Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;800327]Here is a question...

Would anyone go for a McNabb for Jimmy Clausen trade?

McNabb to groom Newton, we get Clausen who won't get a real shot with the money Newton is getting?

Anyone?[/quote]

I might be up for that. It's a better trade than a late-round pick. I'm not a great Clausen fan and he had a bad rookie year but some good QB's suck as rookies.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;800327]Here is a question...

Would anyone go for a McNabb for Jimmy Clausen trade?

McNabb to groom Newton, we get Clausen who won't get a real shot with the money Newton is getting?

Anyone?[/quote]

I absolutely would, the Panthers wouldn't

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;800327]Here is a question...

Would anyone go for a McNabb for Jimmy Clausen trade?

McNabb to groom Newton, we get Clausen who won't get a real shot with the money Newton is getting?

Anyone?[/quote]

If after 1 year Carolina has already given up on Clausen, I wouldn't take him

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Hey, I'm not saying give Clausen the starting job... saying he'd be worth a the price of McNabb maybe. We need another QB somewhere regardless. Our only one under contract is over 30, and so is Grossman.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Yeah i wouldn't mind giving a shot to Klausen...

The only thing Carolina had to help that poor kid out was RB's... They had a crapfest Line, and WR's because Smith was hurt all the time.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/shanahan-high-on-john-beck/2011/04/30/AFLX5rSF_blog.html#pagebreak]Shanahan high on John Beck - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/patrick-devlin?id=2495145]National Football League: NFL Draft 2011 - Patrick Devlin[/url]

What about that guy? Didn't know alot about him, but hell.. Throw him in and see what he does?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;800401][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/shanahan-high-on-john-beck/2011/04/30/AFLX5rSF_blog.html#pagebreak]Shanahan high on John Beck - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Whats John Beck and whats the price per gram?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;800404]Whats John Beck and whats the price per gram?[/quote]

Here's a picture of Shanahan high on Beck...

[IMG]http://www.emobilez.com/wallpapers/data/media/296/scarface_tony_montana_cocaine.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;800327]Here is a question...

Would anyone go for a McNabb for Jimmy Clausen trade?

McNabb to groom Newton, we get Clausen who won't get a real shot with the money Newton is getting?

Anyone?[/quote]

McNabb to groom?? Invisible to the human eye, McNabb is now dealing with confidence issues of his own. The past year has produced a sour turn of events for him.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

With the pats having only carried 2 qb's and recently drafting Mallett I wouldn't mind looking at Brian Hoyer if the Pats want to listen to offers

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;800259]He's not bad but I'd rather have Orton. People are seriously underrating Kyle as a qb[/quote]

[url=http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2011/5/1/2147537/nfl-rumor-mill-is-denver-qb-kyle-orton-heading-to-washington-for-dt]NFL Rumor Mill: Is Denver QB Kyle Orton Heading to Washington For DT Albert Haynesworth? - SB Nation Kansas City[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;800458][URL="http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2011/5/1/2147537/nfl-rumor-mill-is-denver-qb-kyle-orton-heading-to-washington-for-dt"]NFL Rumor Mill: Is Denver QB Kyle Orton Heading to Washington For DT Albert Haynesworth? - SB Nation Kansas City[/URL][/quote]

Would love to make that deal

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Mattyk;800459]Would love to make that deal[/quote]

Well...when questioned repeatedly about our QB situation Shanahan has consistently maintained.....he has a plan.

Could this be his plan? The guy he used to cook-up game plans with [without Dan Reeves knowledge] is in charge in Denver......could be a rumor worth keeping an eye on.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;800458][url=http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2011/5/1/2147537/nfl-rumor-mill-is-denver-qb-kyle-orton-heading-to-washington-for-dt]NFL Rumor Mill: Is Denver QB Kyle Orton Heading to Washington For DT Albert Haynesworth? - SB Nation Kansas City[/url][/quote]

This makes sense, as Denver will need a 4-3 DT for their defense.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

No doubt Shanahan has a plan, but I'm not buying the plan is Beck.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Mattyk;800471]No doubt Shanahan has a plan, but I'm not buying the plan is Beck.[/quote]

Beck is a smoke screen....his mention keeps us within the rules since we are engaged in a lockout. Know what I mean?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;800458][url=http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2011/5/1/2147537/nfl-rumor-mill-is-denver-qb-kyle-orton-heading-to-washington-for-dt]NFL Rumor Mill: Is Denver QB Kyle Orton Heading to Washington For DT Albert Haynesworth? - SB Nation Kansas City[/url][/quote]

