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[quote=punch it in;1161404]Compton may be a fiery guy. I dont know, but he sucks. He cannot be a starter.[/quote]

I like him and the fact he worked his way up from nothing, but think we could use an upgrade. Foster was ballin' yesterday but I think either of them could be replaced. The athleticism needs an upgrade. Find our next Fletcher. But I am getting ahead of myself, I think both safeties and defensive line are bigger needs. Especially if Baker wants a big deal and we won't give it to him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1161393]I was going through the Profootball focus grades for the Oline...our 3 studs (silverblunted, Schreff and Moses) mostly all consistent with run and pass block. Louvao sucked at both but better run block.

But the real red flag for me was Spencer Long. He graded out as one of the best the pass blockers at Center. Guess what? One of the worst in the league at Run blocking. He was borderline terrible.

It needs to be addressed.[/quote]

It's funny you mentioned Spencer Long. I remember seeing him on the play (I think where he got hurt) in Arizona where a counter run play was called. Long had the presence of mind to not only pull and block his assigned guy, but also chip another defender that freed Kelly for a long run. I thought to myself, "This is one thing I used to see on a regular basis with the Hogs!" Not saying Long is hog material, but how many linemen have that presence of mind to not only get their assigned guy blocked but to also help out and chip another defender at the same time? It seems like in recent years, we've seen (too often) guys who can't even get their assigned guys blocked correctly, let alone have the presence of mind to take care of their assignment and help out with getting other guys blocked as well. Or maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention?

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[quote=mooby;1161414]I like him and the fact he worked his way up from nothing, but think we could use an upgrade. Foster was ballin' yesterday but I think either of them could be replaced. The athleticism needs an upgrade. Find our next Fletcher. But I am getting ahead of myself, I think both safeties and defensive line are bigger needs. Especially if Baker wants a big deal and we won't give it to him.[/quote]

Wil seemed to play worse as the season went on...Damn he missed a huge tackle on 3rd down which lead the big pass play at the end of the game the other day.

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[quote=metalskins;1161418]It's funny you mentioned Spencer Long. I remember seeing him on the play (I think where he got hurt) in Arizona where a counter run play was called. Long had the presence of mind to not only pull and block his assigned guy, but also chip another defender that freed Kelly for a long run. I thought to myself, "This is one thing I used to see on a regular basis with the Hogs!" Not saying Long is hog material, but how many linemen have that presence of mind to not only get their assigned guy blocked but to also help out and chip another defender at the same time? It seems like in recent years, we've seen (too often) guys who can't even get their assigned guys blocked correctly, let alone have the presence of mind to take care of their assignment and help out with getting other guys blocked as well. Or maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention?[/quote]

Long is a solid guy, but he has some room for improvement. Ive seen him get pushed back a lot on run blocking. Him and Luavao getting collapsed inside aint gonna cut it. Needs to get fixed.

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[quote=Chico23231;1161420]Long is a solid guy, but he has some room for improvement. Ive seen him get pushed back a lot on run blocking. Him and Luavao getting collapsed inside aint gonna cut it. Needs to get fixed.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind an upgrade for Long but he's not tops on the priority list. Lauvao needs to be replaced first and then if there's an upgrade available they will look at center. If not then stick with Long another year and hope he gets stronger and works on his game.

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Remember when Jeff Bostic was having that rough year in '87? He got pushed around a lot by that Giants defensive line. He was having such a rough year that Gibbs demoted him. Of course, Bostic had already proven that he was a solid Center prior to that year, but I mentioned Bostic simply because I think we have some solid guys on the line that are smart and have the potential to develop into top notch offensive linemen, but maybe they need more time in the weight room or more time at McDonald's? (Or both)

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Whether you like him or not, other teams are interested.
Rams and 49ers for now.

49ers requested HC interview with Washington OC Sean McVay, per source.

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I'm not sold on Long by any means.
I would look for a center in the draft.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1161437]Whether you like him or not, other teams are interested.

Rams and 49ers for now.



