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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;890925]Do your sources even know if Peyton would be interested?[/quote]

He is, we're on his short list. He's very very tight with one of the execs here

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[quote=mbedner3420;890939]Hahahaha do you suspect some divine intervention to come into play just so plaxico's prediction comes to fruition?[/quote]

In a nut shell, yes that's what it would take.

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Breesus is just playing negotiation hardball. He's not going anywhere.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;890943]He is, we're on his short list. He's very very tight with one of the execs here[/QUOTE]

Ntm we have as good of a coach as any team in the league..

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[quote=SmootSmack;890943]He is, we're on his short list. He's very very tight with one of the execs here[/quote]

no S*h#?

Man, I want that guy...


I feel guilty at times because it feels like I can't break a drug habit when I think of signing the big time older FA. BUT I just tell myself this one is different. Partly because I really believe it and partly because we are damned to get one of these right once. PLUS : MS and BA I am sure have been doing there homework on PM's health and know what a mistake here would do to their careers here in Washington.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;890947]Ntm we have as good of a coach as any team in the league..[/quote]

I see the Dolphins and Chiefs being more attractive options for him. If the tabloids and media spotlight are keeping him away from New York like it's rumored to be then Washington isn't going to be much more attractive. Not that the tabloids are nearly as bad down in DC but the fan bases expectations and media scrutiny can be pretty ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;890949]I see the Dolphins and Chiefs being more attractive options for him. If the tabloids and media spotlight are keeping him away from New York like it's rumored to be then Washington isn't going to be much more attractive. Not that the tabloids are nearly as bad down in DC but the fan bases expectations and media scrutiny can be pretty ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

To me it's us or Miami but I really believe Flynn goes to south beach so honestly it may just be between us and kc. The jets are in a tight money situation as is and not many will try and trade for sorry sanchez

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[quote=Dirtbag59;890949]I see the Dolphins and Chiefs being more attractive options for him. If the tabloids and media spotlight are keeping him away from New York like it's rumored to be then Washington isn't going to be much more attractive. Not that the tabloids are nearly as bad down in [B]DC but the fan bases expectations and media scrutiny can be pretty ridiculous[/B].[/quote]

I think the local media and fan bases in most NFL cities would expect alot from PM. He won't get away from scrutiny if he fails in a new city. This guy is the face of the NFL, and a lead story on ESPN constantly in his playing days ( I am not referring to the current situation ).

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I get the Manning talk.. he's not Brad Johnson, McNabb, etc... but he's at best a few year guy causing us to once again change our offense.... and at worst a one game and done QB... and with the season starting WELL after the draft you don't have the luxury of knowing... so if we can't keep him... we are in the SAME spot next year... either way by the next two years we need to find a FRANCHISE QB. We should only get Manning if we KNOW it means SB. In all of his years, with better teams than us by far, they didn't win the super bowl more than once. Someone explain to me how he would add anything bit 1) a backup QB taking over for him or 2) (the better scenario) he leads us to better records, we have worse draft picks, and he is still gone...

Call me stupid but if we draft a QB first round the next FIVE years we end up with a QB that will be here longer than Peyton...

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I've seen enough tape to know that Cousins isn't close to RG3 in terms of potential impact, but at the same time he wouldn't be a bad plan B. Possibly better then Tannehill.
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[QUOTE=tryfuhl;890955]I get the Manning talk.. he's not Brad Johnson, McNabb, etc... but he's at best a few year guy causing us to once again change our offense.... and at worst a one game and done QB... and with the season starting WELL after the draft you don't have the luxury of knowing... so if we can't keep him... we are in the SAME spot next year... either way by the next two years we need to find a FRANCHISE QB. We should only get Manning if we KNOW it means SB. In all of his years, with better teams than us by far, they didn't win the super bowl more than once. Someone explain to me how he would add anything bit 1) a backup QB taking over for him or 2) (the better scenario) he leads us to better records, we have worse draft picks, and he is still gone...



Call me stupid but if we draft a QB first round the next FIVE years we end up with a QB that will be here longer than Peyton...[/QUOTE]


I agree with you but just to follow what you asked I'm going to call you stupid.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;890962]I've seen enough tape to know that Cousins isn't close to RG3 in terms of potential impact, but at the same time he wouldn't be a bad plan B. Possibly better then Tannehill.

