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[quote=GTripp0012;854285]Agree. The decision to get rid of a washed up player like Artis Hicks is not what is ailing this team right now.[/quote]

Keeping a million WRs at the expense of good O-line depth is certainly hurting us. I don't care who is throwing the ball or who is catching it, we can't run the ball, and we have no time to throw (although from what I hear a few of those sacks were on Beck, not the line).

The defense is going backwards, the offense was never there to begin with, and we can't run the ball or stop the run. Barring a big turnaround, we may only win 1 or 2 more games. At this point I'm not even confident in the Miami game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854113]Not buying the injures excuse. Every team has them and the better teams/organizations overcome them. The Eagles had O-line issues and they overcame them. Yesterday I saw a team that was outcoached. If your o-line is having trouble blocking a below average Bills d-line then make adjustments. Leave in more blockers, run some 3 step drops, run a screen or two, roll the pocket, run some quick hitting run plays...we did none of this yesterday!!!!! No adjustments!!!!!!!! You know where I'm going with this. Kyle needs to go. Yeah he can run an offense when everything is perfect for him. Most NFL OC's can. But what makes a really good OC is when a guy see's what he has and works a game plan or a system around that. See Jim Harbaugh, Chan Gailey and whoever the OC is for Carolina. I mean Jim Harbaugh is throwing passes to his O-linemen yesterday. Those guys can coach offense. Kyle can not, or can't when the chips are down. Oh yeah...Chad Rinehart is a starter on the Bills o-line! Ouch![/quote]


Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.

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[quote=GMScud;854314]Keeping a million WRs at the expense of good O-line depth is certainly hurting us. I don't care who is throwing the ball or who is catching it, we can't run the ball, and we have no time to throw (although from what I hear a few of those sacks were on Beck, not the line).

The defense is going backwards, the offense was never there to begin with, and we can't run the ball or stop the run. Barring a big turnaround, we may only win 1 or 2 more games. At this point I'm not even confident in the Miami game.[/quote]No. We're not going to be favored the rest of the season. My expectation is a 2-7 finish.

I can't think of any good reason why Donte Stallworth is here. I have a hypothesis though. I think he was kept because Shanahan didn't want to develop the reputation as a guy who will sign vets to one year contracts and just cut them at the end of camp.

Which is a pretty good idea. Until Donte Stallworth starts getting end arounds and third down targets. Then its awful.

Moss is injured and Stallworth is still useless.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=GMScud;854314]Keeping a million WRs at the expense of good O-line depth is certainly hurting us. I don't care who is throwing the ball or who is catching it, we can't run the ball, and we have no time to throw (although from what I hear a few of those sacks were on Beck, not the line).

The defense is going backwards, the offense was never there to begin with, and we can't run the ball or stop the run. Barring a big turnaround, we may only win 1 or 2 more games. At this point I'm not even confident in the Miami game.[/quote]

Artis Hicks and Donte Stallworth are essentially the same, except one guy plays a different position from the other. They will provide $0 worth of goods for us or anyone else one year from now. We need guys who have at least have a chance to be a million dollar player for us for multiple years, so we should be allocating our limited roster spots to prospects who[B] have a chance to[/B] give us that, not old coots who do very little.

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[quote=diehard;853841]Keep Allen. Fire the Shanahans and "Has-been" Haslett.[/quote]

I agree totally this team has quit. Gibbs teams did not quit. We need character guys, not yes men. I think the Shannahan's have the two confused. The players they got rid of would not have quit. They would've talked smack after the game but would not have quit.