49ers requested HC interview with Washington OC Sean McVay, per source.[/QUOTE]



Shocker its the Rams and Niners. That west coast air will make your brain foggy. [emoji6]
If he comes with Cousins, Reed, DJax, Crowder, Garcon, Davis, and CT they might have something on offense at least. Than they will just need to hire an OC that can finish the damn drive.
Seriously is it any wonder we were able to move between the 20's? Damn that is one hell of a set of pass catchers.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1161441]Shocker its the Rams and Niners. That west coast air will make your brain foggy. [emoji6]
If he comes with Cousins, Reed, DJax, Crowder, Garcon, Davis, and CT they might have something on offense at least. Than they will just need to hire an OC that can finish the damn drive.
Seriously is it any wonder we were able to move between the 20's? Damn that is one hell of a set of pass catchers.[/QUOTE]



Amazing group of receivers. Hard to believe we're 29th in RZ TD production, but that's also on our running game, especially in a tight box. Kinda agree that OC is the most likely culprit there, but as I posted in the KC thread, Kirk needs to shake off the yips in the red zone and take charge. The fades were not the only options on those horrid plays. Kirk seems to like them because they're low risk.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1161439]I'm not sold on Long by any means.
I would look for a center in the draft.[/quote]

Long is fine at center. An upgrade at LG will help him. There are other positions to upgrade during the draft.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1161449]Long is fine at center. An upgrade at LG will help him. There are other positions to upgrade during the draft.[/quote]

Kouandjio will be the starter, the only reason Lauvao started is because the money he was paid. Arie has proven he can play and on year 3 he will be much improved.

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[quote=MTK;1161384]In fact most of the time I'll take a top D over a top O. Look at how the Panthers got handled in the SB last year.[/quote]

I'd for sure take a top defense. In fact, 60% of the time I'd take it every time.

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[QUOTE=HTTR;1161444]Amazing group of receivers. Hard to believe we're 29th in RZ TD production, but that's also on our running game, especially in a tight box. Kinda agree that OC is the most likely culprit there, but as I posted in the KC thread, Kirk needs to shake off the yips in the red zone and take charge. The fades were not the only options on those horrid plays. Kirk seems to like them because they're low risk.[/QUOTE]



No doubt he needs to take the bull by the horns down there........

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[quote=punch it in;1161404]Compton may be a fiery guy. I dont know, but he sucks. He cannot be a starter.[/quote]

Haha totally agree, his tackling is weak.

Just saying I'm not sure we have our locker room guy on the offensive side of the ball.

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[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/gus-bradley-may-be-headed-for-the-most-awkward-demotion-in-nfl-history/ar-BBxTO2G?li=BBnba9I]Gus Bradley may be headed for the most awkward demotion in NFL history[/url]

If the Schefter rumor is true we might be out of the running for Bradley before it ever began.

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Wow...I really didn't expect McVay to land a HC gig this year, but it sounds like there is deep interest......

Rams are 'spending a lot of time" doing research on McVay
[U] [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/07/rams-doing-their-homework-on-sean-mcvay/]Rams doing their homework on Sean McVay | ProFootballTalk[/url][/U]


And, he's to odds-on favorite for the 49er's job

[U][url=http://www.sportsline.com/insiders/25755021/sean-mcvay-favored-to-replace-chip-kelly-as-49ers-head-coach/]Sean McVay Favored to Replace Chip Kelly as 49ers Head Coach - SportsLine.com[/url][/U]

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[quote=Bangee7;1162083]Wow...I really didn't expect McVay to land a HC gig this year, but it sounds like there is deep interest......

Rams are 'spending a lot of time" doing research on McVay
[U] [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/07/rams-doing-their-homework-on-sean-mcvay/]Rams doing their homework on Sean McVay | ProFootballTalk[/url][/U]

And, he's to odds-on favorite for the 49er's job

[U][url=http://www.sportsline.com/insiders/25755021/sean-mcvay-favored-to-replace-chip-kelly-as-49ers-head-coach/]Sean McVay Favored to Replace Chip Kelly as 49ers Head Coach - SportsLine.com[/url][/U][/quote]

McVay going to take Cousins with him? I just don't get how he's qualified to be a HC. Good luck if it happens 9ers.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1162086]McVay going to take Cousins with him? I just don't get how he's qualified to be a HC. Good luck if it happens 9ers.[/QUOTE]



Also our wr corp, the interested parties might want to read the fine print where it acknowledges the fact that from the 20 yard line he is purely a clueless spectator like the rest of us!

