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Guess it took all of 2-3 weeks for DT's stock to bottom out huh?

LOL give me a break.

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[quote=Mattyk72;580295]Guess it took all of 2-3 weeks for DT's stock to bottom out huh?

LOL give me a break.[/quote]I agree it's ridiculous, but only because if you've seen it from my perspective the whole way, it was more along the lines of, "what exactly has this guy done to deserve a shot at the No. 2 WR job."

I think it's ridiculous the way a players stock fluctuates in the pre-season, but that goes both ways.

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[quote=Angry;580289]Wait, wait, wait? How many catches do Cooley, Moss, and ARE have so far after only 2 preseason games? No one is questioning their production. Give it time before you start throwing guys under the bus. Last season Sinorice Moss had more receptions and yards than Santanna in the season opener. Who finished with the better season?[/quote]

Good words we need to remember it's preseason.

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HOLD ON -- One game, one TD against 3rd team scrubs and now we should drop DT for our 7th rounder? Rookies usually struggle with running routes, press coverage, & the speed of the game... I think it'd be hard for him to top Kelly & Thomas, but I do think he has a lot of potential.

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[quote=ethat001;580363]HOLD ON -- One game, one TD against 3rd team scrubs and now we should drop DT for our 7th rounder? Rookies usually struggle with running routes, press coverage, & the speed of the game... I think it'd be hard for him to top Kelly & Thomas, but I do think he has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Its all about what you do on the field and thus far DT has not done much. I expected after hearing all of the raves from camp that this guy would come out and have a nice showing. But yeah it is a business so i dont think it matters how much Marko does, he wont be in the top 3-4 of our wrs because of the money DT is making.

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when we drafted DT i was against it, cause 1 year wonders tend to show poorly in the nfl... and the reason is they come in without enough experience and get put in a situation where they won't get on the field much - so instead of a 2nd or 3rd year playing as many snaps as they feel like in college, they're riding the bench in the nfl.

he might be good, but he wasn't last year, and i'd be shocked if he has more than 400 yards this year, if that. maybe next year, maybe the year after, but that lost college time really tends to take a while to up to where he should be.

look at santana moss or cooley - both did their time at college and played a LOT, with great production over multiple seasons, and have been successful here.

DT could just be a delayed case, he has speed and quickness, but the lack of experience has shown in a lot of mental errors etc thusfar.

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[quote=That Guy;580374]when we drafted DT i was against it, cause 1 year wonders tend to show poorly in the nfl... and the reason is they come in without enough experience and get put in a situation where they won't get on the field much - so instead of a 2nd or 3rd year playing as many snaps as they feel like in college, they're riding the bench in the nfl.

he might be good, but he wasn't last year, and i'd be shocked if he has more than 400 yards this year, if that. maybe next year, maybe the year after, but that lost college time really tends to take a while to up to where he should be.

look at santana moss or cooley - both did their time at college and played a LOT, with great production over multiple seasons, and have been successful here.

DT could just be a delayed case, he has speed and quickness, but the lack of experience has shown in a lot of mental errors etc thusfar.[/quote]That, and this game is just brutal on players with little college experience. It's not that they can't succeed, it's that they get almost no help in their development.

Look at Alex Smith. 16 starts at Utah, showed all of the mental abilities of an NFL quarterback, got drafted first overall, and was starting against us 5 weeks later.

In baseball, a college draftee who gets 500-600 PAs in the minors is "rushed". In football, a top 50 pick who isn't ready to contribute after a month of training camp and four preseason games has taken the first step towards being a bust.

You can draft guys with limited college experience, just don't do it high, or in place of a guy who can actually fill a hole.

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Rookie season stats:
Steve Smith (CAR) - 10 catches, 154 yards
TJ Houshmandzadeh - 21 catches, 228 yards
Devin Hester - 0 catches, 0 yards
Santana Moss - 2 catches, 40 yards
Steve Smith (NYG) - 8 catches, 63 yards
Steve Breaston - 8 catches, 92 yards
Donald Driver - 3 catches, 31 yards
Bernard Berrian - 15 catches, 225 yards

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Malcolm Kelly - 3 catches, 18 yards
Devin Thomas - 15 catches, 120 yards

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Checking out the replay of the Eagles/Jags game on NFL Network...

Seeing Deshean Jackson last year and Jeremy Maclin in this game makes me jealous. It would be so cool to have a nice passing game with contributing young WRs. I really hope it happens for us this year.

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[quote=mlmpetert;580447]Rookie season stats:
Steve Smith (CAR) - 10 catches, 154 yards
TJ Houshmandzadeh - 21 catches, 228 yards
Devin Hester - 0 catches, 0 yards
Santana Moss - 2 catches, 40 yards
Steve Smith (NYG) - 8 catches, 63 yards
Steve Breaston - 8 catches, 92 yards
Donald Driver - 3 catches, 31 yards
Bernard Berrian - 15 catches, 225 yards

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Malcolm Kelly - 3 catches, 18 yards
Devin Thomas - 15 catches, 120 yards[/quote]

and, besides devin, who's not a great example or a great WR, how many of those guys only had one good year of college?

i know TJ and smith and moss all started multiple years and had more than one decent year. MK had 3 years of over 800 yards i believe, BB had 750 his sophmore year, 1300+ the next year, redshirted, and i forget his senoir year stats, but that's 5 years in college football.

breaston started 4 years at michigan right? and had 7 200 yard games there. driver had 2000 yards at alcorn state, was mainly a track + field guy, got drafted in the 7th round and took until his 4th year to be any good (keenan mccardell took 4 years too if i remember correctly).

it'd be better not to have to wait 4 years to see if your draft pick is a total bust, since that's roster spots and money wasted, but that's what it looks like is going to happen with DT.

remember taylor jacobs? one college 1000 yard year, bounced around the league for 5 seasons, career stats: 37 for 384 and 2 tds. 2nd round pick too.