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[quote=#56fanatic;854318]Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.[/quote]

Ta da!!! Kyle was running Kubiak's offense in Houston. Truth be told that was Kubiak not Kyle. He was an offensive head coach's offensive coordinator. We always crying about players, but then they go to other teams and start. The Shanny's have had 2 off seasons and made no progress. They too busy bullying players instead of developing them.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;854324]Artis Hicks and Donte Stallworth are essentially the same, except one guy plays a different position from the other. They will provide $0 worth of goods for us or anyone else one year from now. We need guys who have at least have a chance to be a million dollar player for us for multiple years, so we should be allocating our limited roster spots to prospects who[B] have a chance to[/B] give us that, not old coots who do very little.[/quote]

While I agree that developing a multitude of young players is important, what we've done with our O-line depth is laughable. We have pretty much zero depth to speak of, and instead opt to carry 8 or 9 receivers. I have no love for Artis Hicks, I was simply using him as an example of some veteran depth along an O-line that can't afford to have Maurice Hurt in the starting lineup.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

Kyle blows. and yes Houston was kubiak. not Kyle

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Unaccustomed as I am to being part of the optimism faction here, let me give this a try...

A large part of the distress that folks here are expressing in completely unambiguous terms comes from the fact that those same folks allowed themselves to harbor [B]unrealistic expectations [/B]in the past. Let me give a few examples:

[B]Jamaal Brown:[/B] When he signed on here, there was euphoria because the Skins got a Pro Bowl caliber tackle to play opposite the #4 pick in the draft at the other tackle and as soon as Brown worked out the kinks from an injury he would resume that level of play and even surpass it. Those two were going to make Redskin fans forget about Lachey and Jacoby as offensive tackles. Excuse me, Jamaal Brown had a good year on a very good team and received more accolades than his play on the field merited; then he got hurt; then the Redskins signed a hurt player with exaggerated press clippings. Today we have folks saying he sucks. Actually, he never returned to the level he had achieved prior to his injury; he does not suck; he is merely average to slightly below average for an OT.

[B]LaRon Landry:[/B] People love his big highlight reel head shots. Trouble is, that is all he has in his game bag. He has NEVER been able to cover a turtle with a mattress blanket; he spends waaay too much time chasing someone who has the ball into the end zone. (Remember DeSean Jackson on Play One of the 59-28 debacle last year...?) He has never been held accountable for giving up big plays as a safety so all he does is continue to do the only thing he knows how to do - - make the highlight reel with a headshot. That is your "safety"; he is the guy who gives up TDs when he makes a mistake; he makes lots of mistakes. But it is the fanbase who has adored him for his big hits who feels the pain because they expect him to actually be an effective safety and he is not. [I][By the way, isn't this Landry's contract year? I think it is. Right now, would you give him a "payday" and a 5-year deal? I would not.][/I]


[B]THE QUARTERBACKS:[/B] When Mike Shanahan was hired fans went overboard on his "offensive genius" credentials. Make no mistake, Mike Shanahan has a good offensive mind, but a large component of his "genius reputation" comes from having Steve Young as his QB in SF and John Elway as his QB in Denver. He did not pick either one; he did not groom either one; he designed plays those guys could execute to beat the other team. He had no QB when he got here; he tried to get one and it did not work; he now has two guys who would need to improve to become journeymen. It isn't their fault they aren't stars; it isn't Mike Shanahan's either. Fans expected waaay too much from day one. By the way, the last true "Franchise QB" the Redskins had was Sonny Jurgensen. Sonny is in his 70s now; nevertheless, if he had six weeks to prepare and get his arm loose, he might be able to match either of the current dudes in one of those QB Skills Contests...


[B]Kyle Shanahan:[/B] He got the OC job in Houston because Gary Kubiak had been Mike Shanahan's OC in Denver since forever and there Kyle had a better-than-average QB and a STUD WR to play with. Fans bought into the Kyle-hype; he had accomplished good things in Houston; he had the "Shanahan genes"; he would work magic. Right now, he is underachieving even considering the limited talent he has to work with here to the point that I am not sure he would be able to get another OC position in the NFL if Dad were to can his butt at the end of this season. [I]BTW, that is one of the best arguments to demonstrate why nepotism is always a bad idea...[/I]

[B]Ryan Torrain:[/B] He never was much of an all-around back. He had two good games and fans gave him a nickname and started predicting 1500-yard seasons for him in the Mike Shanahan running game. Just as offenses work better with Steve Young and John Elway at QB, running games do better with a competent OL. And that leads me to...