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[quote=punch it in;1162092]Also our wr corp, the interested parties might want to read the fine print where it acknowledges the fact that from the 20 yard line he is purely a clueless spectator like the rest of us![/quote]

Yeah I really don't know what we are missing about McVay that would make him such a great HC...

Even Cooley as saying he'd have a serious opportunity, either now or in a near future... Don't know what's so special about him.

Have to give him this offense has been pretty productive under his watch. And with, when you think about it, few superstars. I'm not sure Pierre Garçon (who I love and want to stay with us) would look as good as he does here in another offense.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1162098]Yeah I really don't know what we are missing about McVay that would make him such a great HC...

Even Cooley as saying he'd have a serious opportunity, either now or in a near future... Don't know what's so special about him.

Have to give him this offense has been pretty productive under his watch. And with, when you think about it, few superstars. I'm not sure Pierre Garçon (who I love and want to stay with us) would look as good as he does here in another offense.[/quote]

We'll miss him. He has been around football since he was a baby, his grandpa got 5 rings with the Niners. I read an article that he acts like his 45, great interviewer and has great knowledge. How do you explain Cousins growth the last 2 years? Don't underestimate the man cause some folks dislike him.

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That sucks to be 30 and act like you're 45. Be 45 when you're 45.

He's barely been a OC, and he's already super young for that position, and he has a lot of improvements he needs to make. And somehow he's going to coach a whole team?

This isn't about him staying here, I won't cry if he leaves, I just don't see why he's qualified to be a HC, let alone possibly the leading candidate.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1162117]That sucks to be 30 and act like you're 45. Be 45 when you're 45.

He's barely been a OC, and he's already super young for that position, and he has a lot of improvements he needs to make. And somehow he's going to coach a whole team?

This isn't about him staying here, I won't cry if he leaves, I just don't see why he's qualified to be a HC, let alone possibly the leading candidate.[/quote]

It's obvious you don't see what NFL people see, the 49ers and Rams are seriously considering him. The Rams want him to improve Goff like he did with Cousins.

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Three reasons why McVay is an interesting candidate despite his youth:

Experience: McVay might only be 30, but he’s been around the game longer than most who are older. He’s described as “30 going on 45” by people who know him well. McVay’s grandfather worked for the San Francisco 49ers from 1979-95, including as the vice president/director of football operations for 12 of those years. McVay spent a lot of time with him. And he’s been in the NFL since 2008 (except for one year when he was an assistant in the United Football League). He’s been the Redskins’ offensive coordinator since for three years. Kirk Cousins deserves the bulk of the credit for his growth as a quarterback, but the coaches deserve praise, too. McVay has worked with him for three years and the offensive design -- combined with the talent -- should help any quarterback. It's a good system.

Interviews well: Those who know McVay best say they’re confident in how well he’ll handle interviews. Naturally, the word is that his interview with the Rams went well Thursday. Typically that’s what you’ll hear with most coaches interviews, but with McVay it’s believable. He has never come across as someone who is young or out of place in his role. During media sessions, McVay doesn’t always say a whole lot, but he sounds good saying it and he speaks well. He’s a little like how Derek Jeter was with the Yankees: Say enough to somewhat satisfy, but nothing controversial, and move on. The point: He has some polish. It will be different for him when he must answer questions about both sides of the ball, but he’s really good at staying on message.

