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[quote=SBXVII;978758]Totally agree with Cousins value having gone up. What we should do is trade RG3 now that he's proven he can play for more 1st round picks then we gave up and start Cousins next year.[/quote]

Amazing, one start for Cousins and now it's trade RG3?

I'm sure he was saying that with MUCHO SARCASM.

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did you just say trade RG? lol

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[quote=Gtothearry;978776]I'm sure he was saying that with MUCHO SARCASM.[/quote]

haha im sure your right...

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Would it be possible (actually I mean 'likely'), does anyone think, that we could trade Kirk Cousins for potential high pick S Eric Reid out of LSU?

Too heavy on the wishful thinking?

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[quote=RedskinRat;983689]Would it be possible (actually I mean 'likely'), does anyone think, that we could trade Kirk Cousins for potential high pick S Eric Reid out of LSU?

Too heavy on the wishful thinking?[/quote]

He most likely goes in the first round, so not likely.

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[quote=RedskinRat;983689]Would it be possible (actually I mean 'likely'), does anyone think, that we could trade Kirk Cousins for potential high pick S Eric Reid out of LSU?

Too heavy on the [B]drinking[/B]?[/quote]


Fixed.


You aren't going to get very much for Cousins at this point. It would have to be a case where RGIII was out several games and Cousins came in and played lights out.

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i'm thinking something like cousins/jackson/alexander for champ bailey and 5 future 7th round picks

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Cousins has won two games for us, I think his value has gone way up.
I'm not ready to shop him but I think he's worth a second rounder right now.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;983709]Cousins has won two games for us, I think his value has gone way up.
I'm not ready to shop him but I think he's worth a second rounder right now.[/quote]

No way. Not even close to a 2nd rounder at this point. Matt Flynn did more than Cousins and he couldn't fetch anything as far as a trade goes.

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[quote=NC_Skins;983713]No way. Not even close to a 2nd rounder at this point. Matt Flynn did more than Cousins and he couldn't fetch anything as far as a trade goes.[/quote]but flynn was in the last year of his contract, cousins has 3 more [B](dirt cheap)[/B] years on his.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;983709]Cousins has won two games for us, I think his value has gone way up.
I'm not ready to shop him but I think he's worth a second rounder right now.[/quote]

I disagree. No one is going to give up a #2 for a QB for whom there is so little tape. Captain Kirk needs more mileage before he can fetch a high pick.

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[quote=NC_Skins;983694]Fixed.


You aren't going to get very much for Cousins at this point. It would have to be a case where RGIII was out several games and Cousins came in and played lights out.[/quote]

Looks like I picked the week to give up peyote.....

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I am just not seeing the need/rush to trade him for anything less than a mind blowing multi pick offer. I am talking H.Walker type offer. ... and before you start, I know no one would do so.

He is simply to valuable to us. A very good, dirt cheap back at the most important position on the field. We trade him, RGIII goes down and we turn to ... Rex? Can you say f'd up the A?

A starting safety (Reid) for someone who may be one of the top 2 or 3 No.2 QB's in the league? No thanks - not unless we are talking about the second coming of S.Taylor. Given the style of play of our starting QB, having someone like Cousins is a must.

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Im not buying that Kirk cant fetch a 2nd. Lets not forget he went as a 4th round pick with the Skins with (((ZERO))) NFL tape. Kirk then came into a hot game, cold of the bench and lit it up! I think teams like the Jets (who have both a 1st and 2nd available) would be willing to give a 2nd for a QB that has obvious potential as a starter in the NFL over what they can grab in the draft. Unless they are willing to gamble with Sanchez...

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He signed a 3 year deal right. Hold him for 2 1/2 years then look to trade him. You want to get rid of someone lets get rid of RG1 and pick up an undrafted QB to help develope.

Unless Andy Reid and the Chiefs offer an extremely high draft pick, but I can tell you they won't offer their #1 pick this year. I might bite if they offered a 2nd this year and a 3rd the year after. Again I doubt that happens.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;983739]
A starting safety (Reid) for someone who may be one of the top 2 or 3 No.2 QB's in the league? No thanks - not unless we are talking about the second coming of S.Taylor. [/quote]

Watch some of Reid's highlights, he reminds me of ST, to a lesser degree.

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[quote=SBXVII;983741]He signed a 3 year deal right. Hold him for 2 1/2 years then look to trade him. You want to get rid of someone lets get rid of RG1 and pick up an undrafted QB to help develope.

Unless Andy Reid and the Chiefs offer an extremely high draft pick, but I can tell you they won't offer their #1 pick this year. I might bite if they offered a 2nd this year and a 3rd the year after. Again I doubt that happens.[/quote]

This post makes good sense. My post was hypothetically speaking, if we were to trade him. Cousins is excellent backup insurance and very inexpensive to keep at this point.

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[quote=SBXVII;983741][B]He signed a 3 year deal right.[/B] Hold him for 2 1/2 years then look to trade him. You want to get rid of someone lets get rid of RG1 and pick up an undrafted QB to help develope.

Unless Andy Reid and the Chiefs offer an extremely high draft pick, but I can tell you they won't offer their #1 pick this year. I might bite if they offered a 2nd this year and a 3rd the year after. Again I doubt that happens.[/quote]

Rookies contracts are now 4 years. Cousins has 3 more years after this year left on his rookie contract (Same as RG3).

