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[quote=Giantone;1133793]As I said before it's the right punishment.[/quote]

You were right about Norman, too. He started the whole thing by planting Beckham after the play (right in front of an official who ignored it). He should be fined.

I think the officials should be censured, as well, for letting the whole thing get out of hand.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1133815]2005 Seattle beats us aka the Carlos Rogers fail game
2007 Seattle beats us aka the Laron Landry 2 int game
[B]2012 Seattle beats us aka the Robert Griffin knee game[/B]
2015 ?????????[/quote]

What I hate about this game, in addition of it being the end of RG3, is that we were stomping them.

However, if we end up in the playoffs and playing against Seattle, I hope this becomes a bit of a redemption game for Cousins. Since I believe he took over after RG3 went down and wasn't able to do much.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1133844]What I hate about this game, in addition of it being the end of RG3, is that we were stomping them.



However, if we end up in the playoffs and playing against Seattle, I hope this becomes a bit of a redemption game for Cousins. Since I believe he took over after RG3 went down and wasn't able to do much.[/QUOTE]


Bought him in waaaay to late

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[QUOTE=J. Falcon;1133824]That was back in 1999. We made it a whopping 3 more times since.[/QUOTE]
Yeah u r right I forgot we made it with brunell

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1133827]You were right about Norman, too. He started the whole thing by planting Beckham after the play (right in front of an official who ignored it). He should be fined.

I think the officials should be censured, as well, for letting the whole thing get out of hand.[/quote]

There was an official who watched the 2 players going at it, walked up and separated them. No flags, no ejections. He should be fired now.


Maybe not, but I am really sick of the officiating this year.

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That Tampa playoff loss hurt so bad. I remember I worked weekends at that time in my life and I took a 3 hour lunch "break" in the back of our building to watch the game in a well hidden break room most folks never used. Flubbing a FG and then when we made Shaun King fumble but the ball rolled right to Warrick Dunn who ran for a first down.

Ugh.....

It just seems like our last 4 playoff appearances there has been something in our own power that changed the game for the opponent and it had little to do with them. Our team fell apart every time.

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1133856]That Tampa playoff loss hurt so bad. I remember I worked weekends at that time in my life and I took a 3 hour lunch "break" in the back of our building to watch the game in a well hidden break room most folks never used. Flubbing a FG and then when we made Shaun King fumble but the ball rolled right to Warrick Dunn who ran for a first down.



Ugh.....



It just seems like our last 4 playoff appearances there has been something in our own power that changed the game for the opponent and it had little to do with them. Our team fell apart every time.[/QUOTE]


To make it worse Tampa barely lost to the Rams. We had a real shot that year. Still hurts for sure.

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So if you had a choice between Carr, luck and Bortles who do you take? (Getting away from kirk for a moment) I think I take derek carr

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[QUOTE=NoCalHail;1133856]That Tampa playoff loss hurt so bad. I remember I worked weekends at that time in my life and I took a 3 hour lunch "break" in the back of our building to watch the game in a well hidden break room most folks never used. Flubbing a FG and then when we made Shaun King fumble but the ball rolled right to Warrick Dunn who ran for a first down.

Ugh.....

It just seems like our last 4 playoff appearances there has been something in our own power that changed the game for the opponent and it had little to do with them. Our team fell apart every time.[/QUOTE]
I was about 12 or 13 years old then and I remember that game like it was yesterday. I'm. now 29 in a week.

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[quote=punch it in;1133772]Apparently the bat on the sideline has been done before by panthers n other teams.[/quote]

[url]https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/679399281233690625[/url]

i dont have a big problem with a bat being brought onto the field as some motivational whatever .... but come on man. you cant have some non-dressed panther player acting like a douche walking around with it trying to talk trash.

this same dude was standing around w the bat when the giants came out of the tunnel for warm ups trying to get "noticed" by the giants players.

bringing a bat onto the field was just a dumb idea. to allow some random non-dressed dude to walk around looking for any reason to start something w giants players was real dumb.

do that shit w trent and he'd break that bat off in that panthers players ear hole.

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Why did no other team the panthers played make an issue about the bat?

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1133908]Why did no other team the panthers played make an issue about the bat?[/QUOTE]


Because ODB is the biggest bitch in the NFL and he plays for a bitch ass team.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1133908]Why did no other team the panthers played make an issue about the bat?[/quote]

Bc no panthers player acted antagonistic with it in his hand until now?

A bored, non-dressed player sauntering around the field carrying a bat and making sure he stays as close and visible to opposing team players as possible and then when words are exchanged and the non-dressed player walking towards the dressed player ..... just isnt a good look.

the non-dressed guy seemed like he was just looking for a reaction so he could ramp it up.

non-dressed panther player - you look like an idiot, you do not look tough, go home.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1133942]Bc no panthers player acted antagonistic with it in his hand until now?



