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Putting Campbell in Flacco's spot, Campbell would have taken the Ravens to the Superbowl. Flacco who was 13 of 30 in the Championship game w/ 2 INT's and No TD's.

:yeahright

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JC couldnt even get us to the PLAYOFFS. but a backup did. Now he can take another team to the SB.. this is too much

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[quote=Nflnick11;566208]i think you need to wake up and stop dreaming and start seeing reality there Ruhski, lets face it im the realistic person, your the optimistic person...Your one of those people that think "Jasons only been in the offense for one year and has changed coordinators for 9 years or whatever, He'll do great this year cause he's in year two of zorns offense" Ya let me tell you whats gonna happen, the same stuff from last year, you think drew brees going from san diegos offense to new orleans he was saying we'll im switching offenses so im gonna take a few steps back this year cause im switching offenses, you think roethlisberger said that when whisenhunt left, how bout matt ryan going from college to the atlanta, how bout flacco going from Division 2 to the starting QB of the Ravens, Eli switched coordinators midway through 06 and still made the playoffs, and one the super bowl the next year.....i could go on and on..
do you see now why i dont like campbell?!? And you say i need to consider my team, I've been with this team from Kent cook to Snyder, the thing that needs to change the most is snyder but that isn't gonna happen and yes ive wished for even worse than an injury on him, but the next thing that needs to change is the QB every team starts and ends with the QB and Jasons our hole in the dam that i dont see closing up any time soon....now as for me wishing for an injury on him, I mean sure thats bad (i wish for tom brady to get injured every year and see what thats done for me other than last year), but a few things, i only wish he gets hurt just to miss half a game, not something season ending, another thing is that this is all speculation you all are freaking out thinking that jasons actually gonna get injured or something....now why do i want him to get quickly hurt...because i want to see what Colt can do against a first team D with a first team Offense, and i don't think zorn has the balls to take jason out of a game (regular or preseason) to put colt in cause he's already disrespected campbell by wanting other QB's and he's already told him that he'll be our starter entering 09, if he were to take him out and put in colt expect jason to get pissed, and what if colt werent all that great, then our QB situation would be sooo F'ed up cause of what zorn just pulled, and then i'll finally shut up about colt seeing for myself that he wasn't that great after all..but back to colt in a game, so ya if jason where to get hurt then zorn would HAVE to put colt in or atleast that would be his perfect time to put him in instead of todd collins, assuming and hoping of course that he beats out todd, which i think he will, because he seems much more suited for the WCO than todd does...again this is just speculation..im still one of the biggest redskin fans here[/quote]

I just saw this response, and well you can read the several posts I've written here refuting your arguments (actually they are more like biased opinions) with those "crazy" facts that you don't seem to care much. If you have nothing positive to say about this team's starting QB then don't bother coming here, since most people tend to make fair and somewhat educated arguments. You put yourself on some sort of pedestal about knowing football and the best you can come up with is little story lines from previous seasons and say things like "i know what's going to happen next year"?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566267]Putting Campbell in Flacco's spot, Campbell would have taken the Ravens to the Superbowl. Flacco who was 13 of 30 in the Championship game w/ 2 INT's and No TD's.

:yeahright[/quote]

Man, it is sooo difficult to use that quote button. :yeahright

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FYI JC was 24-43 vs Pitt with 0 tds and 2 ints

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Man, Matty's eyes are going to bleed when he sees all of this back and forth QB argument. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;566270]Man, it is sooo difficult to use that quote button. :yeahright[/quote]

well its not that its hard..its redundent IMO. if you are talkin with 3 ppl and they say something you are not going to point at that person and repeat what he said and then say your piece... ppl who can keep up dont need the quote feature.. TRY HARDER

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566275]well its not that its hard..its redundent IMO. if you are talkin with 3 ppl and they say something you are not going to point at that person and repeat what he said and then say your piece... ppl who can keep up dont need the quote feature.. TRY HARDER[/quote]

Wow, he can learn! Good for you.

