskins[/url]

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Tweet from SM's wife

Jessica McCloughan‏ @JessicaMcCloug1
@MikeJonesWaPo Mike is correct, @Russellmania621 is not. Scot was not in anyway sent home from Redskins Park.

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I think the Redskins probably got as much out of Scot as they had hoped to get. Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are smart men. They knew when they hired him that it was just a matter of time before he fell off the wagon. That's because nobody can cure himself. Perhaps they asked him to go through rehab before they hired him and he refused. Of course, I don't know that but that is what alcoholics often do

They hired him anyway so they could benefit from his knowledge and skills until he could no longer function. They kept their own team of scouts in place and Scot trained them in how to run a scouting organization. I have no doubt that the Redskins are much better in the player personnel department now, even without Scot.

I hope Scot is in rehab. I hope he gets better and can come back to work. If he doesn't come back, I hope he can live a happy and productive life no matter what he chooses to do for a living. I believe that Scot will leave a positive legacy with the Redskins by having taught them how to do player personnel the right way.

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[quote=hutch17;1166086] I think that the current power structure works and he could slide right in. Let Doug become the super scout GM, and Bruce and Schaffer handle the contracts and the cap. I really want Jay to have a lot of influence and think he is really turning into a solid coach.[/quote]

This. All is not lost. The more I look at this the happier I am. Homegrown through adversity and all on the same page, best way to build an organization. I agree on Gruden too, he is a keeper and the players buy into him; cannot understate how important player buy in is.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1166092][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/bruce-allen-scot-mccloughan-back-when-family-matters-are-handled/]Bruce Allen: Scot McCloughan back when family matters are handled | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]



aka he's drying out

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[quote=MTK;1166104]aka he's drying out[/quote]

Well if thats true, and it sounds like it is then we should can him ASAP.
He'll miss the combine and wont have time to properly prepare for the draft.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1166105]Well if thats true, and it sounds like it is then we should can him ASAP.
He'll miss the combine and wont have time to properly prepare for the draft.[/quote]

maybe . . . but the best draft we had in a long time was run by Bruce Allen with SM consulting from his ranch in Washington while he was drying out

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I have a few staff members who I value extremely highly. If I found that one of them were relapsing into alcoholism I would definitely choose to be patient, get them the help they need, let them go on leave and try to get right.

I'd lean on my other staff in the meantime. I fully get what Allen is doing here.

At the same time, if my valued staff member relapsed again after I gave the good grace? Time for the axe.

This of course assumes that there's not some crazy power struggle in my office. Not sure if that's the case in Ashburn or what. But still, I get the patience. I'm not sure Bruce is being a poor manager here.

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That all said, it's still not good to be missing the star employee at a crucial time of the year. So fingers crossed for this draft.

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If Bruce is drafting, we are going to get Christian McCaffrey in the first round.
:mad:

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[quote=MTK;1166104]aka he's drying out[/quote]

Exactly, if it was his grandmother dying and its the combine his biggest time of the year, you suck up your grandma's death; at least to get you through those critical days for your job.

Redskins are handling this the total correct way; basically saying nothing.

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[quote=Schneed10;1166110]That all said, it's still not good to be missing the star employee at a crucial time of the year. So fingers crossed for this draft.[/quote]

I know right!

Scott you had one job! One job!

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He probably did have a family member to pass, but he had been muzzled since the end of January.

It's just a horrible time for him to miss. Hopefully he's left the combine in good hands.

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If Scott is drinking again who could blame him? The dysfunction in Redskin park is enough to make Jesus,Gandhi,and Ted Nugent all become alcoholics:twocents: