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Dallas won't let Garrett go he's Jerry's puppet. As for the giants I don't think Coughlin is getting fired either. He's won 2 rings there and he's still well respected

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[quote=Giantone;1135202]Nether of those two things are happening , maybe fans are saying stuff but the teams aren't .Pretty sure both are safe .[/quote]

pretty sure, but not very sure. I don't know man, personally I do not think TC should be fired based strictly on the two rings BUT - what Im hearing on the radio, tv up in these parts is that he wont be back. I don't listen to Giants fans that bash Eli and TC. Weve had that discussion already. Either way - whether he is canned or not - turmoil certainly works when talking about the Gints, Boys, or Birds rite now. Don't take it too hard remember - this is a Redskins site - we are very familiar with the word!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1135206][url=http://nypost.com/2015/12/30/john-maras-2016-plan-coughlin-likely-out-but-what-about-reese/]John Mara’s 2016 plan: Coughlin likely out but what about Reese? | New York Post[/url][/quote]

Reese should be the first to go...

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Jerry Jones has the built in excuse to keep Garrett, which is Romo's injury and re-injury. He likes Garrett as the coach if for no other reason then the fact that Garrett will simply go with anything Jones says/does.

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[quote=MTK;1135212]Tell me how the word doesn't fit.[/quote]

Cleveland is in turmoil ,Tennessee maybe ,the eagles without a question ,the Giants had a bad year and I think the coachs did a good job without alot of talent. Coughlin will be 70 easy to guess he might go soon,the link posted is a NY post opinion piece no facts.No one is going after each other are fans unhappy yes so what it's NY their are unhappy fans when they win so it is what it is .

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[quote=punch it in;1135216] Either way - whether he is canned or not - turmoil certainly works when talking about the Gints, Boys, or Birds rite now. Don't take it too hard remember - this is a Redskins site - we are very familiar with the word![/quote]


LOL , I realize what site I'm on and I appreciate it ,I just think the Giants are in a whole different(and better) situation then the Cowboys or the Eagles.

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I hope Jerry keeps Garrett -- I don't think the guy is a particularly effective coach. Not Rich Kotite bad, of course, but rather meh. Let Dallas build around that.

As for Coughlin, I have a ton of respect for him, and while his team didn't perform all that well, I think the personnel issues are the biggest problem, and that ought to be on Reese. Not getting help last offseason for a bad defense seemed really foolish -- put it this way, they started Brandon Merriweather and, later in the season, EJ Biggers in the secondary. So castoffs from our porous secondary last season were contributors for the NYG. Just really bad decision-making there. And not doing anything about the aging O-line, sagging running game. Coughlin really didn't have a lot to work with, other than ELi and Beckham, in my view. If Coughlin is fired or if he "retires," the Giants will have trouble replacing him with as good a coach and person.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1135222]LOL , I realize what site I'm on and I appreciate it ,I just think the Giants are in a whole different(and better) situation then the Cowboys or the Eagles.[/QUOTE]


Yeah. I think you are downplaying the way the Giants lost so many of their games this year though. Countless mind numbing decisions in the final minutes. That has too much to do with coaching to blame it all on personnel. Either way would you agree Reese has to go?

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[quote=Chico23231;1135163]the reason why Pot Roast and Goldson were targeted by McC was great locker room leadership and apparently that's been the case this year. Tarik El B Sure (skins beat reporter) said this morning...doesn't think the skins would be in playoffs with out those guys.[/quote]

I understand that, but say pot roast wants $20m a year? guess what? we'll move on. if they want their market value, they'll probably get it, and i agree that they've been good for us. but there's always a chance some other team goes nuts and offers a contract like the bills did for derrick dockery and well... matching that kind of offer isn't something good GMs do.

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I hope the giant can coughlin and keep reese, there's a 90% the next HC is worse than him.