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i see now we go to insults..chatroom tough guy

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[quote=JoeRedskin;566260]Wow. Between nick and dbuch, I am having flashbacks to offiss and his man crush on Patrick Ramsey. As with offiss, confronted with stats they respond "those aren't the right stats" but site none of their own. Confronted with the opinions of coaches and analysts, they say "those aren't the right coaches and analysts".

As for being a lazy typer, nick, what is eminently clear, is that you are a lazy thinker.



As to receivers, Derrick Mason would contest that remark - his stats are remarkably similar to Santana's. Additionally, the Ravens top 3 runners had over 2,000 yards (Rice, McGahee and McClain - each getting significant time as a starter). Portis and Betts (the only two runners with over 200 yards for the Skins) had just under 1700. The Ravens defense had 5 TD's off of interception returns. The Skins had none. The Ravens defense had one defensive fumble recovery for a TD. The Skins had none. The Ravens had two Safeties, tthe Redskins had none. The Ravens allowed 244 points, The Skins 293. The Ravens had [B]20 rushing TD's, the Skins had 12[/B]. Flacco was sacked 33 times, Campbell 38 (oh, and Campbell gained 250 yards to Flacco's 180).

Putting Campbell in Flacco's spot, Campbell would have taken the Ravens to the Superbowl. Flacco who was 13 of 30 in the Championship game w/ 2 INT's and No TD's.

The team carried Flacco, not vice versa.



Collins has been in the league 14 years, played for 5 teams and almost washed out twice. He better be able to step in and play at this point. Given his stats last year, if he is a great QB then so is Campbell. Again, the Titans top 2 runners had over 2,000 yards - Portis and Betts just under 1700. The Titans defense had 3 Defensive TD's. The Skins had none. The Titans allowed 234 points, The Skins 293. The Ravens had [B]24 rushing TD's, the Skins had 12[/B]. [B]Collins was sacked 8 times[/B], Campbell 38 (again, Campbell 250 rushing yards, Collins 49).

Again, put Campbell in for Collins, and maybe they beat the Ravens and play Pitt. Collins threw for 281 yards on 42 attempts with no TD's and one Interception.

You then list all the playoff QB's who were not part of Redskinsgirl analysis b/c they had much better stats than JC last year. Except of course for Delhomme, any consideration of his stats would require consistency of thought on your part - something you clearly struggle with. (Go look them up, I bet Delhomme succeeded last year b/c he had a strong rushing game and a stingy opportunistic defense).

Redskinsgirl's comparison was limited to players whose stats were comparable to JC's yet whose teams still made it the playoffs. To counter it, you simply ignored the question asked to come up with an answer you liked. No rationale, no stats - just subjective arguments that can be made by anyone and prove nothing. You're worse than a lazy thinker... you're just obtuse!

You follow with this bit of rhetorical legerdermain:



Many of the QB's in the playoffs [I]were[/I] better than JC last year. Flacco, Collins, and Delhomme were not. Rather, and in answer to your question, JC [I]WAS[/I] like them. He just didn't have a rushing game that provided over 2000 yards, a spare 6 or 10 TD's, or a defense that allowed fewer points and scored points on its own.

Then you close with this completely unsupported remark that is proved false by every word you utter.



I take it back - you're right. I (and lotus and redskingirl) don't know football like you. We actually understand it. You on the other hand are just bag of wind with an opinion.[/quote]

One thing I'll say about Flacco is that he isn't afraid to throw to receivers when they're "covered" (and he seems to go downfield on every pass play). There has been a lot of criticism that the skins receivers can't get open, but open is a relative term in the NFL. A few times every game, you'll see receivers who are blanketed, sometimes by 2 defenders, make spectacular catches. I recall one bomb Flacco threw to Clayton in the playoffs, I believe against Tennessee, where the 2 defenders ran into each other and fell down right as the ball got there. Clayton caught it and walked in for the score. I remember saying to myself, Campbell would have never thrown that ball".

