Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;543875]LOL. Yeah right. For once chill out w/ all those stats. You simply can't judge Ben R. by QB rating, completion%, yards per attempt and TD Int rate. Ben R. is one of the best playmaking QB's in the NFL who has two rings and got his team to the AFC championship his rookie year. Pretty strong resume for a 5 year player. If I'm putting together a fantasy team Ben's not my first pick, but if I'm starting a real team he'd be pretty high on the list.[/quote]

Rothlisberger does not strike me as an ideal example (for various reasons - he actually did improve if you take out the motorcycle/appendix year; the "he's a winner" "analysis" ignores the tremendous run game and world class defense he has - i.e. he wouldn't be winning Super Bowls for the Redskins, etc - and actually that is exactly what Tripp says if you read his words) but the sort of subjective analysis represented above is the type of thinking that makes a team willing to trade Campbell, two 1sts, and a 3rd for Jay Cutler. While relying on statistics might lead you astray now and again, empirical data will more often than not lead you to better analysis. Hence GTripp brings stronger analysis on a consistent basis than most anyone else on this site.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;543818]Why do you meddle so much?

When are you going to draft some damn linemen?

Will you invite me to watch the next Dallas game from the owner's box?

Could I have one of those cigars you smoke?

How about setting me up with a Redskins cheerleader?

May I call you by your first name?[/quote]

Lmao where was this when I was all blasted last night!?!

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;543875]LOL. Yeah right. For once chill out w/ all those stats. You simply can't judge Ben R. by QB rating, completion%, yards per attempt and TD Int rate. Ben R. is one of the best playmaking QB's in the NFL who has two rings and got his team to the AFC championship his rookie year. Pretty strong resume for a 5 year player. If I'm putting together a fantasy team Ben's not my first pick, but if I'm starting a real team he'd be pretty high on the list.[/quote]Okay, and my team kicks your team's ass. That's pretty simple. You load up with playmakers, and the team I'm building will be actually good. ;)

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;543878]Rothlisberger does not strike me as an ideal example (for various reasons - he actually did improve if you take out the motorcycle/appendix year; the "he's a winner" "analysis" ignores the tremendous run game and world class defense he has - i.e. he wouldn't be winning Super Bowls for the Redskins, etc - and actually that is exactly what Tripp says if you read his words) but the sort of subjective analysis represented above is the type of thinking that makes a team willing to trade Campbell, two 1sts, and a 3rd for Jay Cutler. While relying on statistics might lead you astray now and again, empirical data will more often than not lead you to better analysis. Hence GTripp brings stronger analysis on a consistent basis than most anyone else on this site.[/quote]

Well of course if you put Ben on our team he's not winning SB's. No kidding. But if you put Campbell on Pittsburgh are they winning 2 SB's? I don't think so. Even though Ben had a bad SB in 05 he played his ass off on the road in the playoff games that got them there. And of course what he did in this past SB is what gets you in the Hall of Fame. Bottom line is Ben gets in done when it matters most.

Both Campbell and Cutler had a similar QB rating. However who is the better QB? Cutler hands down.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=GTripp0012;543929]Okay, and my team kicks your team's ass. That's pretty simple. You load up with playmakers, and the team I'm building will be actually good. ;)[/quote]

You're missing my point. What I'm saying is you can't judge SOME players by a stat sheet, and Ben R. is one of those players. He's probably never going to put up stats like Manning, Brady or Brees but he can still be a very effective NFL QB. Do you agree with me? Yes or no?

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Not to take up for our FO but I saw this quote from Vinny today at the pre-draft press conference..

[quote=Vinny Cerrato]To have one pick, that is why, we knew that going in. That is probably why we were a little more active in free agency and stuff the way we did it because you have to look at the whole picture. You can't just be focused on this. Last year we had ten picks and we did nothing in free agency. We added through the draft. There are a lot of different ways of acquiring players so you have to look at the whole thing and evaluate it when you are starting the season, about how you acquire all your different players.[/quote]
It seems like they gauge each offseason with a plan based on what they have to work with. Not to say that's the right way but it seems there is some thought and consideration put into what they do.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;543813]How many [B]World Championships [/B]would Ben Big need to win as the [B]leader[/B] of his team to overcome your statistical requirements for him to qualify as a Franchise QB?