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[quote=That Guy;1135232]I understand that, but say pot roast wants $20m a year? guess what? we'll move on. if they want their market value, they'll probably get it, and i agree that they've been good for us. but there's always a chance some other team goes nuts and offers a contract like the bills did for derrick dockery and well... matching that kind of offer isn't something good GMs do.[/quote]

I really don't think Pot roast wants 20 per...he's seems reasonable and got a best friend Chris Baker on the team.

This is a great source for contracts

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/defensive-tackle/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]

This year Pot Roast is the 18th highest paid DT/NT in the league...reasonable. McC told him if he shows results he will pay him...this year started slow, but he has been great the second half of the year. I def think add a weight clause, work out bonus and game/snap incentive could be smart, but I don't think a massive salary bump is coming...but if we gave him a raise to 6.0 to 6.5 million per on a 2-3 year deal it works in our favor. NT/DT are really hard to find

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[quote=Giantone;1135222]LOL , I realize what site I'm on and I appreciate it ,I just think the Giants are in a whole different(and better) situation then the Cowboys or the Eagles.[/quote]

Eagles, yes. Dallas, perhaps not.

Dallas has a better O-line, better D-line, comparable QB (Eli and Romo both can be dominant, and both can throw 4 picks on occasion), comparable WRs (although I would probably give the Giants the nod there as I think ODB is better than Dez), comparable RBs (neither team in great shape on that), and comparable on special teams (with Dallas getting the slight nod because their kicker is better). But given the importance of winning at the line of scrimmage, I would say Dallas has better personnel, and would be a better situation for a new coach (at least initially).

The GM situations are both bad. At least the NYG can improve there because the owner isn't also the GM.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1135235]I really don't think Pot roast wants 20 per...he's seems reasonable and got a best friend Chris Baker on the team.



This is a great source for contracts



[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/defensive-tackle/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]



This year Pot Roast is the 18th highest paid DT/NT in the league...reasonable. McC told him if he shows results he will pay him...this year started slow, but he has been great the second half of the year. I def think add a weight clause, work out bonus and game/snap incentive could be smart, but I don't think a massive salary bump is coming...but if we gave him a raise to 6.0 to 6.5 million per on a 2-3 year deal it works in our favor. NT/DT are really hard to find[/QUOTE]


I think people are overestimating the value of a 2 down player with Knighton. Where was the big $ offer for him last year? It never happened and he came here on a reasonable deal, which he will likely have to take again next year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1135235]I really don't think Pot roast wants 20 per...he's seems reasonable and got a best friend Chris Baker on the team.

This is a great source for contracts

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/defensive-tackle/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]

This year Pot Roast is the 18th highest paid DT/NT in the league...reasonable. McC told him if he shows results he will pay him...this year started slow, but he has been great the second half of the year. I def think add a weight clause, work out bonus and game/snap incentive could be smart, but I don't think a massive salary bump is coming...but if we gave him a raise to 6.0 to 6.5 million per on a 2-3 year deal it works in our favor. NT/DT are really hard to find[/quote]

again, i don't think he wants $20m either, i'm just saying there are also 31 other teams and if someone goes crazy, you can't just blankly say "we've got to pay him no matter what." he's been alright, but not balls off amazing, and this is in a contract year.

as far as his value for next year, i don't know who else is available yet, and that affects the price, as well as what he's asking for. If someone offers him too much (beyond what is reasonable to match) then we move on, if not, then we tender an offer. it's hard to say anyone that isn't under contract is "definitely" going to be back, cause things happen.

I would like him back, and i would like goldson back, but if goldson refuses to come back for less than the $8m base salary on the books for 2016, then it's probably time to look elsewhere. overpaying any player now hurts your ability to keep good players later. guys like djax and cousins are going to need money, and frankly, they're more important.

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[quote=punch it in;1135225] Either way would you agree Reese has to go?[/quote]


Yes, I said it weeks ago.

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[quote=MTK;1135239]I think people are overestimating the value of a 2 down player with Knighton. Where was the big $ offer for him last year? It never happened and he came here on a reasonable deal, which he will likely have to take again next year.[/quote]

Totally agree.