Now, you can't always get away with those passes, but good NFL QBs make a few completions like that every game. And I don't want to hear about pass protection. Yes, the pass protection was poor at times, but it wasn't as if he never, ever got time to pass. And if the Skins were smart, they would use all of their running backs like the Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Titans, Dolphins and seemingly every other team in the NFL does these days with a few exceptions. It's nice that Portis was 4th in the NFL in yardage, but some of that has to do with the fact that there are only 10 or so feature backs left.

All that said, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, so I guess it's possible JC could have as well. But does anyone consider Trent Dilfer a good QB? I don't think too many JC "haters" would argue that he's pretty good when everything else around him is perfect, but perfect conditions are the exception, not the rule in the NFL. I think some of us would like to see him display the ability to make things happen when conditions are less than ideal. Hopefully, he will do so this year.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566265]I dont like Eli, i think he is avg at best but the fact is on the biggest stage when his team needed a score he got the job done. and he played very well during the playoff run btw.. i think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit. ugh[/quote]

Dude, you were arguing that the Redskins FO, like you, does not like JC. I pointed out that the same facts that you cited would reveal that the Giants don't want Eli. I didn't ask for your opinion on Eli. You were asked to wake up to the fact that your argument was flawed.

Don't change the argument midstream!

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[quote=Lotus;566280]Dude, you were arguing that the Redskins FO, like you, does not like JC. I pointed out that the same facts that you cited would reveal that the Giants don't want Eli. I didn't ask for your opinion on Eli. You were asked to wake up to the fact that your argument was flawed.

[B]Don't change the argument midstream![/B][/quote]

He and nick have changed the argument so many times, it is ridiculous.

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What does ELI have to do with the SKins???

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I was talkin JC and OUR QB situation..you brought up Eli.

Now whos changin the arguement??

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566268]JC couldnt even get us to the PLAYOFFS. but a backup did. Now he can take another team to the SB.. this is too much[/quote]

Umm JC won 5 games wheres as his back up only won four. So JC did play a role in the skins getting to the playoffs. Btw if the defense would have done their jobs in the Philly and the Dallas game He would have had 7 wins under his belt. Meaning the skins would have been 11-5.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566262]So lets recap, I showed JC's scouting report that said he
1.Holds the ball too long
2.sees half the field, hence misses open wr's
3. Is too quick to checkdown when we need a play
Then, I post a clip from NFL Network where they backed this up with video proof.

Then ppl say Colt and Chase are 'system' Qbs and wont be anygood so i go find a clip from an interview with the offensive assistant where he said they were both doing very well and i get accused of cherry picking for some reason that i still dont understand.

to sum it all up, JC has not been consistant, when we needed him to drive this team for a score rarely did he do so. Other than the Saints game i cant remember one off hand.[/quote]

Dude, you produced a scouting report on JC that was 4 years old. Then you produced a video of Solomon Wilcot's opinion. None of this is very strong evidence for your points.

You were accused of cherry-picking because that is what you did repeatedly. You ignored the evidence against your argument and dug for your own favorite stats to support you. That is cherry-picking.

As for your quotes about Colt and Chase, you got them from an interview on Redskins.com in which there is no way Chris would say anything bad about anyone. He could have thought that Chase was a loser due for a cut soon, but in that venue his words were going to be all flowers and sunshine.

Finally, besides the Saints game, JC drove us for an important score late in the 49ers game. It wasn't his fault that the defense then collapsed.

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[quote=Lotus;566287]Finally, besides the Saints game, JC drove us for an important score late in the 49ers game. It wasn't his fault that the defense then collapsed.[/quote]

But we had a top 4 defense!! Clearly, JC was jinxing them from the sidelines.

Is JC a great QB? No. Will he be? dunno.

I am certain that nothing nick or dbuch has produced proves anything other than that they don't like JC.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566180]The only thing I notice about colt is his side arm release I don't see a quirky motion, and as long as that ball goes from him to the receiver and not a defender then hell, I don't care if he throws the ball under hand or punts it for gods sake...have any of you ever thrown a ball side armed, I have with my son, and I throw a pretty damn good spiral and accurate when I do that[/quote]

Your son? Aren't you like 17 years old or something like that?