I agree on holding onto him for at least another year if not longer.

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I say pick another QB for value if they are the highest player on the board. I like that strategy.

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[quote=44ever;983740]Im not buying that Kirk cant fetch a 2nd. Lets not forget he went as a 4th round pick with the Skins with (((ZERO))) NFL tape. Kirk then came into a hot game, cold of the bench and lit it up! I think teams like the Jets (who have both a 1st and 2nd available) would be willing to give a 2nd for a QB that has obvious potential as a starter in the NFL over what they can grab in the draft. Unless they are willing to gamble with Sanchez...[/quote]

He also came in cold off the bench and threw two crucial INTs down the stretch against Atlanta, which was probably the difference in the game.

Keep him, grow him and maintain a solid #1 and #2 for a few years at least...

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[quote=RedskinRat;983689]Would it be possible (actually I mean 'likely'), does anyone think, that we could trade Kirk Cousins for potential high pick S Eric Reid out of LSU?

Too heavy on the wishful thinking?[/quote]

I would just love to get 2 2nds for him. I don't care what safety we get anyone is better than Williams.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;983847]He also came in cold off the bench and threw two crucial INTs down the stretch against Atlanta, which was probably the difference in the game.

Keep him, grow him and maintain a solid #1 and #2 for a few years at least...[/quote]

KC is a solid back up and very affordable due to the new CBA if we attempt to trade him we would have to pay a veteran back up likely more than we are currently paying KC. Some people forget we still have an 18 million entanglement next year. I don't think we can afford to pay a more expensive less quality back up.

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Any thoughts of trading KC now should pretty much be tossed aside unless a Hershel Walker type deal is offered. Given Griffin's injury and style of play, KC is just about the second most valuable guy on the roster and certainly in the top 10.

Draft KC's replacement this year and again next year if we must [I]then[/I] trade him.

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Concussion, possible torn whatever, couldnt finish a couple games, knee brace. We better not trade Cousins, but develop him intensely.

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At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might [I]need [/I]Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.

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Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

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[quote=Mattyk;985446]Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.[/quote]

The future back up of course. Having a strong back up QB has been a need for us since Todd Cocktail Collins and is an essential these days. Look at the Vikings Saturday night. I guarentee in the offseason they will be looking for an experienced back up.

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How about we develop Griffin into a pocket passer. Get rid of the option. Make him into a clone of Aaron Rogers. Just like he was at Baylor and he showed great potential in his ability to make throws from the pocket or on bootlegs.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985445]At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might [I]need [/I]Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.[/quote]

So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured and risk losing his job? Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith. It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured. Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out.

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

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[quote=donofriose;985453]So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured [B]and risk losing his job? [/B]Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith.[/quote]

LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.

[quote=][B]It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured.[/B] Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out. [/quote]

This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;985471]Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...[/quote]

Trading Cousins is off the table as long as our QB continues to display poor decisions when he decides to run. (out of bounds/sliding) He isn't going to last.

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[quote=GTripp0012;985471]Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...[/quote]

At this point, I dont think there is an offer that a team would actually make that would be worth accepting. RGIII only started (and finished) 13 of 17 games this year. Without Cousins, we probably don't win the baltimore and cleaveland games and arent in the playoffs. Good quarterbacks are very hard to find. We cant count on finding one late in the draft - that would likely leave us with someone like Joe Webb or John Beck or Rex Grossman at quarterback.... its not a situation we want to be in.

Right now, Cousins is more valueable to this team than anything another team would offer us in a trade. If RGIII makes it through the next two seasons without missing any time, then i consider moving Cousins, but not before then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985478]LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.



This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.[/quote]

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

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[quote=donofriose;985491]Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.[/quote]

Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;985503]Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.[/quote]

I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.

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[quote=donofriose;985508]I agree with that, but I am just saying I am sure Bledsoe thought his job was guaranteed coming into that season.[/quote]

haha you right, he did.

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[quote=GTripp0012;985471]Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...[/quote]

Trade Kirk for two 2nd-rounders, use one on a QB...profit!


Honestly, I'd prefer to keep Cousins. He's proven that he can be effective and we NEED a capable backup just in case anything happens to RGIII, which is likely.

Hopefully Griffin won't have Vick's games played record, averaging about 12 games a year, but if he does get beat up that much, Kirk can help carry us.

I'm hopeful that because Griffin's passing abilities are worlds better than Vick's ever were, he won't have to rely on his legs as much as Vick and will last longer.

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[quote=donofriose;985491]Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.[/quote]

What i'm saying is comparing RGIII, a rookie a team traded up in the draft to get, to an injured veteran NFL player fending of a talented young guy is completed stupid. Its apples and oranges. More like apples and tennis shoes.

Alex Smith has never had job security because he's never played particularly well. He was told repeatedly he was the starter - all the while the team has been trying to acquire someone to replace him. Or did you forget about SF's pursuit of Peyton Manning?

You are right about one and only one thing - its the team's job to determine if a player is allowed to play or not - but the team's staff cant do that job if the player lies to them and is not forthcoming about how he feels. It doesnt matter how many trainers you have - they are incapeable of doing their job if the player does not cooperate.