I think you've gotten carried away by statistics. Big Ben is certainly a Franchise QB.[/quote]

Well Big Ben has a contract like a franchise QB, so he must be a Franchise QB

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

Back to the FO, a couple more recent actions - that may say they know what they are doing:

1-signing H. Smith now. I was one of the guys hoping we would get him early on, when his price probably would have been higher. Instead the FO was patient, and apparently gauged the market for him correctly.
2-ditto with our other RFA's (although since none in the league moved that could be more market then FO craftiness)
3-creating an unstable atmosphere around our 13th pick (while I personally hate all the "high drama" I believe the turbulence gives our FO options on draft day that we wouldn't have had if we had just folded our hands and said we will see what comes our way).

on the flip side if we do really draft Sanchez, then disregard all the above and go back to the original question.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;549126]Back to the FO, a couple more recent actions - that may say they know what they are doing:

1-signing H. Smith now. I was one of the guys hoping we would get him early on, when his price probably would have been higher. Instead the FO was patient, and apparently gauged the market for him correctly.
2-ditto with our other RFA's (although since none in the league moved that could be more market then FO craftiness)
3-[B]creating an unstable atmosphere [/B]around our 13th pick (while I personally hate all the "high drama" I believe the turbulence gives our FO options on draft day that we wouldn't have had if we had just folded our hands and said we will see what comes our way).

on the flip side if we do really draft Sanchez, then disregard all the above and go back to the original question.[/quote]

I would certainly agree with you that Snyder is very good at creating an unstable atmosphere. Not just around the 13th pick, but within his own organization. Just look at the unstable atmosphere he created around the starting quarterback position. Sheesh!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;549156]I would certainly agree with you that Snyder is very good at creating an unstable atmosphere. Not just around the 13th pick, but within his own organization. Just look at the unstable atmosphere he created around the starting quarterback position. Sheesh![/quote]

If they were putting up a bluff, it certainly has snowballed, but, until draft day tomorrow, we fans won't really know - if we ever do. There are alot of people crying foul over what the FO has supposedly done, but very little substantiated evidence. You say there is an unstable atmosphere around the qb, but really, there is no "qb controversy", JC is the presumed starter, has been given said assurances, there is no one in camp who is competing with him (and after draft day that will probably still be the case). I could certainly be wrong, but really every shred of this atmosphere is media driven, and the funny thing is that if this was all a draft farce, it won't matter to some fans who will forever remember the 2009 draft as a FO failure - even if we end up getting a strong OL/DE combination or a top 4 OT from the maneuverings.

Re: Somebody please try to convince me that the FO has a plan.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;549181]If they were putting up a bluff, it certainly has snowballed, but, until draft day tomorrow, we fans won't really know - if we ever do. There are alot of people crying foul over what the FO has supposedly done, but very little substantiated evidence. You say there is an unstable atmosphere around the qb, but really, there is no "qb controversy", JC is the presumed starter, has been given said assurances, there is no one in camp who is competing with him (and after draft day that will probably still be the case). I could certainly be wrong, but really every shred of this atmosphere is media driven, and the funny thing is that if this was all a draft farce, it won't matter to some fans who will forever remember the 2009 draft as a FO failure - even if we end up getting a strong OL/DE combination or a top 4 OT from the maneuverings.[/quote]
Even if the Redskins make the Sanchez deal, if they can pick up a late 2nd for Campbell (as Smootsmack heard is a potential deal) and can spin that into a couple of thirds, address OT and DE/LB in the third that would constitute success.

If the Sanchez thing doesn't happen and we get Orapko at #13 (he's sliding) or trade down for additional picks to address OT, DE and LB that would also constitute success.

We've got a bunch of chicken little's on the board these days, buying every nugget the media throws out there as if it's gospel and running with it. The next 72 hours are going to be very interesting and entertaining.

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[quote=Paintrain;549187]We've got a bunch of chicken little's on the board these days, buying every nugget the media throws out there as if it's gospel and running with it. The next 72 hours are going to be very interesting and entertaining.[/quote]

True.

My head is spinning right now with all the scenarios.

The only thing we can do is wait and see how it plays out for real. Because right now even the teams themselves have no idea how things are going to go.