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[quote=SFREDSKIN;932077][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/bears-announcer-suggests-redskins-might-have-a-qb-controversy/2012/08/19/4802180e-e9ef-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html]Bears announcer suggests Redskins might have a QB controversy - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]i was watching it online w preseason live, it was the bears broadcast. i didn't catch that line, he basically just said "people are gonna say that" and he's right. some slug already mentioned cousins starting over griff vs the colts - in this thread.

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[quote=iamsrk;932048]These are 2 independent statements. Matty K is agreeing that cousins will start and then, on a completely unrelated note, he is saying that he is against the bucs. I wonder what wrong the bucs did to him.[/quote]

I wish I knew which genius WPer thought you up, iamsrk. I think it's hilarious how you showed up as soon as SS mentioned the McCoy/Shipley rumor you started.

Whomever it is though, kudos to them.

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[quote=los panda;932078]i was watching it online w preseason live, it was the bears broadcast. i didn't catch that line, he basically just said "people are gonna say that" and he's right. some slug already mentioned cousins starting over griff vs the colts - in this thread.[/quote]

Jim Miller went to school and played at Mich. St. which explains preference for Cousins.

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[quote=iamsrk;932048]These are 2 independent statements. Matty K is agreeing that cousins will start and then, on a completely unrelated note, he is saying that he is against the bucs. I wonder what wrong the bucs did to him.[/quote]

How cool was it when the Mars Curiosity rover landed on your planet? Did you watch it live?

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[quote=los panda;932078]i was watching it online w preseason live, it was the bears broadcast. i didn't catch that line, he basically just said "people are gonna say that" and he's right. some slug already mentioned cousins starting over griff vs the colts - in this thread.[/quote]

Preach.

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I didn't see the game. I just watched some highlights. Griffin III has to learn not to hold on to the ball too long. If he doesn't see a spot anywhere to throw the ball, then he should scramble and get as much yardage as he can. Although he was sacked three times, he did complete 5 of 8 pass attempts.

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[quote=skinsfan69;931923]And I think that's a mistake that the coaches are making.[/quote]

Griffin has only attempted 14 passes this preseason.
Not only is that very low for rookie QBs, its low for veteran QBs.
Only Mike Vick, Jay Cutler and Alex Smith have thrown fewer passes, and Vick/Culter have only played 1 game.

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Are you counting sacks and scrambles in your total? If they sustained some drives, it would help their cause

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;932092]I didn't see the game. I just watched some highlights. Griffin III has to learn not to hold on to the ball too long. If he doesn't see a spot anywhere to throw the ball, then he should scramble and get as much yardage as he can. Although he was sacked three times, he did complete 5 of 8 pass attempts.[/quote]

Lol the highlights NFL Network was throwing out there were literally the 3 worst plays RG3 had all night.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-vs.-bears-game-review-offense/article/2505318]Redskins vs. Bears game review (offense) | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

IMO Good read.

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/08/need-to-know-why-isnt-rg3-passing-more.html]Need to Know: Why isn't RG3 passing more? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

[QUOTE]In two games, Griffin is a combined 10 for 14 passing. Last night alone, Andrew Luck attempted 25 passes last night against the Steelers and has 41 attempts in two games. Kirk Cousins has thrown 45 passes in two games, more than triple the starter’s pass attempts.

When you look at the pass-run play call ratio in the 39 snaps that Griffin has played (exclusing the one kneel down at the end of the half in Chicago), has been just about even. In addition to the 14 pass attempts, Griffin has been sacked three times and scrambled after dropping back twice or a total of 19 pass plays. That’s about a 51-49 run-pass, the balance you want when you are getting a young quarterback’s feet under him.

Also, Griffin and the Redskins offense could help themselves by sustaining some drives. Luck and the Colts ran 41 offensive plays in the first half last night because they had 13 first downs. Cousins and the Redkins racked up 18 first downs and ran 39 plays in the second half on Saturday.