Approach: Multiple players, but especially the quarterbacks, have all said the same thing about McVay. He’s as detailed a coach as they’ve been around. Backup quarterback Colt McCoy said McVay and quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh “are two of the most detailed guys I’ve been around. They give us extra notes. They have great ideas of how we’re supposed to play. Sean has a specific way he wants things done. He’s very detailed. We’re always prepared.” Knowing McVay, he will take that same approach to interviews, which is why those close to him have known he’d do well in these settings.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29651/despite-his-youth-sean-mcvay-an-intriguing-head-coaching-candidate]Despite his youth, Sean McVay an intriguing head coaching candidate - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1162120]Three reasons why McVay is an interesting candidate despite his youth:

Experience: McVay might only be 30, but he’s been around the game longer than most who are older. He’s described as “30 going on 45” by people who know him well. McVay’s grandfather worked for the San Francisco 49ers from 1979-95, including as the vice president/director of football operations for 12 of those years. McVay spent a lot of time with him. And he’s been in the NFL since 2008 (except for one year when he was an assistant in the United Football League). He’s been the Redskins’ offensive coordinator since for three years. Kirk Cousins deserves the bulk of the credit for his growth as a quarterback, but the coaches deserve praise, too. McVay has worked with him for three years and the offensive design -- combined with the talent -- should help any quarterback. It's a good system.

Interviews well: Those who know McVay best say they’re confident in how well he’ll handle interviews. Naturally, the word is that his interview with the Rams went well Thursday. Typically that’s what you’ll hear with most coaches interviews, but with McVay it’s believable. He has never come across as someone who is young or out of place in his role. During media sessions, McVay doesn’t always say a whole lot, but he sounds good saying it and he speaks well. He’s a little like how Derek Jeter was with the Yankees: Say enough to somewhat satisfy, but nothing controversial, and move on. The point: He has some polish. It will be different for him when he must answer questions about both sides of the ball, but he’s really good at staying on message.

Approach: Multiple players, but especially the quarterbacks, have all said the same thing about McVay. He’s as detailed a coach as they’ve been around. Backup quarterback Colt McCoy said McVay and quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh “are two of the most detailed guys I’ve been around. They give us extra notes. They have great ideas of how we’re supposed to play. Sean has a specific way he wants things done. He’s very detailed. We’re always prepared.” Knowing McVay, he will take that same approach to interviews, which is why those close to him have known he’d do well in these settings.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29651/despite-his-youth-sean-mcvay-an-intriguing-head-coaching-candidate]Despite his youth, Sean McVay an intriguing head coaching candidate - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

Thank you, that was the article I was referring too. I honestly wish he would stay with us. People seem to think that very good OC's grow in trees, just like DC's.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162121]Thank you, that was the article I was referring too. I honestly wish he would stay with us. People seem to think that very good OC's grow in trees, just like DC's.[/quote]

I would like him to stay, but I know it's only a matter of time before he leaves. If he doesn't get a HC job this year, he will next year. The real question is who do we find to replace him? Do we pick someone form the Gruden Tree or bring in a fresh face?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162118]It's obvious you don't see what NFL people see, the 49ers and Rams are seriously considering him. The Rams want him to improve Goff like he did with Cousins.[/quote]

Because NFL decision makers are always right? Lol. We hired a defensive coordinator that was part of a 0-16 team over Wade Phillips.

Just because they make decisions doesn't make them right. And the ownership of both those teams are a joke. I live in CA, and I know people that root for both teams including my dad, my uncle, and 2 of my best friends.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1162130]Because NFL decision makers are always right? Lol. We hired a defensive coordinator that was part of a 0-16 team over Wade Phillips.

Just because they make decisions doesn't make them right. And the ownership of both those teams are a joke. I live in CA, and I know people that root for both teams including my dad, my uncle, and 2 of my best friends.[/quote]

I'm very familiar with both of those franchises, I live in the Bay area and former Forty Niner players like McVay and Josh McDaniels, folks like Steve Young and Brent Jones endorse him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162132]I'm very familiar with both of those franchises, I live in the Bay area and former Forty Niner players like McVay and Josh McDaniels, folks like Steve Young and Brent Jones endorse him.[/quote]

I went to high school in Martinez, then went to DVC JC, and transferred to SDSU. Where are you?

After I posted my response I remembered that you're a fellow Californian.

I met Brent Jones at a card show when I was younger, and he mocked me for being a Skins fan. I loathe Brent Jones lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1162139]I went to high school in Martinez, then went to DVC JC, and transferred to SDSU. Where are you?