A bored, non-dressed player sauntering around the field carrying a bat and making sure he stays as close and visible to opposing team players as possible and then when words are exchanged and the non-dressed player walking towards the dressed player ..... just isnt a good look.



the non-dressed guy seemed like he was just looking for a reaction so he could ramp it up.



non-dressed panther player - you look like an idiot, you do not look tough, go home.[/QUOTE]


So ODB was actually worried he was going to get hit with the bat???? MLB has bats all over the place. Who cares if someone points it at someone else? ODB tried to severely injure another player. He is lucky he didnt paralyze the guy. And ur defense is because someone taunted him with a bat out of uniform??? No. Just no.

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[quote=punch it in;1133944]So ODB was actually worried he was going to get hit with the bat???? MLB has bats all over the place. Who cares if someone points it at someone else? ODB tried to severely injure another player. He is lucky he didnt paralyze the guy. And ur defense is because someone taunted him with a bat out of uniform??? No. Just no.[/quote]

Weak excuse, "I'm afraid I'm to get hit by a bat". What are the panthers? Caveman? BS excuse!!

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[quote=punch it in;1133944]So ODB was actually worried he was going to get hit with the bat???? MLB has bats all over the place. Who cares if someone points it at someone else? ODB tried to severely injure another player. He is lucky he didnt paralyze the guy. And ur defense is because someone taunted him with a bat out of uniform??? No. Just no.[/quote]

I never mentioned ODB or said it was an excuse for anything. ODB was a jerk sunday and deserved at least a 1 game fine.

My post was exclusively about how it was just a matter of time until a non-dressed player carrying a bat around and trying to get noticed by the other team would start something.

Also, its not about whether ODB realistically thought he was going to get hit by a bat.

its just a very dumb look to walk around with a bat trying to get noticed by the other team.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1133948]I never mentioned ODB or said it was an excuse for anything. ODB was a jerk sunday and deserved at least a 1 game fine.



My post was exclusively about how it was just a matter of time until a non-dressed player carrying a bat around and trying to get noticed by the other team would start something.



Also, its not about whether ODB realistically thought he was going to get hit by a bat.



its just a very dumb look to walk around with a bat trying to get noticed by the other team.[/QUOTE]


Totally agree its a dumb look, but its just that ... A look. Ur reply to the original question about why no team ever reacted was because the out of uniform player was "antagonistic" which would imply ODB (whether mentioned by name or not he is obviously the star witness ) was in fear that the player was going to use the bat. Of course its not about whether ODB thought he was going to get hit because he knew damn well he was not. So , what, ODB can just be a cheap dirty bitch because he did not like the look? Come on. Yea its a bad look. Dont want my team looking like thugs, but ODB's actions were in no way reasonable. Nor are the Giants organizations excuses for ODB because of the "look".

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So what's up with this ODB gay stuff? Apparently players around the league say he's gay.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1133951]So what's up with this ODB gay stuff? Apparently players around the league say he's gay.[/QUOTE]


Who cares. Just dont be a cheap dirty distraction to ur team

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[quote=punch it in;1133953]Who cares. Just dont be a cheap dirty distraction to ur team[/quote]

Exactly , and Norman was .

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1133951]So what's up with this ODB gay stuff? Apparently players around the league say he's gay.[/quote]

Maybe he likes guys?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1133956]Exactly , and Norman was .[/QUOTE]


Nobody is giving Norman a pass, but ODB crossed the llne. Not to mention it is becoming habit forming.

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[quote=punch it in;1133958]Nobody is giving Norman a pass, but ODB crossed the llne. Not to mention it is becoming habit forming.[/quote]

ODB fucked up ,he will pay the penalty but you're giving Norman a pass.You more than anyone else would be crying their eyes out had any DB done any of that shit to DeSean and please don't try to sell me that he wouldn't go off becuase we both know that is BS!
I'm not making excuses he needed to be kick out right there and then so maybe you should vent your frustration on the whole and not just one part of what happen in another teams game,like the refs and like Norman.Let's not kid ourselves here you don't give a hoot about crossing the line unless it benefits you ."Habit forming"............BS.

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[quote=Chico23231;1133957]Maybe he likes guys?[/quote]


LOL , and ? He wouldn't be the first ,would he?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1133959]ODB fucked up ,he will pay the penalty but you're giving Norman a pass.You more than anyone else would be crying their eyes out had any DB done any of that shit to DeSean and please don't try to sell me that he wouldn't go off becuase we both know that is BS!