He's a 2 down player in defensive theory and in reality. Even if they get 10 yards on 2nd down he has to come out because he is so winded.

TK is an awesome leader, great influence in the locker room. I don't want to see him go, but have been kinda miffed at him all year over his weight and conditioning.

The dude could be a force if he would control his diet a little more.

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[quote=That Guy;1135233]I hope the giant can coughlin and keep reese, there's a 90% the next HC is worse than him.[/quote]



For years there has been the rumor that the only job Bill Cowher would come out of retirement for is the Giants so who knows

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It's been nine years since Cowher coached a game.

... just saying.

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One name that some teams may consider for coaching if not this year, most likely next year.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/coaches/Sean-McVay/3e1db11f-b068-4058-bcb6-bb181fc16f87]Washington Redskins: Sean McVay[/url]

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[IMG]http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/30/3f38cc6251f3380068f6da2835c50a6e.jpg[/IMG]

Not that rankings matter, but I enjoyed this.

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[quote=MTK;1134936]It makes zero sense to play him. It's not going to happen.[/quote]

What makes zero sense is getting either Cousins or McCoy hurt and going into the playoffs with Rob as our primary backup.

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[quote=FRPLG;1135297]What makes zero sense is getting either Cousins or McCoy hurt and going into the playoffs with Rob as our primary backup.[/quote]

Having that injury guarantee kick in because of a meaningless week 17 game would be a horrible decision. The decision to not let him touch the field was made long ago, can't see that changing now.

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[quote=MTK;1135300]Having that injury guarantee kick in because of a meaningless week 17 game would be a horrible decision. The decision to not let him touch the field was made long ago, can't see that changing now.[/quote]

Somehow, I believe in my heart that if RGIII saw the field he would surely suffer a serious injury, costing the Skins $16MM in cap space. I don't mean he'd do it on purpose, either. That's just how snake-bit we've been for two decades.

Is worrying about both Kirk and Colt getting hurt just a symptom of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome caused by decades of being a Redskins fan? Could be, could be...

Wife: "Wake up, wake up! You were having a nightmare, thrashing about and shouting 'Sixteen fucking million dollars in cap space down the drain!'."

Husband: "It was horrible! I was back in Fedex Field and..."

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[quote=FRPLG;1135297]What makes zero sense is getting either Cousins or McCoy hurt and going into the playoffs with Rob as our primary backup.[/quote]I firmly believe in the you play to win the game adage. The Patriots, Giants, Seahawks (along with many others) all play their starters in the final games of the season when they are in the playoff hunt.

In the highly unlikely event that Cousins or McCoy are injured in week 17 I'm sure Scott has a good handle on practice squad QB they'll sign to the roster to be the back-up. It doesn't make sense to make it this far then suddenly decide to roll the dice on 16 mil.

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I think the starters who are healthy should at least go out and play a half of football. Let them get some real time reps to keep them fresh but there's no reason they need to play all four quarters especially if the game turns into one of your typical NFC East rivalry games where things tend to get chippy.

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Even with the playoffs locked up in week 16 I still have to stress out about week 17. Lol.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/12/31/10693388/cbss-mikey-carey-shows-hypocricy-working-redskins-vs-eagles-game]CBS's Mike Carey Shows Hypocricy Working Redskins vs. Eagles Game - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1135324][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/12/31/10693388/cbss-mikey-carey-shows-hypocricy-working-redskins-vs-eagles-game]CBS's Mike Carey Shows Hypocricy Working Redskins vs. Eagles Game - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

"It was really satisfying to watch Carey say that there was no doubt the Eagles Zach Ertze's fumble would definitely be overturned, maybe it was more of his feelings than his head talking. The play was confirmed and Mr. Carey was dead wrong and silenced for the rest of the broadcast after that."

