Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Paintrain;893924]Lerner isn't like that. He lets his football people do all of the work, he doesnt meddle. Plus if they make the trade up with the Rams, how would they still have a first to draft a RB? All of the reports have been saying that the price starts with two firsts and from Cleveland both picks from this year.[/quote]

Well I suppose, technically, Cleveland could keep that pick and offer a couple of extra future picks in place of that one, but all in all, I'm really doubting the Browns do make that trade up.

My only thing with all this is, if the Redskins don't get Manning (which is probably the likely scenario at this point) and get beat out by the Browns in moving up to #2, then drafting Ryan Tannehill looks more like a consolation prize. I feel OK drafting RT if the 'skins were landing Manning, just because I believe Tannehill is gonna need a year or two before he's truly ready. I'm not sure if I could stomach Orton or another Grossman year.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Paintrain;893924]Lerner isn't like that. He lets his football people do all of the work, he doesnt meddle. Plus if they make the trade up with the Rams, how would they still have a first to draft a RB? All of the reports have been saying that the price starts with two firsts and from Cleveland both picks from this year.[/quote]

Hopefully the Browns will value Richardson a bit more than they value RG3 (I know that sounds a bit crazy).

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=mredskins;893927]I agree if it was posted two post ago on the same page it is annoying.

I think we are all a little edge on here right now. This is probably the biggest off season in the Warpath's history.

[B]And as Redskins fans we are bracing for the worst which would be no PM or RGIII and another year of Rex/Beck[/B].[/quote]

Dear lord help us if that is the case. I think a little part of me will die inside if we go into another season with an average retread qb at the helm, like Kyle Orton or somebody.

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[quote=mooby;893933]Dear lord help us if that is the case. I think a little part of me will die inside if we go into another season with an average retread qb at the helm, like Kyle Orton or somebody.[/quote]

I have felt all along that it's entirely likely that REX is the starting QB week 1, with a drafted QB(not RGIII) sitting behind him for half the season. The percentage is as strong for that to occur as getting Peyton or RGIII and having them start.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Monksdown;893938]I have felt all along that it's entirely likely that REX is the starting QB week 1, with a drafted QB(not RGIII) sitting behind him for half the season. The percentage is as strong for that to occur as getting Peyton or RGIII and having them start.[/quote]

You know, I just dont see how Mike Shanahan could do this and be looked at as performing his duties as HC. You know that your QB situation is TERRIBLE, you MUST address it this year. There is no excuse for him if Rex is the QB day one, and I think he is way too smart to play russian roulette like that. We will have a new QB come April.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Mechanix544;893939]You know, I just dont see how Mike Shanahan could do this and be looked at as performing his duties as HC. You know that your QB situation is TERRIBLE, you MUST address it this year. There is no excuse for him if Rex is the QB day one, and I think he is way too smart to play russian roulette like that. We will have a new QB come April.[/quote]

I think they would consider that addressing the situation. I dont like it, but i've been disappointed by these guys fairly consistently with their QB decisions.

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[quote=Ruhskins;893931]Hopefully the Browns will value Richardson a bit more than they value RG3 (I know that sounds a bit crazy).[/quote]

Not totally crazy. Richardson is a very safe pick (what you want high in the draft), the best player at his position (what you want high in the draft), and fills a need. In terms of BPA, I could see them valuing Richardson more than Griffin.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=mredskins;893908]Why the Browns don't stick with McCoy is kind of odd to me. He has a lot of upside and they could fill a lot of holes by either staying put at 4 or trading down.[/quote]

From an outsiders stand point yes he does have a ton of upside. I will say he was not my choice last year when us fans were talking QB talk. Mine was Dalton. Perhaps the Browns have realized something we don't see, or it's going to take longer for him to develope then they thought? IDK. I get the feeling Holmgren is still in the mind set of win now and McCoy didn't give him that. I feel the same way with the Vikes. Although I think the Vikes are a little more happy with Ponder then the browns are with McCoy. But I could see both teams taking RGIII for their future. RGIII is definitely better then either teams current QB's. ... and for giggles I'd say the same for the Bucks.