Anyway, yeah I throw the ball side armed sometimes. I was a sidearm pitcher in high school and I sometimes applied that to football. It was less strain on my arm, but it didn't make it any less quirky

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[quote=redskinsgirl;566286]Umm JC won 5 games wheres as his back up only won four. So JC did play a role in the skins getting to the playoffs. Btw if the defense would have done their jobs in the Philly and the Dallas game He would have had 7 wins under his belt. Meaning the skins would have been 11-5.[/quote]

WOW 5 games out of 12. AWESOME

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[quote=44Deezel;566279]One thing I'll say about Flacco is that he isn't afraid to throw to receivers when they're "covered" (and he seems to go downfield on every pass play). There has been a lot of criticism that the skins receivers can't get open, but open is a relative term in the NFL. A few times every game, you'll see receivers who are blanketed, sometimes by 2 defenders, make spectacular catches. I recall one bomb Flacco threw to Clayton in the playoffs, I believe against Tennessee, where the 2 defenders ran into each other and fell down right as the ball got there. Clayton caught it and walked in for the score. I remember saying to myself, Campbell would have never thrown that ball".

Now, you can't always get away with those passes, but good NFL QBs make a few completions like that every game. And I don't want to hear about pass protection. Yes, the pass protection was poor at times, but it wasn't as if he never, ever got time to pass. And if the Skins were smart, they would use all of their running backs like the Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Titans, Dolphins and seemingly every other team in the NFL does these days with a few exceptions. It's nice that Portis was 4th in the NFL in yardage, but some of that has to do with the fact that there are only 10 or so feature backs left.

All that said, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, so I guess it's possible JC could have as well. But does anyone consider Trent Dilfer a good QB? I don't think too many JC "haters" would argue that he's pretty good when everything else around him is perfect, but perfect conditions are the exception, not the rule in the NFL. [B] I think some of us would like to see him display the ability to make things happen when conditions are less than ideal. Hopefully, he will do so this year[/B].[/quote]

Good post 44Deezel. I agree with what you're saying. As I stated in another thread, I really hope JC plays with a little more confidence this year and I think he will. At some point he's going to have to make the throw and trust the receiver to make a play on the ball. Of course that would have been hard to do with the way the receivers played last year and it being pounded in his head to go through his progressions quickly and check down when no one is open. I think he'll have more of a feel for it this year. This is his year to prove he can do it and if he can't, then it's time to move on. I wish JC all the best and I think he can handle it, but I'm not married to the guy. I hope he proves a lot of people wrong and I think he has the tools to do so. Am I certain of it? NO. But he certainly doesn't deserve the crap he's being dealt here.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566291]WOW 5 games out of 12. AWESOME[/quote]

I see you're pretty quick with the insults too.

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566278]i see now we go to insults..chatroom tough guy[/quote]

It seems like you're being the chatroom tough guy, good job.

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Defense = 4th in the league
JC = 9 tds in 14 games 4tds in 2 games.

yet you guys blame the defense for us not makin the playoffs.. WOW

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[quote=Ruhskins;566293]I see you're pretty quick with the insults too.



It seems like you're being the chatroom tough guy, good job.[/quote]

Well i learned from you.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566295]Well i learned from you.[/quote]

Well at least you learned to use the quote button.

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566294]Defense = 4th in the league
JC = 9 tds in 14 games 4tds in 2 games.

yet you guys blame the defense for us not makin the playoffs.. WOW[/quote]

Um, I include in my blame...
- Offensive line
- Playcalling
- Non-existing running game (see Offensive line)
- Wide receiver dropping passes
- And in some occasions, the defense

Now, it's not like JC is completely innocent, I just think it is very shallow and ignorant to think that he's the ONLY reason.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566275]well its not that its hard..its redundent IMO. if you are talkin with 3 ppl and they say something you are not going to point at that person and repeat what he said and then say your piece... ppl who can keep up dont need the quote feature.. TRY HARDER[/quote]

We've been through this before, haven't we?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/559580-post47.html[/url]

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I think JC has the tools, but it is a team sport and you need a solid nucleus to work with. We have that with JC, Moss, Cooley, and our man CP, but our line needs have not been seriously addressed since Randy Thomas was acquired. If we have the usual banged up O line by week 5-6 it isn't going to look good for any playoff run in '09. Also, outside of Moss we really do have a big question mark with our WR corp. Devin Thomas is expected to have a breakout year, which will be a godsend, but not sure about these other young guys we have brought aboard.