[B]Not to worry, Redskins fans. At some point RG3 will get some drives going and people can get back to their old habits of complaining that Kyle Shanahan is too pass happy in his play calling[/B].[/QUOTE]

I like the little jab at the end lol

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I felt the only bad thing RGIII really did was try for extra yards on that scramble in the first quarter. Other than that, I felt he made some good decisions. He continues to go through his read progressions, and to buy time with his legs to extend plays. He's not just tucking the ball under and hitting the road.

As far as holding onto the ball too long? Well, actually watch the game before making that assumption. The offensive line was not protecting RGIII at all in that first quarter - Lance Briggs was having a field day out there. I felt considering the pressure Griffin had on him, he made some really good decisions. This will go a long ways for Griff...because I have a feeling this might be another year where the offensive line makes changes (due to injury) throughout the year.

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RG3 had a few misses. The pass to Paul was on him. He threw behind someone on a slant... and the fumble was on him too. The controversy thing is a little ridiculous at this point. Against Indy it would be good to see 25-30 passes.

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We really need to get Kory L and Chester back. Im not worried bout RG3, im twenty times more worried about the Oline

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[quote=skinsfan69;932116]RG3 had a few misses. The pass to Paul was on him. He threw behind someone on a slant... and the fumble was on him too. The controversy thing is a little ridiculous at this point. Against Indy it would be good to see 25-30 passes.[/quote]

The pass to Paul was off-target, but not so much that Paul couldn't have caught the pass. Not every pass is going to be dead perfect, so I put some blame on Paul on that one as well.

The fumble, I understand what happened and after looking at the replay of it, the defensive guy (was it Lance Briggs?) made a great play. Griff probably should have just tucked the ball in and scrambled, but it wasn't like he just dropped the ball - he was in the process of passing it.

The controversy thing was just a little joke that Chick Hernandez came up with...but I'm sure somebody will take it and run away with it.

I think RGIII will have a better game against Indy. He'll have at least two and half to three quarters to play, so I see him improving.

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[quote=Chico23231;932120]We really need to get Kory L and Chester back. Im not worried bout RG3, im twenty times more worried about the Oline[/quote]

Agreed! That is the biggest concern, because the first team OL was getting pushed around a lot in that first quarter.

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[quote=skinsguy;932122]Agreed! That is the biggest concern, because the first team OL was getting pushed around a lot in that first quarter.[/quote]

I hope the starters get a bit of playing time and that things will get better when all the starters play together.

After the Bears game, I really was wondering if the Bills d-line was playing very vanilla or if they are not as good as the Bears. Granted, the Bills game was the first game, but still...Peppers was unstoppable and the rest of the Bears d-line just seem to dominate our o-line.

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[quote=Mattyk;932113][url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/08/need-to-know-why-isnt-rg3-passing-more.html]Need to Know: Why isn't RG3 passing more? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]
...I like the little jab at the end lol[/quote]Some fans/media really bend over backwards to explain away even the most innocuous observations.

Of course if they extended some drives etc Griffin would have more pass attempts.
But, lets be truthful its preseason not an actual game no one is worried about scheme and pass-run ratio.
The Bills only ran the ball once in the 2st half because obviously they were working on different passing concepts.
That's what pre-season is for to work on stuff.

Tandler's post avoids the most obvious facts: the surest way to get Griffin more pass attempts?
Play him more snaps and in those snaps call more passes.
Like the Dolphins are doing with Tannehill, like the Colts are doing with Luck etc.

The jab at the end can't really be a jab because its a correct observation by the fans.
If your QB is Rex Grossman(turnover machine)/John Beck and the WRs corps lacks talent in the eyes of the coaches (hence Garcon,Morgan out Gaffney) how is a 60-40 pass-run ratio the same ratio of elite passing offenses justified?

I hate it when sports media pisses on my leg then tells me its raining.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;932023]Positives:

Cousins
Aldrick Robinson
2nd String OL
Kehl
Crawford
[B]How about some love for Brandon Banks?[/B]

Negatives:

1st string OL (only 2 regular starters)
Cedric Griffin (cut him now) [B]I second that emotion![/B]
RGIII (the OL didn't really help him)
D.Hall (Big mouth, cheapshot who can't tackle)
[B]Not only can't D.Hall tackle, but he won't do it! I'll never forget nor forgive his disgraceful avoidance of Rob Gronkowski. What the hell, cut him too. I wouldn't miss him, no matter what.[/B][/quote]

Comments above.