I'd like to do this deal, with the caveat that we can't re-sign Rex. Can't have the Rex-and-Kyle show again.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;800458][URL="http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-city-chiefs/2011/5/1/2147537/nfl-rumor-mill-is-denver-qb-kyle-orton-heading-to-washington-for-dt"]NFL Rumor Mill: Is Denver QB Kyle Orton Heading to Washington For DT Albert Haynesworth? - SB Nation Kansas City[/URL][/quote]

I really hope this isn't true. Orton is just another journeymen and isn't any better than Grossman. Plus why would Denver move Orton? Are they going to go with Tebow when they already named Orton the starter?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;800488]I really hope this isn't true. Orton is just another journeymen and isn't any better than Grossman. Plus why would Denver move Orton? Are they going to go with Tebow when they already named Orton the starter?[/quote]

All signs point to Tebow in Denver. And Denver has a big need at DT for their 4-3 defense. They prob should've taken Dareus, but I guess they went for the better player in Von Miller.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Orton is definitely better than Grossman. He throws a lot less picks and is a better game manager.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

John Beck is the only QB Shanny can discuss right now. Rex has no contract, he didn't draft a QB & he is not going to discuss any free agent QB's from other teams. I don't believe for a second that beck is the guy. He never even got a start at the end of the season when we were out of it and the team has not been on the practice field since. So theres nothing he could have done to win this new found confidence from the coaching staff. It's nonsense...we will have a new QB once free agency starts.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I trust that the FO has a plan, especially after the way they drafted. If that plan is Beck...then I'll ride, this season.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;800496]I trust that the FO has a plan, especially after the way they drafted. If that plan is Beck...then I'll ride, this season.[/quote]

I would hope that they have a better plan than Beck. I mean if Beck plays lights out during the offseason, then yeah. But I hope they're not just going to hand him the keys to the offense.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

They have to have a plan B or they are resigned to the fact that they are a few years out from having a winning team. For some reason I keep thinking we trade McNadd for Carson Palmer or we trade McNabb to another team and we still pick up Palmer.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=firstdown;800534]They have to have a plan B or they are resigned to the fact that they are a few years out from having a winning team. For some reason I keep thinking we trade McNadd for Carson Palmer or we trade McNabb to another team and we still pick up Palmer.[/quote]

I agree that Palmer is probably the person they want to be the stop gap guy.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Defensewins;800543]I agree that Palmer is probably the person they want to be the stop gap guy.[/quote]

Palmer = picks; no thanks. Unless the Bengals are dumb enough to let Palmer walk. Although they'll be even dumber and insist on keeping him on the team.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;800546]Palmer = picks; no thanks. Unless the Bengals are dumb enough to let Palmer walk. Although they'll be even dumber and insist on keeping him on the team.[/quote]

I think the Bengals have proven over the years that their FO's ego is waaaaaaaay to invested in sticking it to players who demand trades. Palmer will not be dealt.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Even though he is a slight nut job, I would not mind taking a flyer on Vince Young wiht a modest FA contract. Mobile QB's help make the run game better.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;800488]I really hope this isn't true. Orton is just another journeymen and isn't any better than Grossman. Plus why would Denver move Orton? Are they going to go with Tebow when they already named Orton the starter?[/quote]

Stranger things have happened. Don't lose sight of the history element that exists between Shanahan and Elway. Nothing that happens now between Denver and Washington would surprise me. The distance has gotten much shorter.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=celts32;800494]He never even got a start at the end of the season when we were out of it and the team has not been on the practice field since. So theres nothing he could have done to win this new found confidence from the coaching staff. [/quote]

I don't quite agree with this. Just because we were out of it, doesn't mean Beck would have gotten a start. Rex knew the system much better compared to Beck so Shanny isn't going to start a guy he doesn't feel is ready to run the system. Beck having a year under his belt to learn the system from the sideline may in fact be ready to challenge Rex for the starting QB position. That said, I don't think they are just going to "hand the keys" to him without him winning the position over in camp. I do believe they'll try to bring in either Hasslebeck or Young to compete as well.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=celts32;800494]John Beck is the only QB Shanny can discuss right now. Rex has no contract, he didn't draft a QB & he is not going to discuss any free agent QB's from other teams. I don't believe for a second that beck is the guy. He never even got a start at the end of the season when we were out of it and the team has not been on the practice field since. So theres nothing he could have done to win this new found confidence from the coaching staff. It's nonsense...we will have a new QB once free agency starts.[/quote]

But remember that in the final two games The Shanahans were evaluating Beck as to the way he handled the role of being the #2 QB - - meaning the way he stood on the sideline with his helmet close by instead of standing on the sideline with his helmet in the equipment manager's cart.