[B]The OL:[/B] And this OL is not competent and don't blame the injuries. The OL has stunk here for about 5-7 years and it now has a bunch of young guys playing there who aren't very good instead of a bunch of old guys who aren't very good.


[B]WRs:[/B] When was the last time the Skins had a WR that made other defensive coordinators think about building their game plan to contain him? Gary Clark? Charlie Taylor? Bobby Mitchell? But let one of these current guys go and make two tough catches in a single game and the fans are ready to nominate him for the Pro Bowl. Expectations are waaay out of line.


Yesterday the Redskins wet the bed. The best thing to say about that game was that it was not one of the nationally televised games so it was not seen in sixty or seventy NFL markets. The team performed badly on the field; the game plan was certainly not effective - - that could be due to bad play on the field or bad game planning. The team has lost 3 in a row and has been less than exciting in any of those 3 games.

If this team does not come out with plenty of emotion to start this week's game, then I will hang a lot of responsibility on the coaches for not finding the right buttons to push. Even playing with emotion, this team can lose next weekend; but there MUST be some fire and brimstone on the field for the first couple of series next week. THERE MUST BE!!!

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854343][B]LaRon Landry:[/B] People love his big highlight reel head shots. Trouble is, that is all he has in his game bag. He has NEVER been able to cover a turtle with a mattress blanket; he spends waaay too much time chasing someone who has the ball into the end zone. (Remember DeSean Jackson on Play One of the 59-28 debacle last year...?) [B]He has never been held accountable for giving up big plays as a safety so all he does is continue to do the only thing he knows how to do - - make the highlight reel with a headshot.[/B] That is your "safety"; he is the guy who gives up TDs when he makes a mistake; he makes lots of mistakes. But it is the fanbase who has adored him for his big hits who feels the pain because they expect him to actually be an effective safety and he is not. [I][By the way, isn't this Landry's contract year? I think it is. Right now, would you give him a "payday" and a 5-year deal? I would not.][/I][/quote]

I think Laron Landry can thank D. Hall for getting him off the hook on this one, because very few people criticize Landry for giving up big plays. On a serious note, I think our defensive backs continue to have communication issues, hence the example from yesterday when Fletcher went off on Landry for a blown coverage. I know at the beginning of the season, communication was an issue due to the lack of practice/playing time. But now Haslett needs to figure out how to make that unit work.

Re: Smoot lays the smack down (Skins/Bills) - mattyk edition
 

[quote=#56fanatic;854318]Injuries in our case is HUGE. We haven't put an emphasis on building depth for 10 years, so when starters go down it is a very big problem. As far as playcalling ability, Kyle was trying to roll out but Beck was missing some receivers that were open, tried some quick 3 step drops to get the ball out of his hands, but he was holding the ball or the receivers were not getting open. Having a whole new left side of the line causes issues all over the offense. We couldn't run, we couldn't pass protect so what else is there? Chan Gailey, SF, and Carolina have bonified playmakers on their team. Whether is Fitzpatrick, Fred Jackson, Steve Johnson on the bills, Frank Gore, Edwards, Vernon Davis, Crabtree on SF or Cam newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and STEVE " FREAKING" SMITH, along with greg olson and Shocky. so before you start calling out WHY other teams are better, they have better players. Those teams have used their draft picks over the last 5-7 years to gain those playmakers, we have not!! Lets not call out the coaching staff, they are dealing with what they have on the roster and are making it better. Kyle ran a very impressive offense in Houston for a few years, so I doubt he forgot how to coach.[/quote]