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[quote=skinsguy;932121]The pass to Paul was off-target, but not so much that Paul couldn't have caught the pass. Not every pass is going to be dead perfect, so I put some blame on Paul on that one as well.[/quote]

That pass was clearly on RGIII.

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[quote=Ruhskins;932123]I hope the starters get a bit of playing time and that things will get better when all the starters play together.[/quote]I agree.
But, it would be nice for Griffin to have some rhythm going into this game.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/fnfl/Top_Pickups/30310627#fnfl/Top_Pickups/30310627]Bold predictions for NFL season - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Just thought this was interesting since this guy says RGIII could be better than Manning.

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[quote=30gut;932125]Some fans/media really bend over backwards to explain away even the most innocuous observations.

Of course if they extended some drives etc Griffin would have more pass attempts.
But, lets be truthful its preseason not an actual game no one is worried about scheme and pass-run ratio.
The Bills only ran the ball once in the 2st half because obviously they were working on different passing concepts.
That's what pre-season is for to work on stuff.

Tandler's post avoids the most obvious facts: the surest way to get Griffin more pass attempts?
Play him more snaps and in those snaps call more passes.
Like the Dolphins are doing with Tannehill, like the Colts are doing with Luck etc.

The jab at the end can't really be a jab because its a correct observation by the fans.
If your QB is Rex Grossman(turnover machine)/John Beck and the WRs corps lacks talent in the eyes of the coaches (hence Garcon,Morgan out Gaffney) how is a 60-40 pass-run ratio the same ratio of elite passing offenses justified?

I hate it when sports media pisses on my leg then tells me its raining.[/quote]

I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.

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[quote=Mattyk;932134]I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.[/quote]Why does it seem that every observation that is critical or questioning but true is seemingly always meet with: chicken little or sky is falling?

Maybe, just maybe some fans are making actual objective football observations and seek a discussion of them?

Fan:Griffin only has 14 attempts other QBs have more
Response:Oh man, why are you saying the sky is falling? Quit being a chicken little.

^^Rinse, wash, repeat.

Maybe Griffin is so lights out in the closed practice sessions that the feel he doesn't need any more passing attempts then he's received?

Who knows?
But its a fact worth discussing and not dismissing.

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[quote=Mattyk;932134]I think it's worth pointing out that there's a little more to the story than it seems. You know, a little perspective to the constant sky is falling mantra from the fans.[/quote]

Also to note though exciting to see Banks run one back he snuffed out a chance for RGIII to a) have more attempts and b) run the two minute drill. In theory I guess they could have started RGIII at the start of the 3rd but what is the point his night was over. Saturday is his big test against a weak defense and at home; he should be able to shine.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;932129][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/fnfl/Top_Pickups/30310627#fnfl/Top_Pickups/30310627"]Bold predictions for NFL season - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

Just thought this was interesting since this guy says RGIII could be better than Manning.[/quote]

Why do some sites insist on doing videos?

Written text > Video's

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[quote=mredskins;932138]Why do some sites insist on doing videos?

Written text > Video's[/quote]

I know, I don't even bother. Especially when I have to watch a commercial first.

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[quote=30gut;932136]Why does it seem that every observation that is critical or questioning but true is seemingly always meet with: chicken little or sky is falling?

[B]Maybe, just maybe some fans are making actual objective football observations and seek a discussion of them?[/B]

Fan:Griffin only has 14 attempts other QBs have more
Response:Oh man, why are you saying the sky is falling? Quit being a chicken little.

^^Rinse, wash, repeat.

Maybe Griffin is so lights out in the closed practice sessions that the feel he doesn't need any more passing attempts then he's received?

Who knows?
But its a fact worth discussing and not dismissing.[/quote]

Isn't part of the discussion, bringing up some possible explanations as Tandler did? Isn't that what we're doing? You're the one that seems to be dismissive.

