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[quote=Mattyk72;599173]I guess you're just gonna run with that take all year. He's in the same shape he was in while with the Titans, and he's played over 70% of the snaps this year.[/quote]

I don't have a problem w/ Haynesworth. He's over paid and a bit out of shape but he's honestly not where the problem lies. If you think he's in shape then so be it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599317]I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.[/quote]

I have no idea why you are trying to defend the play of the defense?

They are playing like a bunch of clowns probably because they are coached by a clown, but with that amount of talent they should be ashamed of themselves.

They stink.

London Fletcher is the only player who gets a complete free pass because he is and always has been a beast.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599317]I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. [B]And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO.[/B] The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.[/quote]New theory: you are Greg Blache.

Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).

But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599317]I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.[/quote]If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.

Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".

I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.

Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32217-greg-blache-needs-to-held-accountable-2.html#post597944[/URL]

FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31978-interesting-read-on-our-secondary-philosophy.html#post590762[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590657[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590535[/URL]

So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32069-slingin-sammy-33s-good-bad-ugly.html#post593263[/URL]

Re: Greg Blache needs to be held accountable!!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;599340]New theory: you are Greg Blache.

Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).

But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.[/quote]

LOL. No I'm not Greg Blache. I think his defense sucked on Sun. He needs to make adjustments. I never said he did a great job did I? However points is THE MOST IMPORTANT stat in football. Cause how much you score and how much you give up determines if you win or not. And although the defense sucked they gave up 19 points. I expect our offense to score more than that against Det. I expect our offense to score TD's when they have the ball on the 2 YARD LINE. Now I realize Det. played keep away but that's no excuse. Miami played keep away from Indy last week and Indy STILL WON. Explain that to me please???? To me it's still goes back to the same old thing. The defense bends and rarely breaks and the offense can't score TD's. And you can twist it anyway you want with your nerdy stats, but what I'm saying is the truth and that shows up in the MOST IMPORTANT STAT.... points scored vs. points given up.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599397]If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.

Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".

I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.

[B]Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.[/B]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32217-greg-blache-needs-to-held-accountable-2.html#post597944[/URL]

FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31978-interesting-read-on-our-secondary-philosophy.html#post590762[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590657[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590535[/URL]

So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32069-slingin-sammy-33s-good-bad-ugly.html#post593263[/URL][/quote]

Who are they?

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[quote=skinsfan69;599415]Who are they?[/quote]
Read the link.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;599418]Read the link.[/quote]

I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?

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[quote=skinsfan69;599056]Oh ok. I think they all played NFL football and have more knowledge than people around here do. And just cause some of you watch film doesn't mean you know what your talking about, or know the details of the schemes. Everyone just wants to cry about the coaching, which could be better. But the real problem is we just don't have the players. But no one wants to hear that.[/quote]
You think that these announcers and studio guys sit there and break down every game and retain that knowledge throughout the season?

And what makes you the expert on which it is, the players or the coaches? By your theory ex-NFL players would make the best coaches too but we've all seen differently.

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[quote=firstdown;599437]I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?[/quote]I appreciate the kind words. I've played and/or coached for over 20 years after HS. Never played at any college or pro level (just semi-pro, AF team). I've coached at the HS-level.

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[quote=wilsowilso;599324]I have no idea why you are trying to defend the play of the defense?

They are playing like a bunch of clowns probably because they are coached by a clown, but with that amount of talent they should be ashamed of themselves.

They stink.

London Fletcher is the only player who gets a complete free pass because he is and always has been a beast.[/quote]

If you listen what I'm saying then you'd know that I'm really not defending them. My argument is in Sun. game our guys were in position to make plays, they just didn't make them. They lost their one on one battles. And they didn't make them cause I really don't think we have great players. Not in the secondary, not on the line and we've got one LB that's out of position that got exposed in pass coverage. Now even though all that when has our defense given up 28+ points? This year and last year or since Blache has taken over? When ???

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[quote=skinsfan69;599559]If you listen what I'm saying then you'd know that I'm really not defending them. My argument is in Sun. game our guys were in position to make plays, they just didn't make them. They lost their one on one battles. And they didn't make them cause I really don't think we have great players. Not in the secondary, not on the line and we've got one LB that's out of position that got exposed in pass coverage. Now even though all that when has our defense given up 28+ points? This year and last year or since Blache has taken over? When ???[/quote]

The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."

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I've heard on several occasions and Blache has even admitted it. One time he said he made a wrong call leaving D Hall on a island and he made a bad call having the safeties play so far back on that first down Stafford ran for on 3rd and 13. If you tell your players to line up ain certain schemes and or how many people rush and how many people stay in coverage then you can affect a players ability to make a play. When you don't tell your players to press more or bump and run and give the WR a 10 yards cushion. How do you give some one a 10 yard cushion when they need like 7 yards for a first down. That's on the Coach. Now if they miss tackles. Drop interceptions or get burnt. Which has been happening to. That's a little different. But the coach still has to correct those problems also. I dont care if he has them hitting the tackling dummy all practice. You make them correct their mistakes.

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[quote=wilsowilso;599568]The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."[/quote]

We must have been thinking the same thing..lol

Also, check out NFC Playbook as they talk about our [I]defensive[/I] woes. They are making some of the same points we were making here. So if you missed it check it out when it comes on again later on and pay attention.

