Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

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Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

The way I look at John Beck is like this; either way, the Redskins are in relatively good position and are in position to dow whatever they want.

If John Beck plays poorly, the Redskins probably finish below .500. I don't think they get less than 6 wins just because of the ease of the schedule, but in all likelihood, they end up with another top ten pick, and that will put Mike back in position to draft his quarterback of the future from an altogether stronger quarterback class than there's been before.

If John Beck is able to pilot the offense to an 8-8 season or 9-7, then the Redskins are [i]still[/i] in good position to get their quarterback of the future, and you have a guy who can play for another 2-3 seasons, until the rookie is ready, and maybe another season in the system would mean Beck improves. Then you have two viable quarterback options, which is some much needed long term planning.

And if Beck pulls off a miracle and is a Pro Bowl caliber guy, Mike Shanahan looks like an absolute genius, the Redskins front office is vindicated, and all of us have one less thing to worry about.

It's kind of a win-win-win.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NLC1054;805212]The way I look at John Beck is like this; either way, the Redskins are in relatively good position and are in position to dow whatever they want.

If John Beck plays poorly, the Redskins probably finish below .500. I don't think they get less than 6 wins just because of the ease of the schedule, but in all likelihood, they end up with another top ten pick, and that will put Mike back in position to draft his quarterback of the future from an altogether stronger quarterback class than there's been before.

If John Beck is able to pilot the offense to an 8-8 season or 9-7, then the Redskins are [i]still[/i] in good position to get their quarterback of the future, and you have a guy who can play for another 2-3 seasons, until the rookie is ready, and maybe another season in the system would mean Beck improves. Then you have two viable quarterback options, which is some much needed long term planning.

And if Beck pulls off a miracle and is a Pro Bowl caliber guy, Mike Shanahan looks like an absolute genius, the Redskins front office is vindicated, and all of us have one less thing to worry about.

It's kind of a win-win-win.[/quote]

I agree with you except for the first part:If John Beck fails.
If they choose John Beck as the starter after passing on every QB in the draft, getting rid of McNabb and not bringing in a FA QB and he fails I think the Shanahan's are gonna be on shaky footing and rightfully so.

It means they chose the wrong QB/failed to create a successful environment for a QB 2 years in a row.

It means 2 wasted seasons.

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I don't think Dan Snyder is so quick to fire him though. I think he has the same level of respect for him that he had for Joe Gibbs. So many people think that the Redskins are just going to bomb the season anyway (1-15 to 4-12 season predictions and a top three draft pick abound) I'm not sure the media scrutinty would be that intense.

And it's not a wasted season. We get a bunch of young guys valuable playing time, and I thin despite it all we do improve. I think at least the defense will start to find it's way a little bit more.

To me, starting Beck is like if we drafted Blaine Gabbert and he didn't play well. It's the same level of scrutiny, the same "God the Redskins are stupid mentality" from the media at large. It's really no different than drafting and a rookie. Just Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Mallett would be a flashier name.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NLC1054;805240]I don't think Dan Snyder is so quick to fire him though. I think he has the same level of respect for him that he had for Joe Gibbs. So many people think that the Redskins are just going to bomb the season anyway (1-15 to 4-12 season predictions and a top three draft pick abound) I'm not sure the media scrutinty would be that intense.

And it's not a wasted season. We get a bunch of young guys valuable playing time, and I thin despite it all we do improve. I think at least the defense will start to find it's way a little bit more.

To me, starting Beck is like if we drafted Blaine Gabbert and he didn't play well. It's the same level of scrutiny, the same "God the Redskins are stupid mentality" from the media at large. It's really no different than drafting and a rookie. Just Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Mallett would be a flashier name.[/quote]
It depends on the moves we make via FA.
If we're aggresive in FA and make win now moves but the team fails=non competitive because of poor QB play then for me its a wasted season.

Starting Beck in many ways is better then drafting a rookie QB except that Beck is 30.

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Well yeah, he's thirty, but he's not, like, [i]normal[/i] thirty. Remember, he went on a Mormon mission before coming back to play football at BYU. It's not like he's got a lot of miles on his body; he's essentially been warming the bench since 2008.

And even at age thirty, if he's good, that still gives us a good five years of stability, possibly more. Plenty of time to draft a suitable "he'll be here for 15 years" kind of guy.