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What are you doing? We need RGIII videos and lots of them!!!!!!!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890966]What are you doing? We need RGIII videos and lots of them!!!!!!!![/quote]

My program crashes when I try to import the TCU game.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;890968]My program crashes when I try to import the TCU game.[/QUOTE]

That's a good thing. All the clouds are aligning nicely.

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This is still a great thread.

I suspect RGIII carries far higher bust potential than most believe him to carry. He's a highly mobile QB from a basic college offensive system and, more importantly IMO, it's unclear if his hearts in the game. Can he eat, sleep and breath for the game 46 weeks each year? Wasn't it just a cpl/few months ago he was considering a law degree and putting pro football on hold? Really? Really?? It's pro friggin football and you wanna be the next Johnny Cochran...what fine chap you are indeed, sir!!!

I hope there isn't a $ limit on PM. Peyton's never struck me as an unreasonable guy, so he'll accept there's "consensus" idea what he's worth in the market. We should beat that number by a few hundred thousand. The real ? is whether Peyton wants to sign here i.e. does he believe this bidding team, right now, gives him the best opportunity to win right now? I'll be ecstatic if he dons the Burgundy and Gold!!!

I'll put it on a t-shirt: [I]Peyton Manning: We're not ****in around anymore!!!
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When has RG3's heart become a question? I'd like him to explain Baylor's offense because by his own admission it's not the simplicity everyone thinks it is. Blane Gabbert came from a spread as well and people loved him last year. Sure everyone carries a bust factor but everyone does.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890973]When has RG3's heart become a question? I'd like him to explain Baylor's offense because by his own admission it's not the simplicity everyone thinks it is. Blane Gabbert came from a spread as well and people loved him last year. Sure everyone carries a bust factor but everyone does.[/quote]

Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;890974]Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.



Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.[/QUOTE]

And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890976]And the fact that we could get one by giving up what would be in value: Laron Landry (1st round) Roger Crawford (2nd round) Leonard Hankerson (3rd round) and Roy Helu (4th round) is amazing.[/quote]

Why would we trade those guys. They gave us FIVE WHOLE WINS last year.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;890974]Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.[/quote]


I agree, a guy with this ability and mindset doesnt come around much and he is within our reach! we need to trade up for him and i hope we do sooner or later to give me peace of mind. When do you think it will happen if it does?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;890977]Why would we trade those guys. They gave us FIVE WHOLE WINS last year.[/QUOTE]



Totally lost my mind, next years class will be better. My 10th grade Calculus teacher used to say that everyday. I'm sure George Feeny from Boy Meets World said it too.

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[QUOTE=Bubba305-ST21-;890978]I agree, a guy with this ability and mindset doesnt come around much and he is within our reach! we need to trade up for him and i hope we do sooner or later to give me peace of mind. When do you think it will happen if it does?[/QUOTE]

Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890981]Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.[/quote]

i hope so, keep that screensaver up bro

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It's not coming down I promise. I think in the end we give up a 1st, 2nd, and 4th this year and a 1st next year.

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At this juncture, I wouldn't be surprised if Grossman isn't re-signed. The guy just turns the ball over entirely too much. The coaches still like Beck, but no matter how much Beck talks about believing in himself, he's proven that he can't cut it in the NFL. No even Heath Shuler was ever 0-8 as a starter. No one is talking about Jonathan Crompton. I saw highlights of him playing for the Tennessee Volunteers. He was good and has potential. The one thing that Crompton has going his way is that he's had time to grow into Kyle Shanahan's playbook. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends of the back up QB when the regular season begins.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890981]Convential wisdom and common sense says draft day but I have a feeling before the end of March.[/quote]

I think they get a handshake deal and make the trade official the night before the draft but actually making it official this early? You have to know on April 26th that RGIII is healthy. Unless of course they make some sort of provision that says if RGIII suffers a major injury before draft day then the trade becomes void but I don't think thats ever happened.