After I posted my response I remembered that you're a fellow Californian.

I met Brent Jones at a card show when I was younger, and he mocked me for being a Skins fan. I loathe Brent Jones lol.[/quote]

I'm in Pacifica on the coast (poorman's SD) can't stand Brent Jones myself.

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I can see why he would be hired, he's got the "it" factor and has enjoyed a rapid ascension from TE coach to talented OC in the span of a few years. The article above covers it pretty well too. For me the big question of how successful he would be as a head coach is: Can he set the right tone, or is he going to make players mad that they have to take orders from a coach younger than them? If he commands respect of the entire locker room, there's no reason he can't be successful. Yes clearly he has room for improvement and could use some seasoning, but we only know that because we got a front row view to watch him as a playcaller. They might not necessarily find faults with him like we did. And it only takes one to like him enough.

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According to a Mike Silver source, McVay crushed both 49ers and Rams interviews, he's likely gone. I would consider Mike McCoy as our mext OC.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162300]According to a Mike Silver source, McVay crushed both 49ers and Rams interviews, he's likely gone. I would consider Mike McCoy as our mext OC.[/quote]

Out of all the names I could think of, McCoy wouldn't be the worst. He won't have Peyton at qb like he did his last season with the Broncos, but I remember he worked his magic with Orton/Tebow at qb before then. With our luck we'll end up with the Lions 2008 offensive coordinator though lol.

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[quote=mooby;1162301]Out of all the names I could think of, McCoy wouldn't be the worst. He won't have Peyton at qb like he did his last season with the Broncos, but I remember he worked his magic with Orton/Tebow at qb before then. With our luck we'll end up with the Lions 2008 offensive coordinator though lol.[/quote]

If Scott leaves, could Bill Callahan just step up and keep things as is? with maybe more creative run plays. He was a head coach and OC in past, and already knows our system. Or just have Gruden do it again, he's a 4th year coach who probably can handle it now..

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[quote=ethat001;1162302]If Scott leaves, could Bill Callahan just step up and keep things as is? with maybe more creative run plays. He was a head coach and OC in past, and already knows our system. Or just have Gruden do it again, he's a 4th year coach who probably can handle it now..[/quote]

I'm not sold on Gruden as a coach yet, I think the more responsibilities he can delegate the better. That's my fancy way of saying I don't want him calling plays. He just needs to focus on leading the squad. I ain't saying he's a bad coach just that he needs some more seasoning.

Also that's a side effect I didn't think of, I heart Bill Callahan and hope he never leaves. But that's a reality we might have to deal with if McVay walks.

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[quote=ethat001;1162302]If Scott leaves, could Bill Callahan just step up and keep things as is? with maybe more creative run plays. He was a head coach and OC in past, and already knows our system. Or just have Gruden do it again, he's a 4th year coach who probably can handle it now..[/quote]

I read somewhere that they would like to keep inhouse and that either Callahan or Cavanaugh would be considered.

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No idea if this could happen, but what about Wes being the OC and Wade DC?

Is Wes capable of that type of step?
Would it be enough of a bribe to get Wade here?
Do I need a tinfoil hat to make this happen?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1162328]No idea if this could happen, but what about Wes being the OC and Wade DC?

Is Wes capable of that type of step?
Would it be enough of a bribe to get Wade here?
[B]Do I need a tinfoil hat to make this happen?[/B][/quote]

I pick Door Number 3, Monty!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1162130]Because NFL decision makers are always right? Lol. [B]We hired a defensive coordinator that was part of a 0-16 team over Wade Phillips.[/B][/quote]

Some things may never be understood by mankind. Perhaps, thousands of years from now, archaeologists will unearth the ruins of Redskins Park and ... etc., etc.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1162300]According to a Mike Silver source, McVay crushed both 49ers and Rams interviews, he's likely gone. I would consider Mike McCoy as our mext OC.[/quote]

See if Norv would take another crack at it. Sounds crazy, but if we could land him who knows. With the weapons we have maybe we can party like it was 1999!!!