I'm not making excuses he needed to be kick out right there and then so maybe you should vent your frustration on the whole and not just one part of what happen in another teams game,like the refs and like Norman.Let's not kid ourselves here you don't give a hoot about crossing the line unless it benefits you ."Habit forming"............BS.[/QUOTE]


Woooooah Tiger....u need to go back to the dallas gameday thread. If you did you would know that I wanted DJax cut immediately after the Dallas game and wouldn't shut the hell up about it. I am faaaar from DJax biggest fan, and if he took a running start and launched himself at a defenseless players head I would call him a dirty little bitch just like ODB.
I already said IM NOT GIVING NORMAN A PASS. nor the refs - we all know how terrible they are. BUT ODB crossed the effin line and deserves to be called out above all others. If you dont see that than u r just blinded by ur big blue love affair - and u never struck me as a giant homer type before.
Edit - its BS the habit forming part? Really? ODB hasnt even been in the league two years and ESPN can already do a five minute segment on the issues he has had. Again though , turn a blind eye to the fact that your best player has a fucking behavioral disorder. Is he the only one? No. But he is certainly the hot topic this week so lets not act like my comments are out of no where. Lol. Is he a god damned great wr? Absolutely. Will this shit hurt or help his career? You know the answer to that.

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[quote=over the mountain;1133942]Bc no panthers player acted antagonistic with it in his hand until now?

A bored, non-dressed player sauntering around the field carrying a bat and making sure he stays as close and visible to opposing team players as possible and then when words are exchanged and the non-dressed player walking towards the dressed player ..... just isnt a good look.

the non-dressed guy seemed like he was just looking for a reaction so he could ramp it up.

non-dressed panther player - you look like an idiot, you do not look tough, go home.[/quote][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/panthers-had-black-baseball-bats-on-sidelines-that-may-have-caused-odell-beckham-to-go-ballistic-2015-12]Panthers had baseball bats on sidelines that may have caused Odell Beckham to go ballistic - Business Insider[/url]

As this and many other articles mention: The Panthers have been bringing out bats for awhile. They aren't the only team to do it, either.

Sooo, no other valid answer other than what punch said?

[quote=punch it in;1133913]Because ODB is the biggest bitch in the NFL and he plays for a bitch ass team.[/quote]

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[quote=HailGreen28;1133964][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/panthers-had-black-baseball-bats-on-sidelines-that-may-have-caused-odell-beckham-to-go-ballistic-2015-12]Panthers had baseball bats on sidelines that may have caused Odell Beckham to go ballistic - Business Insider[/url]

As this and many other articles mention: The Panthers have been bringing out bats for awhile. They aren't the only team to do it, either.

Sooo, no other valid answer other than what punch said?[/quote]

i really dont care about this .... but there is a big difference btw bringing a bat onto the field vs player with bat talking shit and walking up to opponent with bat in hand.

not a big deal imo, i got no dog in this fight but .. what that undressed panther player did was not cool and id be pretty pissed if he tried that crap with the skins.

so please show me the other instances where an opposing player talked shit and walked up to another player w bat in hand.

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[quote=punch it in;1133958]Nobody is giving Norman a pass, but ODB crossed the llne. Not to mention it is becoming habit forming.[/quote]

Both players took it too far....Beckum hit Norman with a low blow to his head using his helmet... so what.... Norman started it....Beckum finished it....both players were fined.... and everything is right with the world.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1133971]Both players took it too far....Beckum hit Norman with a low blow to his head using his helmet... so what.... Norman started it....Beckum finished it....both players were fined.... and everything is right with the world.[/QUOTE]


Actually ODB was suspended for his bitch ass move.

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[quote=punch it in;1133974]Actually ODB was suspended for his bitch ass move.[/quote]

AS well as he should have ,the NFL had to and they did do the right thing but again the refs aren't getting enough of the blame and nether is Norman for the knee to ODB head .Really the black baseball bat is a punk move and I'll bet some good beer it won't be done this week.

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Maybe Giantone can answer this: if the Giants lose to the Vikings (seems more likely now with ODB out), are they out of contention for the playoffs? In other words, does it come down to the winner of Saturday's game? I think that's right.

If true, and if we lose Saturday and the Giants beat the Eagles the following week after losing a close one to the Vikings, ODB's antics could have cost a playoff spot.

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[quote=over the mountain;1133969]i really dont care about this .... but there is a big difference btw bringing a bat onto the field vs player with bat talking shit and walking up to opponent with bat in hand.

not a big deal imo, i got no dog in this fight but .. what that undressed panther player did was not cool and id be pretty pissed if he tried that crap with the skins.

so please show me the other instances where an opposing player talked shit and walked up to another player w bat in hand.[/quote]How about QDB talking trash and taking off his helmet during the exchange you described? Does ODB look threatened to you? The guy with the bat didn't brandish anything any more than ODB did with his helmet.