Who knows, he may have been outstanding in that role and shown that he can take the next step up the ladder.


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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=celts32;800494]John Beck is the only QB Shanny can discuss right now. Rex has no contract, he didn't draft a QB & he is not going to discuss any free agent QB's from other teams. I don't believe for a second that beck is the guy. He never even got a start at the end of the season when we were out of it and the team has not been on the practice field since. So theres nothing he could have done to win this new found confidence from the coaching staff. It's nonsense...we will have a new QB once free agency starts.[/quote]

Shanahan...[Q] “We’ve got a lot of different directions we could go,” Shanahan said. “I can’t share our whole gameplan with you now for obvious reasons, but we do have a plan.” [U] A mountain of information in those two lines. A firm commitment to nothing useful.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/shanahan-high-on-john-beck/2011/04/30/AFLX5rSF_blog.html]Shanahan high on John Beck - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

If Fat Al had problems with Shannys little fitness test, how do you think he is going to fare with a fitness test after an offseason of no mandatory or voluntary workouts, playing less than 20% of defensive snaps the prior year, and in the climate and altitude in Denver. His Fat Ass would be ****in toast. I doubt the Broncos do this, no matter how good the relatioship is between Elway and Shanny.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;800553]I think the Bengals have proven over the years that their FO's ego is waaaaaaaay to invested in sticking it to players who demand trades. Palmer will not be dealt.[/quote]

Which is a shame for their fans, b/c Palmer and Ochocinco could mean 2012 picks as they build their team around the young players they have on offense.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Mechanix544;800585]If Fat Al had problems with Shannys little fitness test, how do you think he is going to fare with a fitness test after an offseason of no mandatory or voluntary workouts, playing less than 20% of defensive snaps the prior year, and in the climate and altitude in Denver. His Fat Ass would be ****in toast. I doubt the Broncos do this, no matter how good the relatioship is between Elway and Shanny.[/quote]

Why should we care about this, it is just an opportunity to unload the guy. The Broncos are in need of a 4-3 DT and he's available. As it's been said, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

As Redskins fans, all should we care is an opportunity to get something in return for this guy, but most importantly, to get him off our team.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

On second thought, the fact that MS is talking beck up so much means that we have another plan in the works.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;800576]But remember that in the final two games The Shanahans were evaluating Beck as to the way he handled the role of being the #2 QB - - meaning the way he stood on the sideline with his helmet close by instead of standing on the sideline with his helmet in the equipment manager's cart.

Who knows, he may have been outstanding in that role and shown that he can take the next step up the ladder.


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I know your kidding to some extent but in a way I will agree with that. He had the #2 role at the end which could have given him different responsibilities during the week for the coaches to evaluate.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;800566]I don't quite agree with this. Just because we were out of it, doesn't mean Beck would have gotten a start. Rex knew the system much better compared to Beck so Shanny isn't going to start a guy he doesn't feel is ready to run the system. Beck having a year under his belt to learn the system from the sideline may in fact be ready to challenge Rex for the starting QB position. That said, I don't think they are just going to "hand the keys" to him without him winning the position over in camp. I do believe they'll try to bring in either Hasslebeck or Young to compete as well.[/quote]

I was not trying to imply that Beck was not in their plans at all. Obviously they like him somewhat if he is still on their roster. I just don't believe he is "plan A" for opening day starter like the TV guys were specualting during the draft. I would imagine that every QB that ends up on their roster will have a chance to compete for the job.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;800488]I really hope this isn't true. Orton is just another journeymen and isn't any better than Grossman. Plus why would Denver move Orton? Are they going to go with Tebow when they already named Orton the starter?[/quote]

There does not appear to be a firm commitment on either player. Sounds more like an open competition.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6456283]Tim Tebow confident, says John Elway, Denver Broncos 'believe in me' - ESPN[/url]