Are you serious? SF's offense was pathetic last year. Harbaugh has come in there and given that offense an identity. He's instilled confidence in that offense! What's our identity?? One freakin run play and run some stupid ass reverses and then throw the ball and not protect your passer??? And I'm 100% calling out the coaching staff cause they got shut out by a 31st ranked defense!!!!! As I said, if your offense sucks then fine, but AT LEAST show me that you're trying! Show me some diversity! Buffalo ran the wildcat so why aren't we? Why didn't we keep feeding Hankerson after he made a nice play? Why do we have one run play? Why do they rotate 50 wr's every week? Why don't we keep in extra blockers? I could go on and on. Kyle sucked shit yesterday and he's sucked for pretty much the entire year. No way to sugar coat it. FIRE YOUR KID MIKE. ENOUGH!!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;854355]Are you serious? SF's offense was pathetic last year. Harbaugh has come in there and given that offense an identity. He's instilled confidence in that offense! What's our identity?? One freakin run play and run some stupid ass reverses and then throw the ball and not protect your passer??? And I'm 100% calling out the coaching staff cause they got shut out by a 31st ranked defense!!!!! As I said, if your offense sucks then fine, but AT LEAST show me that you're trying! Show me some diversity! Buffalo ran the wildcat so why aren't we? Why didn't we keep feeding Hankerson after he made a nice play? Why do we have one run play? Why do they rotate 50 wr's every week? Why don't we keep in extra blockers? I could go on and on. Kyle sucked shit yesterday and he's sucked for pretty much the entire year. No way to sugar coat it. FIRE YOUR KID MIKE. ENOUGH!!!![/quote]

Harbaugh kept his QB instead of wasting a 2nd rounder on a washed up QB from a divisional opponent.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854355]Are you serious? SF's offense was pathetic last year. Harbaugh has come in there and given that offense an identity. He's instilled confidence in that offense![B] What's our identity?? One freakin run play and run some stupid ass reverses and then throw the ball and not protect your passer??? And I'm 100% calling out the coaching staff cause they got shut out by a 31st ranked defense!!!!! As I said, if your offense sucks then fine, but AT LEAST show me that you're trying! Show me some diversity! Buffalo ran the wildcat so why aren't we? Why didn't we keep feeding Hankerson after he made a nice play? Why do we have one run play? Why do they rotate 50 wr's every week? Why don't we keep in extra blockers? I could go on and on. Kyle sucked shit yesterday and he's sucked for pretty much the entire year. No way to sugar coat it[/B]. FIRE YOUR KID MIKE. ENOUGH!!!![/quote]

Yeah pretty much. I don't think you fire Kyle right now, but I think Mike needs to reel him in big time. His playcalling is mind boggling.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854355]Are you serious? SF's offense was pathetic last year. Harbaugh has come in there and given that offense an identity. He's instilled confidence in that offense! What's our identity?? One freakin run play and run some stupid ass reverses and then throw the ball and not protect your passer??? And I'm 100% calling out the coaching staff cause they got shut out by a 31st ranked defense!!!!! As I said, if your offense sucks then fine, but AT LEAST show me that you're trying! Show me some diversity! Buffalo ran the wildcat so why aren't we? Why didn't we keep feeding Hankerson after he made a nice play? Why do we have one run play? Why do they rotate 50 wr's every week? Why don't we keep in extra blockers? I could go on and on. Kyle sucked shit yesterday and he's sucked for pretty much the entire year. No way to sugar coat it. FIRE YOUR KID MIKE. ENOUGH!!!![/quote]

Who did Buffalo run the wildcat with? Brad Smith and Tyler Thigpen? Two converted QBs that can run? Who do you suppose we run the wildcat with? Grossman, a QB who can't run? Or Banks, a non QB who can run? Heck the Panthers ran the option with Cam Newton? How come we never try that?

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Smackdown - unrealistic expectations and the lockout.

I think as fans we all probably wanted to believe that this team would take a big step forward this year. Maybe not big enough to get in the playoffs, surely not big enough to do anything if we made it; but at least a big enough step to look competitive and feel good about what we could accomplish in 2012 after acquiring a few more pieces.

Then came the 3-1 start, and again as fans, naturally a lot of people started "drinking the koolaid" and having visions of taking the division and having a big playoff run...I think I even saw the word Superbowl and Redskins in the same sentence a few times about three weeks ago. :doh:

The big issue to me, is I don't think there is any question that the lockout hurt this team in a bad way. If you look around the league, the teams that are doing well are the teams that did well last year or were starting to put it together towards the end. They had less to work on - more cohesion...Most of the teams that had major personnel moves, scheme changes, and new pieces to plug in are the ones that are struggling. There are a few exceptions, but overall it is what it is. This team needed a full offseason to put it all together and since they didn't get it, they were forced to make the best decisions they could with the players they had, and hope the guys learn on the fly and stay healthy while doing it. Well, good fortune and health lasted about four weeks and that was it. Now you see this team decimated with injuries and the rest of the division getting healthy. This will be a long season if you are expecting to see this team win a lot of games. However, if you are satisfied with seeing [B]progress[/B] despite the youth, inexperience and devestating injuries I think you can still look forward to that...