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[quote=Mattyk;932141]Isn't part of the discussion, bringing up some possible explanations as Tandler did? Isn't that what we're doing? You're the one that seems to be dismissive.[/quote]I don't intend to be dismissive, actually don't even see how I'm being dismissive.

but if this isn't dismissive then maybe I don't understand the word:
[quote]Not to worry, Redskins fans (1). At some point RG3 will get some drives going(2) and people can get back to their old habits of complaining that Kyle Shanahan is too pass happy in his play calling.(3)[/quote]
(1)Who is worrying?
(2) Duh? Tandler's explanation is patently obvious, which is dismissive in and of itself.
Of course if the first team offense could move the ball there would be more passing attempts.
(3) And yes based on the personnel Kyle was too pass happy with his playcalling.

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[quote=30gut;932148]I don't intend to be dismissive, actually don't even see how I'm being dismissive.

but if this isn't dismissive then maybe I don't understand the word:

(1)Who is worrying?
(2) Duh? Tandler's explanation is patently obvious, which is dismissive in and of itself.
Of course if the first team offense could move the ball there would be more passing attempts.
(3) And yes based on the personnel Kyle was too pass happy with his playcalling.[/quote]

I didn't offer up Tandler's explanation as the end all be all to the question of why RG3 doesn't have a lot of attempts, just threw it out there as part of the discussion. You seemed to be saying it wasn't even worth talking about.

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[quote=Mattyk;932150]...You seemed to be saying it wasn't even worth talking about.[/quote]Not my intention at all, I just strongly disagree with his explanation.
And after this I'll leave it; don't mean to side track the thread for which I apologize.

But directly to Tandler's statement about pass-run ratio here is Joe Philbin (who like I mentioned takes an approach that most teams take in regards to getting there QB especially non-veteran QB ready):

[quote]We’re still working through that Joe (Rose). [I][B]Part of the reason that our run-pass ratio is a little out of whack[/B][/I] is, if you look at the team and you look at the running back pool, we feel like we’ve got some guys that, a) we’ve got some established players who have had some success in this league, we also feel like we have some young players that have a chance to be very good there. Now we’re in a position at receiver where we don’t have as much information on those guys, we [I][B]don’t have as much quarterback information, so we’re throwing the ball more than we anticipate throwing in a quote unquote “normal game”.[/B][/I][/quote]

Read more here: [url=http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/08/joe-philbin-discusses-carolina-loss-upcoming-week.html#storylink=cpy]Joe Philbin discusses Carolina loss, upcoming week | Miami Dolphins In Depth[/url]

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I missed the game but it seems the O had an off night. Well I think in preseason an off night actually helps the team learn from the mistakes they made and can work on them.

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[quote=firstdown;932152]I missed the game but it seems the O had an off night.[/quote]

Everybody on the first team offense and defense had a off night. Defense was just a crappy.

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Why havent we cut Cedric Griffin yet?

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Eh, I thought last year's team could have finished 9-7. I think this team is better and should be 8-8 or 9-7.

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[quote=saden1;931857]Our defense has major holes in the defensive backfield and that Jim Haslett is a POS coordinator. If I could fire him right now I really would.[/quote]

Sometimes we feel the same way about your posts.


Back to the game that we should have won...that was the ugliest 57-yard FG ever but I give Gould credit. I don't think I've seen a line drive FG made from that far. I wish one of our two kickers had that leg.

The RT position is really showing itself to be a problem. Polumbus got abused by Israel Idonje. I'm not worried about Griffin's fumble, he slipped on the field and it was very close to being an incomplete pass because his arm was a split second away from going forward.

Banks...doing it again. Another preseason TD that might convince coaches to keep him. One more good return game and I think he'll make it, even though I've been saying all along he wouldn't.

Bears D looked VERY good. I was impressed. I also think Cutler to Marshall is going to be very dangerous this season...they could be pushing Green Bay for the division.