Carey is terrible at his job, and its no great secret:


[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/mike-carey-cbs-always-wrong-officiating-expert-why-is]Why is Mike Carey so horribly bad at analyzing replay challenges on CBS? | For The Win[/url]

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mason-Foster-Repaying-Team-That-Gave-Him-A-Chance/bdeaf19b-f113-45e0-b9a0-9b71d99a81ab?sf17876756=1]Mason Foster Repaying Team That Gave Him A Chance[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1135340][url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mason-Foster-Repaying-Team-That-Gave-Him-A-Chance/bdeaf19b-f113-45e0-b9a0-9b71d99a81ab?sf17876756=1]Mason Foster Repaying Team That Gave Him A Chance[/url][/quote]

He has come on strong since receiving the starting job....its not farfetched to think that both Robinson and Riley will be elsewhere next season due to the amazing contributions of Foster and Compton.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1135353]He has come on strong since receiving the starting job....its not farfetched to think that both Robinson and Riley will be elsewhere next season due to the amazing contributions of Foster and Compton.[/quote]

I would really like to hear definitively what's going on with Keenan Robinson.

I just don't buy injury as the entire reason for he playing time being so low.

He has been playing in spots. If he was injured he wouldn't be coming in as a sub.

I get the feeling he won't be here next year.

Something else is up.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1135358]I would really like to hear definitively what's going on with Keenan Robinson.

I just don't buy injury as the entire reason for he playing time being so low.

He has been playing in spots. If he was injured he wouldn't be coming in as a sub.

I get the feeling he won't be here next year.

Something else is up.[/quote]

best player plays?

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^ Yup.

Robinson missed a ton of tackles early in the season, pretty sure that's a big reason why he's on the bench.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1135340][url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Mason-Foster-Repaying-Team-That-Gave-Him-A-Chance/bdeaf19b-f113-45e0-b9a0-9b71d99a81ab?sf17876756=1]Mason Foster Repaying Team That Gave Him A Chance[/url][/quote]


[B]“I was on the street, got cut, and I just want to play as hard as I can to let Scot [McCloughan], let Gruden, everyone else know on the Redskins that they didn’t make a mistake by picking me up,” Foster said. “I was going to do whatever they wanted me to do. I’m just blessed to be a part of this team, and I’m going to do whatever they want me to do and play my role to the hardest to help this team win.”[/B]

........nice
love that attitude

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[quote=MTK;1135369]^ Yup.

Robinson missed a ton of tackles early in the season, pretty sure that's a big reason why he's on the bench.[/quote]

I get that he missed some tackels early and all...I read some of those articles. But he didn't miss those same tackles last year (or the year before if I recall correctly).

So...did he miss those tackles because he was trying to gut it out?

None of the coaches are talking about that, yet he's playing with some type of "bionic" brace on now-a-days.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1135369]^ Yup.



Robinson missed a ton of tackles early in the season, pretty sure that's a big reason why he's on the bench.[/QUOTE]


He was horrible early on.

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Keenan didn't look like himself since early in the season.
He looked to me like a guy trying to play through an injury, he wasn't making routine plays the Keenan from last year made.

I also wondered if the scheme change to 1-gap, was effecting him because he was taking on more blocks?
But I didn't get all-22 this year...

But Compton is playing well, looks like a better athlete that many thought

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[quote=30gut;1135384]Keenan didn't look like himself since early in the season.
He looked to me like a guy trying to play through an injury, he wasn't making routine plays the Keenan from last year made.

I also wondered if the scheme change to 1-gap, was effecting him because he was taking on more blocks?
But I didn't get all-22 this year...

But Compton is playing well, looks like a better athlete that many thought[/quote]

At one time he was projected to be London Fletcher's long term replacement.....that doesn't appear to be the case anymore.

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Compton is a stud, he's way better than he appeared to be at first

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[quote=30gut;1135384]But Compton is playing well, looks like a better athlete that many thought[/quote]

Maybe. I think he is the worst athlete in the ILB corps but makes up for a ton with instinct, smarts and anticipation.

He is willing, he just lacks the physical tools to be awesome. That being said, I agree, he is a pleasant surprise.