When some of us talk of other QB's in this yrs draft the RGIII fans ask "how can you pass up on such a talent, a future franchise QB?" but when other teams are mentioned they come up with every excuse as to why those other teams won't want him. If he is such a catch, such a great player, could solidify a teams QB position for years then why wouldn't the Browns, Vikes and even the Bucks want him? Their QB's have not stepped up to be exceptional yet and who knows if they ever will.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Monksdown;893938]I have felt all along that it's entirely likely that REX is the starting QB week 1, with a drafted QB(not RGIII) sitting behind him for half the season. The percentage is as strong for that to occur as getting Peyton or RGIII and having them start.[/quote]

I have no problem with Rex briefly starting if we know there's a young QB a la RG3 or Tannehill waiting in the wings...not Beck

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[quote=SBXVII;893949]From an outsiders stand point yes he does have a ton of upside. I will say he was not my choice last year when us fans were talking QB talk. Mine was Dalton. Perhaps the Browns have realized something we don't see, or it's going to take longer for him to develope then they thought? IDK. I get the feeling Holmgren is still in the mind set of win now and McCoy didn't give him that. I feel the same way with the Vikes. Although I think the Vikes are a little more happy with Ponder then the browns are with McCoy. But I could see both teams taking RGIII for their future. RGIII is definitely better then either teams current QB's. ... and for giggles I'd say the same for the Bucks.

When some of us talk of other QB's in this yrs draft the RGIII fans ask "how can you pass up on such a talent, a future franchise QB?" but when other teams are mentioned they come up with every excuse as to why those other teams won't want him. If he is such a catch, such a great player, could solidify a teams QB position for years then why wouldn't the Browns, Vikes and even the Bucks want him? Their QB's have not stepped up to be exceptional yet and who knows if they ever will.[/quote]

You know what is nice about SBXVII? He is the only one that uses that avatar so as soon as you see it you can quickly move on to the next post.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;893950]I have no problem with Rex briefly starting if we know there's a young QB a la RG3 or Tannehill waiting in the wings...not Beck[/quote]

Truthfully, I don't want either Grossman or Beck quarterbacking the Redskins. I'm hoping that the Redskins lean against re-signing Grossman and I'm also hoping that Jonathan Crompton outshines Beck in training camp/preseason. They both showed their worthlessness last season. It is time to move on from both of them.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;893950]I have no problem with Rex briefly starting if we know there's a young QB a la RG3 or Tannehill waiting in the wings...not Beck[/quote]

This. Well, semi-this. I'm not a big fan of Orton/Tannehill, but if that was option A and my other option was Rex/Cousins or whomever, I'd take option A.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=SBXVII;893949]From an outsiders stand point yes he does have a ton of upside. I will say he was not my choice last year when us fans were talking QB talk. Mine was Dalton. Perhaps the Browns have realized something we don't see, or it's going to take longer for him to develope then they thought? IDK. I get the feeling Holmgren is still in the mind set of win now and McCoy didn't give him that. I feel the same way with the Vikes. Although I think the Vikes are a little more happy with Ponder then the browns are with McCoy. But I could see both teams taking RGIII for their future. RGIII is definitely better then either teams current QB's. ... and for giggles I'd say the same for the Bucks.

When some of us talk of other QB's in this yrs draft the RGIII fans ask "how can you pass up on such a talent, a future franchise QB?" but when other teams are mentioned they come up with every excuse as to why those other teams won't want him. If he is such a catch, such a great player, could solidify a teams QB position for years then why wouldn't the Browns, Vikes and even the Bucks want him? Their QB's have not stepped up to be exceptional yet and who knows if they ever will.[/quote]

I think the Browns want RG3, but their unwillingness to deal their two draft picks makes me think they may not necessarily want him THAT much.

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

[quote=Paintrain;893924]Lerner isn't like that. He lets his football people do all of the work, he doesnt meddle. Plus if they make the trade up with the Rams, how would they still have a first to draft a RB? All of the reports have been saying that the price starts with two firsts and from Cleveland both picks from this year.[/quote]

OK, if I'm not mistaken we don't have 2 first round picks. The Skins offered (I thought):

2012- 1st, 3rd
2013- 1st, 4th

The Rams want our 2nd round pick to go with the other 2012 picks. The Skins said no thank you because they want to keep the 2nd round pick.

I'm not sure what was asked of the Browns but they balked also. I presumed they made a similar offer and possibly the Rams wanted their 2nd rounder also or their second 1st rounder added to the offer and the Browns said no.

All I'm saying is the Browns could beat our offer by simply offering their first of two first round picks, offer their 2nd round pick, and their 3rd round pick, along with next yrs 1st and 4th. They get RGIII and still have their second first round pick to get a RB which they desperatly need.

Unless I'm mistaken (yet again) and the Browns don't have 2 first round picks?

Re: Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)
 

Its very unfortunate that the Colts released Manning. But everything happens for a reason and I believe he should go to a team that would appreciate him, and not release him. There's speculation of him going to the Miami Dolphins. If he does, I think it would be a great idea for him to do that. It would be a change of environment!