And I think when Bruce Allen said the team would be aggressive in free agency, I think he meant that they would be aggressive in filling the holes they didn't fill. Pretty much any moves the Redskins make are going to be reported as "win now" moves, even if they're rebuilding.

I think mainly they go after offensive linemen, a nose tackle, and a corner. Hardly flashy positions, unless they sign Nnamdi, which I don't think they will.

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You guys I reds the wrods but they're so blurry. Howe do I stop the blurry.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NLC1054;805313]And even at age thirty, if he's good, that still gives us a good five years of stability, possibly more. Plenty of time to draft a suitable "he'll be here for 15 years" kind of guy.[/quote]Who wants 5 years of stability if he's not the guy?

[quote]Pretty much any moves the Redskins make are going to be reported as "win now" moves, even if they're rebuilding.[/quote]I don't care how moves are 'reported' if its a win now move its a win now move.
E.g. signing Nnamdi, Cullen Jenkins etc. Good players but both would be win now moves and there is nothing inherently wrong with win now moves coupled with re-building moves IF you actually win now while getting younger.

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Here some throws that stood out to me from the Becks in the Cards preseason game:

@1:13 [B][U][COLOR="DarkOliveGreen"]Arm strength throw[/COLOR][/U][/B], just talking skillset or physical ability not result; He over throws the double covered WR-[B][COLOR="darkolivegreen"]but he uncorks a bomb from the 15 yd line to the opposing 32 yd line about a 63 yard throw in the air [/COLOR][/B]

@ 2:01 Climbs up in the pocket, then rips a 20 yard side arm pass on a line to Austin

@ 4:12 Nimble feet and quick execution on the bootleg, squares his shoulders and makes a good throw on the move to Austin

@ 6:00 Good velocity and accuracy on a quick 3-step slant to Devin Thomas

@ 6:56 From the hash to the sideline (in the air from the 27 yd line to the 44) not a long throw but good velocity

@ 7:11 Good touch on fade down (L) sideline

@ 7:26 [B][COLOR="darkolivegreen"]Best throw of the day I thought-From the 18 yd line quick release/3/4 motin side arm fling on a rope on target to Austin down the hash to the 48; great throw (about a 30 yard throw in the air) [/COLOR][/B]

@ 7:40 ??? WTF Follows up a great throw with a terrible side arm throw off balance and off target

@ 8:00 Half-playaction fires a dart to Banks on the 12 yd square in/dig route

Well that what I saw-what did you guys see
Thoughts?

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Who's that #80? He was dropping everything.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Monkeydad;805383]Who's that #80? He was dropping everything.[/quote]

Shay Hodge. Camp scrub.

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I think a lot of the concerns about Beck's arm strength are unwarranted as is. Matt Schaub doesn't have the biggest arm and he operates that offense incredibly well. If he needs to push it down field he can, but the offense isn't as much about the big play as everyone thinks it is. It's more about precision and execution.

And there's some pretty good throws he made in preseason. He didn't complete the passes, but he showed that he had more than enough arm to make the big throws.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=NLC1054;805406]I think a lot of the concerns about Beck's arm strength are unwarranted as is. Matt Schaub doesn't have the biggest arm and he operates that offense incredibly well. If he needs to push it down field he can, but the offense isn't as much about the big play as everyone thinks it is. It's more about precision and execution.

And there's some pretty good throws he made in preseason. He didn't complete the passes, but he showed that he had more than enough arm to make the big throws.[/quote]

I think the real test will be how he does in the red zone and I personally think that his quick release and anticipation will allow him to be an upgrade over all our previous and current options.

Thats part of the reason average armed QB's make it in the NFL, because once that field is only 20 or 30 yards long that huge arm won't mean anything without a quick release and anticipation, seeing as how every QB in the league can throw a 20 or 30 yard pass.

In reviewing the season I saw way to many red zone attempts come up short. Part of fixing that will be getting more out of the running game but the passing game will also need to play a part in getting points on the board.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I think Beck's lack of arm strength is more pereception then reality.

He had one of the strongest arms at the combine in his draft class as measured by radar gun, throwing the 20 yard comeback.
In reality the evidence kinda points to Beck having a strong arm/very strong arm then hit does to him having a weak arm/average arm.