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[quote=Ruhskins;854359]Harbaugh kept his QB instead of wasting a 2nd rounder on a washed up QB from a divisional opponent.[/quote]

You know what I saw on TV?? Harbaugh went back and looked at every single play that Smith has had over the years and BUILT the offense around his sucessful plays ONLY! He didn't install any of his negative plays. That's coaching! That's being prepared. I don't think SF is going to win a SB with Alex Smith but they've obviously coached him up. Not seeing any of that going on around here.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854359]Harbaugh kept his QB instead of wasting a 2nd rounder on a washed up QB from a divisional opponent.[/quote]

Remarkable how everyone is lauding Harbaugh for sticking with Smith when last year when someone here mentioned that maybe Smith was getting a bad rap, the general response was "He's garbage. He totally sucks!"

That said, credit Harbaugh for above all else not asking Smith to do too much

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[quote=SmootSmack;854365]Who did Buffalo run the wildcat with? Brad Smith and Tyler Thigpen? Two converted QBs that can run? Who do you suppose we run the wildcat with? Grossman, a QB who can't run? Or Banks, a non QB who can run? Heck the Panthers ran the option with Cam Newton? How come we never try that?[/quote]

Yes, Banks. Or let Helu do it. Just try something in order to keep some drives alive, get some 1st downs. We can't score points so time to empty out your sorry ass playbook Kyle.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854367]You know what I saw on TV?? Harbaugh went back and looked at every single play that Smith has had over the years and BUILT the offense around his sucessful plays ONLY! He didn't install any of his negative plays. That's coaching! That's being prepared. I don't think SF is going to win a SB with Alex Smith but they've obviously coached him up. Not seeing any of that going on around here.[/quote]

We seem to have a culture of coaches wanting to fit players into schemes and not trying to develop schemes that will make better use of a player's ability.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854368]Remarkable how everyone is lauding Harbaugh for sticking with Smith when last year when someone here mentioned that maybe Smith was getting a bad rap, the general response was "He's garbage. He totally sucks!"

That said, credit Harbaugh for above all else not asking Smith to do too much[/quote]

I don't remember me saying anything negative about Alex Smith, and I think I have been the only one pointing out that Harbaugh stuck with him (b/c you know how much everyone hates Jason Campbell). I am sure a lot could still go wrong with the 49ers, but I think Harbaugh could have easily done what Shanahan did and try to find his own QB. I don't think we could have been better off with one more year of Jason Campbell, but given how well the team drafted in the second round this year, I am sure they could have done something better with that 2nd rounder than wasting it on McNabb.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;854366]Smackdown - unrealistic expectations and the lockout.

I think as fans we all probably wanted to believe that this team would take a big step forward this year. Maybe not big enough to get in the playoffs, surely not big enough to do anything if we made it; but at least a big enough step to look competitive and feel good about what we could accomplish in 2012 after acquiring a few more pieces.

Then came the 3-1 start, and again as fans, naturally a lot of people started "drinking the koolaid" and having visions of taking the division and having a big playoff run...I think I even saw the word Superbowl and Redskins in the same sentence a few times about three weeks ago. :doh:

The big issue to me, is I don't think there is any question that the lockout hurt this team in a bad way. If you look around the league, the teams that are doing well are the teams that did well last year or were starting to put it together towards the end. They had less to work on - more cohesion...Most of the teams that had major personnel moves, scheme changes, and new pieces to plug in are the ones that are struggling. There are a few exceptions, but overall it is what it is. This team needed a full offseason to put it all together and since they didn't get it, they were forced to make the best decisions they could with the players they had, and hope the guys learn on the fly and stay healthy while doing it. Well, good fortune and health lasted about four weeks and that was it. Now you see this team decimated with injuries and the rest of the division getting healthy. This will be a long season if you are expecting to see this team win a lot of games. However, if you are satisfied with seeing [B]progress[/B] despite the youth, inexperience and devestating injuries I think you can still look forward to that...[/quote]

Sorry Chief but the Shannahans need to be held accountable. They are mean spirited bullies that hold every one else accountable except themselves. Hubris is not a good character quality. In other words, they can dish it, let's see if they can take it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;854368]Remarkable how everyone is lauding Harbaugh for sticking with Smith when last year when someone here mentioned that maybe Smith was getting a bad rap, the general response was "He's garbage. He totally sucks!"

That said, credit Harbaugh for above all else not asking Smith to do too much[/quote]

Smith has been pretty bad his whole career but to be fair he gets a new OC every single year. Yeah they're not asking him to do too much cause they know he's limited, just like our QB's, they're limited... and I wouldn't ask them to do too much.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854371]I don't remember me saying anything negative about Alex Smith, and I think I have been the only one pointing out that Harbaugh stuck with him (b/c you know how much everyone hates Jason Campbell). I am sure a lot could still go wrong with the 49ers, but I think Harbaugh could have easily done what Shanahan did and try to find his own QB. I don't think we could have been better off with one more year of Jason Campbell, but given how well the team drafted in the second round this year, I am sure they could have done something better with that 2nd rounder than wasting it on McNabb.[/quote]

I did say "general response" :)

Jevan Snead is out there. I'm not saying...I'm just saying :)

Seriously though...we need a QB!

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[quote=SmootSmack;854376]I did say "general response" :)

Jevan Snead is out there. I'm not saying...I'm just saying :)

Seriously though...we need a QB![/quote]

I do remember people giving you a lot crap when you talked about Alex Smith though. You need to wear your "I told you so" t-shirt. LOL.

By the way, Chase Daniel just got a bit teary-eyed about your Snead comment. He was hoping you would start the "let's-trade-for-Chase" bandwagon. :headbange

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Jevan Snead is a temporary fix for the rest of the year. Next off-season we add Daniel and Bradford!

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Not sure if this has been posted yet:

"Mike Shanahan had never suffered a shutout loss as an NFL head or assistant coach … until Sunday, when the Buffalo Bills blew his Redskins away to the tune of a 23-0 embarrassment."

Good times...

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;854431]Not sure if this has been posted:vomit::

"Mike Shanahan had never suffered a shutout loss as an NFL head or assistant coach … until Sunday, when the Buffalo Bills blew his Redskins away to the tune of a 23-0 embarrassment."

Good times...[/quote]

Hey but its a rebuilding season, so ther's your excuse :vomit:
Its like when you make an ass out of yourself but you were drunk so its all good.

Same song and dance around here for 20 fn years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;854378]I do remember people giving you a lot crap when you talked about Alex Smith though. You need to wear your "I told you so" t-shirt. LOL.

By the way, Chase Daniel just got a bit teary-eyed about your Snead comment. He was hoping you would start the "let's-trade-for-Chase" bandwagon. :headbange[/quote]The interesting thing about Alex Smith:

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834591/nfl-tom-brady-led-nfl-qbr-2010-season"]2010 TQBR[/URL]: 40.0

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7171974/nfl-week-8-total-qbr-season-leaders"]2011 TQBR[/URL]: 42.7

Alex Smith isn't a radically changed player. What's changed is the quality of his defense and running game, and thusly the 49ers are more ABLE to limit his effect on the game.

This is pretty much the exact same player SS thought could be successful here. But you know what? Look at the next guy on the 2011 below Smith and his rating.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;854432]Hey but its a rebuilding season, so ther's your excuse :vomit:
Its like when you make an ass out of yourself but you were drunk so its all good.