ODB has acted out against our own CB Breeeland, against other teams, and now trying to spear Norman. He is a childish thuggish lowlife.

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[IMG]https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/cam-newton-nods-after-odell-beckham-td-catch.gif?w=1000[/IMG]
Beckham instigates against his opponents, then throws his hand out like he's innocent.
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But waaaah, the panthers brought bats on the field and might have called Beckham names.

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OBJ had a bad day, he let them get under his skin, he was out of line no doubt, but he's not the first guy to have this happen to.

Norman and co. have to share some blame too. So do the refs for not taking control early on.

Either way it's not wise to make blanket statements about the guy's character. If he was our guy the opinions here would be 180 degrees in the other direction.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1133980]OBJ had a bad day, he let them get under his skin, he was out of line no doubt, but he's not the first guy to have this happen to.



Norman and co. have to share some blame too. So do the refs for not taking control early on.



Either way it's not wise to make blanket statements about the guy's character. If he was our guy the opinions here would be 180 degrees in the other direction.[/QUOTE]


The guy has had character issues since he got in the league. Of course he is not the only one, but as I said before ODB happens to be the current topic. And if any member of the Redskins took a running cheap shot at a dudes head I would have the same exact opinion of him as I do ODB. This will not be the last time he is involved in shit like this. Ofcourse if he was a Skin I would still root for him and I do not expect Giants fans not to root for ODB. Cant speak for everyone but I swear that if a Redskin player did that i would feel the same way. No room for it. Big difference between wrestling, head slapping, trash talking and straight up trying to injure a guy.
Edit : the fact that Norman wasnt lookin just makes ODB more of a little bitch.
Edit 2: if that was some second rate player Coughlin would have sat him down, he would be cut, and Gints fans would be calling him a moron too.

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Thanks to Richard Sherman we have diva CB to match up with diva WR. Odb and Norman need to grow up a little bit...no problem with a chippy competition, best against the best, but they took it too far. Poor fucking example to the young fans, but I really don't expect much these days.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1133975]AS well as he should have ,the NFL had to and they did do the right thing but again the refs aren't getting enough of the blame and nether is Norman for the knee to ODB head .Really the black baseball bat is a punk move and I'll bet some good beer it won't be done this week.[/QUOTE]


No doubt. Refs are 100% to blame for not stopping it earlier. But we already know they are a freaking joke on a weekly basis.

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[quote=Chico23231;1133982]Thanks to Richard Sherman we have diva CB to match up with diva WR. Odb and Norman need to grow up a little bit...no problem with a chippy competition, best against the best, but they took it too far. Poor fucking example to the young fans, but I really don't expect much these days.[/quote]

THIS in a nutshell!

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[quote=HailGreen28;1133977]How about QDB talking trash and taking off his helmet during the exchange you described?
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But waaaah, the panthers brought bats on the field and might have called Beckham names.[/quote]


Thank you , your own video's proved my point.If you can't grasp the ignorance of the baseball bat thing and some one else said other teams do it ...........is BS.The man was protecting himself when the refs wouldn't that I don't blame him for but to me there are other ways to do it.Trash talk is done by all team and especially DB's and receivers that's shit he must get use to but your own video's prove Norman was out to hurt Beckham and both should have gone.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1133991]Thank you , your own video's proved my point.If you can't grasp the ignorance of the baseball bat thing and some one else said other teams do it ...........is BS.The man was protecting himself when the refs wouldn't that I don't blame him for but to me there are other ways to do it.Trash talk is done by all team and especially DB's and receivers that's shit he must get use to but your own video's prove Norman was out to hurt Beckham and both should have gone.[/QUOTE]
In game both should have been ejected more than once. After the game the head to head spearing deseved its own suspension. Since the NFL powers at large can't go back in time the right thing is to suspend Beckham for the spear and fine Norman for the fights. In my opinion they got the after game sanctions correct.



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[quote=calia;1133976]Maybe Giantone can answer this: if the Giants lose to the Vikings (seems more likely now with ODB out), are they out of contention for the playoffs? In other words, does it come down to the winner of Saturday's game? I think that's right.

If true, and if we lose Saturday and the Giants beat the Eagles the following week after losing a close one to the Vikings, ODB's antics could have cost a playoff spot.[/quote]


OHHHHHHHHHH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!The Giants have blown what 5 games in the last 75 seconds of all those game.Eli blew the Dallas game opener so NO ODB did not coast the Giants jack crap! He doesn't play defense and all the Giants needed was a stop on that last drive and they win,same against New England and Dallas and the Falcons.You cut 75 seconds from those four game we win the east.Thing is we didn't and I blame our GM , NO LBers ,no TE no pass rush of any kind.I think Coughlin has done one of his better jobs with nothing.