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I agree, I just wouldn't be surprised if the deal happened before the draft.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;890983]It's not coming down I promise. I think in the end we give up a 1st, 2nd, and 4th this year and a 1st next year.[/quote]

im so down with that. well worth it in my eyes from what i think rg3 is worth. i believe there will be a handshake deal too just not sure when and if/when there is do you think it will be public or behind the scenes?

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Probably behind the scenes

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[quote=Dirtbag59;890974]Here's the thing though about RG3 compared to the QB's we've been looking at in the draft the last few years. This is not only the first one where 90%+ is willing to trade up to get him, but probably the first QB ever where people are on board with the possibility of giving up multiple first to get him. Nothing remotely close to that happened with Sanchez, Bradford, or Gabbert. Heck people would have flipped if we gave up a second round pick to move up for Gabbert last year.

Either way RGIII is not your average prospect. I'm looking at the drafts over the past decade and I don't think I can find one besides this year where he wouldn't have been the number 1 QB off the board. To think that there are two prospects in the same draft like Luck and RG3, it's amazing.

I mean think about these QB's on draft day

2011 - Cam Newton
2010 - Sam Bradford
2009 - Matt Stafford
2008 - Matt Ryan
2007 - JaWalrus Russell
2006 - Vince Young
2005 - Alex Smith
2004 - Eli Manning
2003 - Carson Palmer
2002 - David Carr
2001 - Michael Vick
2000 - Chad Pennington
1999 - Tim Couch
1998 - Peyton Manning

We have to go back 8 years to find a better draft day prospect then Robert Griffin. Then you have to go back another 6 years (both guys are named Manning). Take that wait till next year crowd.[/quote]
Look at your list you are also showing that there is a 50/50 chance this won't work .Out of your list there are only 3 Super bowl QB's on the list (I don't count Carr)

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[quote=SmootSmack;890881]I think they have a take it or leave it offer ready for Manning. Which I hear may be acceptable to him. Don't know what the offer is, or what other teams might be thinking.

As for Griffin, everyone talks about us getting a great deal bc Fisher and Shanahan are good friends. I say so what. There are great friends all around the league. But for shots and giggles [B]let's go with that and say they're conspiring to drive up the price Cleveland has to pay[/B].

Really all depends on Manning and Flynn I think[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing.

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I want Manning, Griffin, and VJAX! Talk about reloading lol. That would be a football dream come true, one which is highly probable of materializing.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;890993]I was thinking the same thing.[/quote]

I dont know if thats the case but there is no reason to strike any kind of deal now. Only a sucker would make a bid before free agency begins and some teams solve their QB problems via free agency. Shanny is no sucker.

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[quote=NM Redskin;890936]Anyone know what the franchise tag would net him?[/quote]

If tagged this year Brees would get 16 mil and change. If it is true he wants 25 mil a year it would actually be prudent for the Saints to franchise him the next three years at 120% of the previous year's salary. Instead of 23-25 mil per year the Saints could guarantee they would have him at 16, 18 and 20 mil and change the next three years. At which time he would be 36 and most likely headed for a decline in his playing ability.

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[quote=Giantone;890991]Look at your list you are also showing that there is a 50/50 chance this won't work .Out of your list there are only 3 Super bowl QB's on the list (I don't count Carr)[/quote]


I don't think going or winning a SB necessarily makes you a great or bad QB there are to many other variables in the formula to sole say the team made or didn't make the SB becasue of it's QB play.

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[quote=irish;890996]I dont know if thats the case but there is no reason to strike any kind of deal now. [B]Only a sucker would make a bid before free agency begins and some teams solve their QB problems via free agency.[/B] [B]Shanny is no sucker[/B].[/quote]
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When is Peyton Mannings bonus due?
Monday?

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Thursday

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Orton/Griffin

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[quote=SmootSmack;890864]I'm increasingly getting the impression that what I heard the first few months of all this is the real story re: our interest in RG3. It maybe it's that I got burned at the very last minute by a usually extremely reliable source re: Gabbert that I'm now hesitant[/quote]

Who's to say that intel was wrong? Three of the ES insiders had made the exact same claim you did last year. Maybe they just got a offer the couldn't refuse and decided the extra players were worth more than what they had Gabbert rated as. Either that or they are putting info out there for the sole purpose of throwing people off.