Same song and dance around here for 20 fn years.[/quote]

Actually, there is no excuse. A blocked FG and a voluntary decision to skip the FG at the end of the game? Don't tell me he didn't have the chance to avoid it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;854433]The interesting thing about Alex Smith:

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834591/nfl-tom-brady-led-nfl-qbr-2010-season"]2010 TQBR[/URL]: 40.0

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7171974/nfl-week-8-total-qbr-season-leaders"]2011 TQBR[/URL]: 42.7

Alex Smith isn't a radically changed player. What's changed is the quality of his defense and running game, and thusly the 49ers are more ABLE to limit his effect on the game.

[B]This is pretty much the exact same player SS thought could be successful here. But you know what? Look at the next guy on the 2011 below Smith and his rating.[/B][/quote]

Or the guy above him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;854433]The interesting thing about Alex Smith:

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834591/nfl-tom-brady-led-nfl-qbr-2010-season"]2010 TQBR[/URL]: 40.0

[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7171974/nfl-week-8-total-qbr-season-leaders"]2011 TQBR[/URL]: 42.7

Alex Smith isn't a radically changed player. What's changed is the quality of his defense and running game, and thusly the 49ers are more ABLE to limit his effect on the game.

This is pretty much the exact same player SS thought could be successful here. But you know what? Look at the next guy on the 2011 below Smith and his rating.[/quote]

Who cares about some nerdy stat that ESPN came up with? Let's give the guy some credit. He's thrown 9td's and only 2Int's and is completing 63%. That's winning football. I realize that he's not in an offense where there's a lot of risk but still, Smith deserves some praise for his play in a new offense w/out any mini camps/Ota's.

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[quote=skinsfan69;854439]Who cares about some nerdy stat that ESPN came up with? Let's give the guy some credit. He's thrown 9td's and only 2Int's and is completing 63%. That's winning football. I realize that he's not in an offense where there's a lot of risk but still, Smith deserves some praise for his play in a new offense w/out any mini camps/Ota's.[/quote]

I think the point was that the 49ers have figured out a way to get the most out of a guy that had a history of not being very talented. Unlike our team where they have a scheme and stick to it, no matter how bad the talent in the team is.

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Alex Smith finished 2010 strong, and it's carried over into 2011. But I thought he'd be worth going after because I feel he's proven enough to warrant someone taking a chance on him. Have yet to see that from Beck

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Harbaugh is the reason for Smith's improvement. Having been an NFL QB and coaching him is why he has improved so much. He was a #1 overall pick so he's got some talent.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;854084]Skins didnt want Ponder or gabbert obviously so Kerrigan was a great pick IMO[/quote]

I'm too lazy to go look but was Andy Dalton off the board prior to our second pick Jenkins? I know NT was important and he'll be a beast but I wanted Dalton and still think he would have been perfect for us.

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[quote=SBXVII;854468]I'm too lazy to go look but was Andy Dalton off the board prior to our second pick Jenkins? I know NT was important and he'll be a beast but I wanted Dalton and still think he would have been perfect for us.[/quote] Dalton was picked at #35, we got Jenkins at #41...

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[quote=SmootSmack;854376]I did say "general response" :)

Jevan Snead is out there. I'm not saying...I'm just saying :)

Seriously though...we need a QB![/quote]

Yeah, last week I tried to look into what QB's were available, what QB's who were not drafted that were still available, and if there were any servicable Vet QB's still worth looking at.

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[quote=GMScud;854469]Dalton was picked at #35, we got Jenkins at #41...[/quote]

ok thanks. we probably should have packaged some draft picks some how to move up.

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why not TO?

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I find it funny, when Jason Campbell was behind center, it was always the OL and WR that sucked. Now that Beck is behind the center (with bad OL and mediocre WRs).....it's the QB.


Did any of you watch that game the other day? No run block. No pass block. Nothing. The thing that Beck did wrong was hold onto the ball too long. That said, guy never had time to do much of anything, and even Troy commented about how the WRs weren't getting open. I'm not saying Beck didn't play shitty because he without a doubt did, but he's played decent until Buffalo. I think the coaching staff need to devise something to counter the OL being decimated. (screen passes, 3 step drops, etc)