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Here are my game notes:


-Cedric Griffin beat deep by Marshall playing Cover 1 or 3 w/ D.Hall playing FS
- " beat inside on skinny post/slant in the RZ by everyone loves a Jeffery

- Morris nice vision, cutback, and running through contact early +++

- Gettis beat in pass pro on Griff 1st drop back -1
- 2nd series Monty pushed back -1

- 3rd series FUMBLE!
Morris should have checked his blitz pick-up block before going out on his route -1
Davis matched up 1 v 1 w/ Idoneje (sp?) and lost -1
Cooley probably should have at least chipped if not doubled down on Idoneje -1
Griff probably could have audibled the protection to account for #21 blitz from the (L) edge -.5
He's gotta hold on to the ball -1

-Riley juked in the hole by Bush for TD

Last play 1st qtr SACK
- Can Davis get some love? 1 on 1 Peppers holds his own +1
- Gettis & Polumbus beat in pass pro -1,-1, sack

o Where is Madieu? later...
Several solid tackles, a couple 'must' tackles to prevent huge play/TD (when Wilson -1 got beat by Benntt) ++

2nd QTR

- Monty pushed backed again-1
4:50 Gettis stood up -1

BANKS!

Cousins Got into a rhythm, had good pass protection, had open targets, showed good velocity and ball location

2nd Unit
1st serries
OL surges for Tristan Davis w/ nice cutback +1
Paulen +1 nice block no help

2nd series
-LeRib -1 missed 2nd level block on LB
Cook pushed back -1
Compton +1 nice block on the edge

PA Robinson +1 toasts DB in about 5 strides (impressive) ball underthrown -1

Niles comes off double team too early -1, Compton blocks no one -1
Paulsen blocks DE with no help +1
LeRib bull rushed and pushed back by DT -1

- Gettis doesn't get to 2nd level LB -1
Compton beat by McCellan -1
Smith +1
Gettis -1 on ground doesn't make block
Moll -1 missed 2nd level block
Cook good double +1 missed 2nd level block -.5

Tristan Davis needs to stop dancing and get north-south -1

Crawford nice change of direction to drive on pass and break it up/almost pick +1

Bailey 1st run
LeRib good speed to pull around the edge and lead way to reach 2nd level backers +1

Robinson +++ good route, good adjustment to catch a high pass, good RAC for TD!

9:05
Gomes -1 whiff, *noticed tendency to dive tackling instead of pop and wrap

Crawdog +1 blitz pressure

Nile Paul vs #76 1 on 1 no help, nice block +1

Doughty +1 forced fumble

Briscoe ++ strong route to get inside and use body to shield DB, nice RAC

Crawford +1 blitz pressure +1

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The first team offense hasn't looked sharp coming out of the gate and gameplan or no gameplan the execution should be much better.
The offensive line has been inconsistent, and regardless of the injuries they must play better.
Griffin certainly hasn't had a lot of passing attempts (14) near league low.
Consequently I don't feel like Griffin has found a good rhythm in any of the preseason games thus far.
In the Bears game Griffin did not run a lot of our base offense, unless our base offense is going to be 3 TE 1 WR.

I don't want to see the 'new' wrinkles on the offense read option etc.
But, I do want to see our base offense executed at a much higher level.
I would like to see some offensive line step-up.
I want to see a scheme that accounts for the weaknesses up front that will allow adequate time for Griffin to work the offense and the runningbacks to have lanes.
I want to see Griffin get into a rhytm executing the base offense and give Fred Davis, Garcon, Hankerson and Moss multiple targets.

Then I want the first unit to sit the heck down and watch.

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Lots of good insight and solid comments in this thread IMO. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting a QB controversy either...it's sort of a straw man that homers and hard-line FO apologists create to delegitimize anyone who makes a critical comment.

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The Bears have a hard nosed stout defense. I was under no illusion. I knew RG3 would have to fight it out against a defense like that. For his first time playing against such a great defense, I thought he did well. The passing game lacked with the starters but RG3 did have a decent pass completion percentage. He just needs to learn how to scan the field quickly to locate an open receiver and if there is no one open, he should just take off and outrun the entire defense to the end zone for 6.