YOU will also see how the o-line got man handled on that 4 and 1 and also that the kicker was franchised because he is that good. He is 10-10 in kicks over 50 yards.

Re: Greg Blache needs to be held accountable!!
 

[quote=wilsowilso;599568]The cb's and free safety are never ever ever in a position to make a play unless the other team throws a deep ball or an overly agressive intermediate pass. We just freely give away far too much space. It's insane. The other team has coaches who look at our secondary scheme and say to themselves "no problem if you don't want us to throw deep we won't throw deep. You can win that deep battle all day while we pitch and catch shorter routes and move freely up and down the field on your clown shoes scheme."[/quote]

So what would you do? Put Hall, Rogers or Smoot in bump and run against Calvin Johnson? They've already shown that they're not capable of covering or tackleling Mario Manningham. What makes you think they can cover Calvin Johnson??? Especially w/out a pass rush.

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It's nice to see Blache man up today! Hopefully that translates to a bigger defensive effort this weekend. With my boy Doughty on the field, I know someone is going to get hit like Flavor Flav's crackpipe.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;600507][B]It's nice to see Blache man up today! [/B]Hopefully that translates to a bigger defensive effort this weekend. With my boy Doughty on the field, I know someone is going to get hit like Flavor Flav's crackpipe.[/quote]
What did he say?

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"Quite candidly, in 2009, things got bad, somebody's got to go under the bus. Being the leader of this defense, I should be under the bus, and I'll dive under," Blache said. "If somebody won't throw me, I'll dive under. Because going under the bus, you hurt your feelings a little bit. And at worst you might end up with skid marks on both sides of your shorts."

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/blache-dives-under-bus-makes-a.html]Redskins Insider - Blache Dives Under Bus, Makes a Change[/url]

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Blache is a washed up.

It's sad. It's painful how obvious it is. Even he knows it.

He sounds more and more like a person with a screw getting loose.

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:) I applaud Mr. Blache. On Redskins.com. He is making himself accountable and in his words "throwing himself under the bus".

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Seems like our society is more impressed with admitting mistakes than doing right. Stop screwing up(whole team), and man up.

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[quote=Zerohero;600590]Seems like our society is more impressed with admitting mistakes than doing right. Stop screwing up(whole team), and man up.[/quote]

To correct a mistake you must first admit that there is a problem. I don't believe that our defense just went to shit just like that, neither does Blache. The buck stops with him.

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If we make a change at DC this off-season (and I suspect we will) a couple of names that could be available that I think we should look at are John Fox and Jack Del Rio

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I really like J. Del Rio....even if he is one that......cannot be named.

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Kudo to Blache. Now let's see if he follows through on Sunday. If he does, this will be a nice solid win against the Bucs. Aggressive playcalling on D is exactly what we need.

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Blache_Plans_a_More_Aggressive_Scheme_64980.jsp"]News & Notes: Blache Planning More Aggressive Calls[/URL]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;600627]Kudo to Blache. Now let's see if he follows through on Sunday. If he does, this will be a nice solid win against the Bucs. Aggressive playcalling on D is exactly what we need.

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Blache_Plans_a_More_Aggressive_Scheme_64980.jsp"]News & Notes: Blache Planning More Aggressive Calls[/URL][/quote]

One week too late. Better to get aggressive with the pocket passer last week vs. the guy who is pretty much only good at running this week. This dude is likely to run half the time he drops back. They better contain.

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Might as well lock this thread also since we have enough threads bashing DS and the coaching staff. ;)

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At least his ability with metaphors can keep him from being completely valueless in the interim.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;600627]Kudo to Blache. Now let's see if he follows through on Sunday. If he does, this will be a nice solid win against the Bucs. Aggressive playcalling on D is exactly what we need.

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/News___Notes__Blache_Plans_a_More_Aggressive_Scheme_64980.jsp"]News & Notes: Blache Planning More Aggressive Calls[/URL][/quote]

My God that is awful picture...Blache looks like some dude who wandered out of a rest home and promptly messed himself.

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[quote=44Deezel;600634]One week too late. Better to get aggressive with the pocket passer last week vs. the guy who is pretty much only good at running this week. This dude is likely to run half the time he drops back. They better contain.[/quote]

Yeah. I bet you put Campbell Vick Leftwich and Garrad in the same category. Anyways.

Yeah he is going to run half of the time. :doh:

He holds the [B]NCAA record in passing efficiency[/B]. So to assume he is only going to run makes you seem real ignorant. The thing that will help us most is them firing their OC when they did and him being young and inexperienced. But so was Stafford. I'm more impressed with Johnson because he can throw and can run [I]when necessary[/I]. Lets just hope he doesn't have a coming out party this game - which I seriously doubt he will.

Here is the Scout Guys scouting report..

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITaJVOX0BQ"]YouTube - Draftguys TV: Profile - Josh Johnson - QB[/ame]


This doesn't necessarily mean he will be a good pro. But he has the skills. Whether he is coached up anf if his accoldaes will transfer to NFL style play who knows.

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[quote=SBXVII;600642]Might as well lock this thread also since we have enough threads bashing DS and the coaching staff. ;)[/quote]

How about you just stick to posting and let the mods do their jobs without the snide comments and wink winks. Ok?