I think DT is a LOT better than that, but he's raw.

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What is quite interesting that if Kelly beats out Thomas for the starting flanker possition then Thomas will automatically fall to No.4. Because he will not start in the slot ahead of ARE .

That said I think Thomas will still see plenty of action and it would be nice to have 5 WR on the roster who are not just filling a uniform .

If Mitchell can latch on at No 5 and contribute something especially in the DREADED red zone then I will be happy ...

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[quote=That Guy;580726]and, besides devin, who's not a great example or a great WR, how many of those guys only had one good year of college?

i know TJ and smith and moss all started multiple years and had more than one decent year. MK had 3 years of over 800 yards i believe, BB had 750 his sophmore year, 1300+ the next year, redshirted, and i forget his senoir year stats, but that's 5 years in college football.

[B]breaston started 4 years at michigan right? and had 7 200 yard games there.[/B] driver had 2000 yards at alcorn state, was mainly a track + field guy, got drafted in the 7th round and took until his 4th year to be any good (keenan mccardell took 4 years too if i remember correctly).

it'd be better not to have to wait 4 years to see if your draft pick is a total bust, since that's roster spots and money wasted, but that's what it looks like is going to happen with DT.

remember taylor jacobs? one college 1000 yard year, bounced around the league for 5 seasons, career stats: 37 for 384 and 2 tds. 2nd round pick too.

I think DT is a LOT better than that, but he's raw.[/quote]

That's the only statement that isn't exactly true. Steve Breaston was mostly a return guy at Michigan and he played there for 3 years. He had seasons of 291, 291, and then 670 receiving yards. His 200 yard games were all purpose when he was killing it on returns. To me, he looked like he'd be another Desmond Howard, but everyone in the league was smart enough not to take him in the first or second round (he went in the 5th) and let him develop his skills as a wide out.

About Devin Thomas, I hope the guy is able to get onto the field and make an impact at some point in his Redskins career. As of now, I don't get why he'd plummet this far, but I guess coaches are seeing something I'm not.

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[quote=GMScud;580715]Checking out the replay of the Eagles/Jags game on NFL Network...

Seeing Deshean Jackson last year and Jeremy Maclin in this game makes me jealous. It would be so cool to have a nice passing game with contributing young WRs. I really hope it happens for us this year.[/quote]

The young guys HAVE to contribute because they have no vets who can. Kevin Curtis is decent...but he's no #1 WR.

We have more depth at WR than they do. Plus Cooley blows away Celek and CP can make it through a season, unlike Westbrook.

Moss/Randel El/Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell are better overall than Jackson/Maclin/Curtis/Avant/Baskett/Brown.

Jackson and Maclin ARE great young WRs, but they had to come in and be the top guys because no one else could. Our young guys will be adding talent on top of an already solid #1/#2. Randel El is great in the slot and he'll get to return there this year. For as bad as he is on punt returns, he has actually been a clutch receiver for us when we need a first down.

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[quote=Buster;580815]The young guys HAVE to contribute because they have no vets who can. Kevin Curtis is decent...but he's no #1 WR.

We have more depth at WR than they do. Plus Cooley blows away Celek and CP can make it through a season, unlike Westbrook.

Moss/Randel El/Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell are better overall than Jackson/Maclin/Curtis/Avant/Baskett/Brown.

Jackson and Maclin ARE great young WRs, but they had to come in and be the top guys because no one else could. Our young guys will be adding talent on top of an already solid #1/#2. Randel El is great in the slot and he'll get to return there this year. For as bad as he is on punt returns, he has actually been a clutch receiver for us when we need a first down.[/quote]

youre out of your mind. the Eagles probably have the 2nd best receiving corps in the NFC (behind the Cards, of course). Santana Moss may be slightly better than Jackson NOW, but 'Tana's career is on the downside now and Jacksons' is on the rise. After the #1 slot though, its not even close. Their #2-5 receivers are better than each of ours.

Mitchell and Kelly have impressed in camp, but lets be honest here - they've impressed us because our expectations are so low because we havent gotten much out of any WR not named Moss in a decade. Yet what we've seen from Mitchell, Kelly and even Thomas in camp and in the preseason thus far doesnt even approach what the Eagles WRs (Minus Maclin) have demonstrated in real games.

Yeah, Maclin could end up being a bust, but theres a far greater chance he'll be better than any one of our 3 young guys. I'd take the Eagles receiving corp over ours in a HEARTBEAT.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;580859]youre out of your mind. the Eagles probably have the 2nd best receiving corps in the NFC (behind the Cards, of course). Santana Moss may be slightly better than Jackson NOW, but 'Tana's career is on the downside now and Jacksons' is on the rise. After the #1 slot though, its not even close. Their #2-5 receivers are better than each of ours.

Mitchell and Kelly have impressed in camp, but lets be honest here - they've impressed us because our expectations are so low because we havent gotten much out of any WR not named Moss in a decade. Yet what we've seen from Mitchell, Kelly and even Thomas in camp and in the preseason thus far doesnt even approach what the Eagles WRs (Minus Maclin) have demonstrated in real games.

Yeah, Maclin could end up being a bust, but theres a far greater chance he'll be better than any one of our 3 young guys. I'd take the Eagles receiving corp over ours in a HEARTBEAT.[/quote]

I was gonna respond to Buster, but you pretty much summed it up. I totally agree. Their receiving corps is signifcantly better than ours, and so is the guy throwing the ball.