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who.[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81069cc4/Can-Campbell-get-it-done]NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?[/url]

here it is AGAIN..

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[quote=SmootSmack;566297]We've been through this before, haven't we?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/559580-post47.html[/url][/quote]

Yup. Like I've said before, we need Warpath OTAs. LOL.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566294]Defense = 4th in the league
JC = 9 tds in 14 games 4tds in 2 games.

yet you guys blame the defense for us not makin the playoffs.. WOW[/quote]

Dude, no. You said you could only remember one time last year when JC led us to a win. It was indicated rightly that he led us back in the 49ers game but the defense collapsed. That is all that was said. No one blamed the defense for costing us a playoff berth.

Therefore, rather than pointing fingers, please revise your claims.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566299]who.[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81069cc4/Can-Campbell-get-it-done]NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?[/url]

here it is AGAIN..[/quote]

Dude, posting the link to the video again doesn't diminish the fact that the video contains only Solomon Wilcots' opinion.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566294]Defense = 4th in the league
JC = 9 tds in 14 games 4tds in 2 games.

yet you guys blame the defense for us not makin the playoffs.. WOW[/quote]

But you said it wasn't all about the TDs. Other QBs(who teams went to the playoffs) scored less or about the same amount of TDs , but you said it wasn't all about the TDs. What point are you trying to make? It seems you are just starting to babble now?

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[quote=Lotus;566302]Dude, posting the link to the video again doesn't diminish the fact that the video contains only Solomon Wilcots' opinion.[/quote]

everyone has an opinion. but when you can back it up with video proof.. makes it a little hard to argue.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566305]everyone has an opinion. but when you can back it up with video proof.. makes it a little hard to argue.[/quote]

No. The video provides "proof" of nothing. It only provides Wilcots' opinion. We can always choose to disagree with Wilcots opinion (as I personally often do). This is not a difficult point to understand.

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And the video was already critiqued and its analysis shown as flawed. Wilcott, as you do, cherry picks his facts to support his opinion. For a better critique - go back 5 pages and read it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566299]who.[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81069cc4/Can-Campbell-get-it-done]NFL Videos: Can Campbell get it done?[/url]

here it is AGAIN..[/quote]

Man, whatever happened with this being the site for the "Knowledgeable Fan". :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;566309]Man, whatever happened with this being the site for the "Knowledgeable Fan". :doh:[/quote]


Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired

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[quote=Ruhskins;566246]A little bit more stats...



Great analysis there, you forgot to compare JC to Brady and Payton Manning (if you are looking for an easy argument I guess) :doh:. Anyway, Warner is an old QB and did pretty good throughout the season. It helped that AZ only allowed 28 sacks (tied 11th for the least sacks allowed) and he had two Pro Bowl wideouts (and arguably the best WR in Fitzgerald). Now, if you had thought about it a bit more (but I guess since you don't like stats), you could've made the argument that Warner won without having a running game (ranked at the bottom in the league) and with a crappy defense. However, I'm sure someone would have easily point out that the NFC West wasn't that competitive, allowing AZ to win the division with just one more win that our team, and the fact that AZ's defense came alive and finally complimented the offense during the playoffs.[/quote]

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;565812][B]with Colt and Chase I would hate to see us cut one of them (probably Chase).[/B]

ya think ?????? lol .. Chase is as good as gone .. practice squad at best[/quote]


Don't be so sure. I think the FO would love to see Colt beat out Collins

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566310]Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired[/quote]

Dude, you just can't admit when you are wrong, can you?

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[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. [B]JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/B][/quote]

I'm not saying that you are one, but if all JC-haters would mention this every once in a while, it would have saved me from doing a lot of typing tonite.